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The "average person" doesn't have to be concerned about either. That's not really the point.
That's a dodge. The whole point is that because of media focus "random nutter goes on a shooting spree" gets attention massively outsized to the amount of damage they cause, like if you were to combine all of those style of shootings from 1964 through 2021 you'd still have 20x as many people killed in homicides every year than the total killed from those incidents over those 6 decades. Same reason some people are afraid of flying when driving is dramatically more dangerous - sure driving is a lot more dangerous, but it's mundane, it doesn't make the news like a plane crash does, plus a plane crash is big and flashy and involves a bunch of people hurt or killed in a single incident.

Again... not the point. They happen often enough to make active shooter drills a normal part of school life for millions of children.
To go back to the travel analogy, we also have safety instructions before every commercial flight. There are lots of things done for emergency prep that are either theater or for very uncommon scenarios, often even more than we do for more common or more dangerous scenarios (like driving).


Leave the IT guys who use Linux alone NSA.
So, then, following this link will get you tagged by the NSA for surveillance, then? Good to know.
 

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Also, he stopped lots of drone attacks/strikes on Yemen and got the Saudis to back off from bombing Yemen, and it likely played a part in his political attack on MBS.
The Houthis still hate the US because it supported the Saudi war for many many years. They don't care about which president it has atm.

As for "US-led coalition attacking Yemen" - it won't happen. There are countries trying to protect shipping, similar to what they did near Somalia but that is not the same as willingness to start a war in Yemen. There s pretty much zero interest for that globally. There is not going to be a coalition.
 
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These pricks truly have nothing better to do with their lives. Can someone actually track these jackasses and charge them? Make an example. Because it's the same crap over and over again. This woman literally did nothing wrong and was just a face model for a character. While I'm on the subject: Sony do your job and actually protect your employees. I don't care if they're contractors or not. Tell people it's not okay to do the stuff. You claim to be all about "art" and crap, but you just want profits like usual. If you really care about the art, then start protecting the people making your art or contributing to it. You lose no money either way and screw your bottom line. And also those people doing harassing aren't part of your bottom line. You would lose a few of them and miss nothing.
 
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To go back to the travel analogy, we also have safety instructions before every commercial flight.
One might point out that the excellent safety record of flying has a fair bit to do with safety codes and instructions: because when the shit hits the fan, people have an idea what to do. A graphic example is the recent accident in Japan, where the passengers were rapidly evacuated with no casualties. The same applies to fire codes and procedures for large buildings: high casualties are very heavily associated with poor safety, and the fact casualties tend to be modest overall is more a testament to those codes and procedures than a justification for ignoring them.
 
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"Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism..."



Irrespective of his personal political beliefs, Manuel Azana was leader of a political alliance which was, in practice, numerically dominated by socialists and which enacted socialist policy in government.
Also from Wikipedia... Hence, social democracy is not socialism. Or you saying the former Prime Minister of Denmark doesn't know whether they are socialist or not?
Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

Socialist policy and socialist economy are 2 different things. If the US was so hell bent on removing these type of socialists, how do countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, etc exist?

Between 2021 and 2022 rates of both property and violent crimes recorded by the NCVS increased slightly. However, both are still lower than in 2018 and the overall statistical trend remains downwards, as it has been for decades. The only reason this claim makes any sense is because the 2021 rates from property crimes and the 2020 rates for violent crimes were the lowest ever recorded.

The statistical anomaly here is actually that reported crime victimization rates have been unusually low for a couple of years. This is actually a global phenomenon, likely caused by the pandemic.



Because most crimes are not reported. This has been true forever. Reporting is by far the biggest statistical determinant of crime statistics, and as such any increase in crime statistics is overwhelmingly likely to indicate an change in reporting or recording rather than an actual change in the prevalence of crime. There is a toxic incentive for police departments to try and keep crime figures as low as possible when, in fact, low crime statistics are likely to be a sign of poor performance, if not intentional malpractice.



Yeah, there generally are no repercussions for shoplifting. Do you want there to be?



The "average person" doesn't have to be concerned about either. That's not really the point.



Again... not the point. They happen often enough to make active shooter drills a normal part of school life for millions of children.



Yes. That is what infiltration means. Well done.

Hydra is a fictional organization. Fiction is not reality. The threat of real far-right infiltration is not the same as in a fictional story, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Far right sympathizers in the police and military can use their position to do a lot of harm in the here and now. If the guy with a gun who is pulling you over for speeding is a white supremacist, that could make a very big difference to how you are likely to be treated as a member of the public.

Also, for many the ultimate goal is to take over these institutions. A central part of Q-Anon belief, for example, is that when the time comes the military will support Donald Trump and stage a coup against the evil deep state government. Many believed that would happen on January 6th. Again, these are fictional ideas but they reflect real beliefs and ambitions.



Free speech.



Well, part of that is that I've personally been a victim of about half a dozen hate crimes, including violent assaults. I am actually past fear, at this point, because I am sufficiently accustomed to violence that I no longer find the idea frightening. Bear in mind, I live in a relatively safe and tolerant part of the world where the far right does not have particularly widepsread support. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to live somewhere where you genuinely might be afraid to call the police for fear that whoever shows up armed at your door might have the means and desire to kill you.
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There's supposed to be repercussions for shoplifting.

If not the average person, what about the average person in areas of high crime? Do you think they are concerned about right wing crime when 99.99999% of crime isn't caused by the right-wing? I bet they think more about left policies that made crime worse then some non-existent right-wing crime.

The actual risk of being involved (let alone injured or killed) in a school shooting is what? We do fire drills and tornado drills, people aren't living in fear of those.

My point about infiltration is if that's what you're considering to be infiltration (which is fine), then every group has been infiltrated by people from tons of groups. You're acting like this right-wing infiltration is abnormal. Also, left-wing violence was on that study I posted (it was lower than right-wing but nonetheless a thing). I bet there's pedophiles working in places that the other workers don't know they're pedophiles. Your "many" that believe XYZ isn't many but a very very very very few.

I didn't say they can't say far left ideas/opinions, I simply said they exist. And what they want, you'd have to take by force because the vast majority of people don't want that.

What you're describing isn't America. I have a friend that went to school in Gary, Indiana and only him and another classmate once survived a school year without getting shot (amongst their whole class) and guess where none of the potential violence was coming from? The right-wing. People that live in areas of high crime are not concerned about the right-wing.

I'm guessing that you are a white, heterosexual man. You might therefore have very different experiences with the police, and from that different ideas about how dangerous it is for the far right to be in the police than other demographic groups.

Bearing in mind here that a far right policeman isn't necessarily going to go round killing people. He can just rough them up a bit, harass them with "investigtions" and fines for trivial offences, neglect to stop other people victimising them or to properly investigate crimes against them. He can get access to information about them and pass it to his associates. These are things you probably don't think about much because - on the assumption you're a white, heterosexual male - you're not the sort of person that the police have had a habit of unnecessarily victimising. And some of that shit has been bad enough even without individual police officers actively being motivated to do so by far right political ideology. In a sense you are right - if the police are overrun by the far right, they probably still won't bother you, as you are a white, heterosexual man. However, for those of us who care about wider society, it's not just about you.
You do realize the majority of black communities didn't want defund the police, right? It's not me saying what I think they want or my perspective, it's literally what they themselves said. Inner city communities with high crime are not overrun by right-wing cops (there's probably a couple bad apples). I can see that being a problem here or there in very small, rural towns, but that's not happening in the cities. Where/when would the police be overrun by right-wing cops? This is just a thing that's not gonna happen. It would be like me worrying about communists gaining power and taking what I own.
 

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Also from Wikipedia... Hence, social democracy is not socialism.
Oh, that is some truly disgusting and contemptible hypocrisy, because Wikipedia was good enough for you when it suited you:

The Wikipedia for Azana literally says he wasn't a socialist.
But to the point, the Danish PM you refer to actually said:

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,”

Now, that's not the same thing as saying it isn't socialist. It's discriminating between a planned economy and a market economy. Contextually, it's also worth noting he is (by Danish standards) a right-winger, and not a social democrat.

From Encyclopedia Britannica:
social democracy, political ideology that originally advocated a peaceful evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes. In the second half of the 20th century, there emerged a more moderate version of the doctrine, which generally espoused state regulation, rather than state ownership, of the means of production and extensive social welfare programs.

Social democracy is the conventional continental European postwar centre-left - the basic concept to utilise capitalist means of production to socialist ends, and whilst a borderline blended model, it's origins and intents are socialist, and it is viewed in political theory as socialist. Unfortunately, this tends to break the brains of many Americans, who can't seem to comprehend socialism as being anything other than the USSR or Cuba.
 

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You realize I can image search that graph, right, and then read what the statisticians who put it together actually say about it..

That graph is actually a perfect illustration of my point. Both reported crime and victimization statistics in the US have consistently fallen since the early 90s. In fact, when you put those victimization statistics in context it looks like this. What is actually being observed in that graph is not an unprecedented surge in crime, but an unusual discrepancy between the UCR and NCVS statistics, because they do not usually diverge that much. What this may indicate is a fairly dramatic decline in reporting rates, which may be partially attributed to diminished trust in the police.

Ultimately though, as the CCJ concludes "the conflicting signals from our major statistical systems for measuring crime mean we cannot conclude with confidence whether violent crimes, other than homicide, went up or down in 2022." This is what the NCVS is designed to do, it's meant to provide context to crime statistics and track the potential problem of non-reporting so we don't take crime statistics at face value. Taking the NCVS at face value without considering context isn't better.

There's supposed to be repercussions for shoplifting.
What do you expect? Do you want huge sums of money to be spent prosecuting and imprisoning random teenagers who steal chocolate bars so they can hang out with organized criminals and murderers? Do you think that would reduce criminality or produce a healthier society?

If not the average person, what about the average person in areas of high crime?
I have lived in "areas of high crime" for most of my adult life. The average person in those areas is not at any particular risk. The worst that will happen to them is mugging, and even if that happens what have you lost? A phone, maybe a bit of cash. The average person can replace those things. Serious crime, the stuff that really destroys lives, is overwhelmingly targeted, and if you aren't the kind of person who is a target you're probably fine. Being vulnerable to far right violence is just one of the things that can make you a target. It's far from the only one, but it is far more significant than anything you think the "average person" has to worry about.

Moreover, why do you even have "areas of high crime?" What you actually mean by that is areas which have been left in a state of managed decline due to systemic intergenerational poverty. Why is intergenerational poverty like that tolerated? Why is the response to crowd poor people together in broken communities rather than investing in them? Who comes up with this kind of policy?

We do fire drills and tornado drills, people aren't living in fear of those.
The fact that it is seen as necessary to conduct drills suggests that people are afraid of these things. They are seen as a big enough concern to justify spending time on preparation.

You're acting like this right-wing infiltration is abnormal.
Pedophiles are attracted to careers which give them access to children. Everyone knows this, because it's obvious, it's why we have systems specifically to try and filter out people who might pose a risk to children within those careers and to try and quickly identify and stop abuse when those systems fail.

The far right are overwhelmingly people who are ideologically drawn to violence and authority, and they are attracted to military and police careers because those careers provide opportunities for violent or authoritarian behavior. This is, again, something that is well evidenced and should be extremely obvious. If you do not have mechanisms to filter those people out, they will become entrenched within those organizations and they can dramatically affect the culture of those organizations. It is a specific, well-recognized threat which is often part of the explicit operation of many far-right organizations.

You do realize the majority of black communities didn't want defund the police, right?
That's debatable.

I can see that being a problem here or there in very small, rural towns, but that's not happening in the cities.
It absolutely is.

Urban police departments have huge problems with institutional racism. They have huge problems with other forms of bigotry. They have huge problems with abuse. It doesn't take many "bad apples" to rot the whole organizational culture from the inside out.
 

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What do you expect? Do you want huge sums of money to be spent prosecuting and imprisoning random teenagers who steal chocolate bars so they can hang out with organized criminals and murderers? Do you think that would reduce criminality or produce a healthier society?
It will give him a large number of people to feel superior to.
 

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Oh, that is some truly disgusting and contemptible hypocrisy, because Wikipedia was good enough for you when it suited you:



But to the point, the Danish PM you refer to actually said:

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,”

Now, that's not the same thing as saying it isn't socialist. It's discriminating between a planned economy and a market economy. Contextually, it's also worth noting he is (by Danish standards) a right-winger, and not a social democrat.

From Encyclopedia Britannica:
social democracy, political ideology that originally advocated a peaceful evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes. In the second half of the 20th century, there emerged a more moderate version of the doctrine, which generally espoused state regulation, rather than state ownership, of the means of production and extensive social welfare programs.

Social democracy is the conventional continental European postwar centre-left - the basic concept to utilise capitalist means of production to socialist ends, and whilst a borderline blended model, it's origins and intents are socialist, and it is viewed in political theory as socialist. Unfortunately, this tends to break the brains of many Americans, who can't seem to comprehend socialism as being anything other than the USSR or Cuba.
For me, it's about the economy of the systems. There are people that genuinely really want actual socialism or communism. I'm very much doubting he would be a right-winger, people don't elect extreme candidates outside of extreme conditions (and Denmark is not in the predicament).

That entry does say social democracy originally advocated for peaceful transition from capitalism to socialism, and that isn't a thing it is now as the 2nd sentence goes onto say social democracy basically became being something that isn't socialism in essence. They kept the term but changed the definition.

You realize I can image search that graph, right, and then read what the statisticians who put it together actually say about it..

That graph is actually a perfect illustration of my point. Both reported crime and victimization statistics in the US have consistently fallen since the early 90s. In fact, when you put those victimization statistics in context it looks like this. What is actually being observed in that graph is not an unprecedented surge in crime, but an unusual discrepancy between the UCR and NCVS statistics, because they do not usually diverge that much. What this may indicate is a fairly dramatic decline in reporting rates, which may be partially attributed to diminished trust in the police.

Ultimately though, as the CCJ concludes "the conflicting signals from our major statistical systems for measuring crime mean we cannot conclude with confidence whether violent crimes, other than homicide, went up or down in 2022." This is what the NCVS is designed to do, it's meant to provide context to crime statistics and track the potential problem of non-reporting so we don't take crime statistics at face value. Taking the NCVS at face value without considering context isn't better.



What do you expect? Do you want huge sums of money to be spent prosecuting and imprisoning random teenagers who steal chocolate bars so they can hang out with organized criminals and murderers? Do you think that would reduce criminality or produce a healthier society?



I have lived in "areas of high crime" for most of my adult life. The average person in those areas is not at any particular risk. The worst that will happen to them is mugging, and even if that happens what have you lost? A phone, maybe a bit of cash. The average person can replace those things. Serious crime, the stuff that really destroys lives, is overwhelmingly targeted, and if you aren't the kind of person who is a target you're probably fine. Being vulnerable to far right violence is just one of the things that can make you a target. It's far from the only one, but it is far more significant than anything you think the "average person" has to worry about.

Moreover, why do you even have "areas of high crime?" What you actually mean by that is areas which have been left in a state of managed decline due to systemic intergenerational poverty. Why is intergenerational poverty like that tolerated? Why is the response to crowd poor people together in broken communities rather than investing in them? Who comes up with this kind of policy?



The fact that it is seen as necessary to conduct drills suggests that people are afraid of these things. They are seen as a big enough concern to justify spending time on preparation.



Pedophiles are attracted to careers which give them access to children. Everyone knows this, because it's obvious, it's why we have systems specifically to try and filter out people who might pose a risk to children within those careers and to try and quickly identify and stop abuse when those systems fail.

The far right are overwhelmingly people who are ideologically drawn to violence and authority, and they are attracted to military and police careers because those careers provide opportunities for violent or authoritarian behavior. This is, again, something that is well evidenced and should be extremely obvious. If you do not have mechanisms to filter those people out, they will become entrenched within those organizations and they can dramatically affect the culture of those organizations. It is a specific, well-recognized threat which is often part of the explicit operation of many far-right organizations.



That's debatable.



It absolutely is.

Urban police departments have huge problems with institutional racism. They have huge problems with other forms of bigotry. They have huge problems with abuse. It doesn't take many "bad apples" to rot the whole organizational culture from the inside out.
When people say crime is increasing and a problem, they are talking about now and not the 90s (the highest crime rate in history). One of the reasons of the divergence in the FBI reporting and survey data is because the FBI changed the reporting system and several cities like New York and LA have yet to submit anything since the change. And, again, police are understaffed and 911 call times are ridiculous in some places and people don't even call the police anymore. I will take the survey over the reporting because those 2 have been close to each other historically and it's the reporting that has changed so chances are higher that it's on the reporting being off and not the survey.

Teenagers were never imprisoned...

Again, I have a friend where one of year school he and one kid were the only ones not shot. There's areas were people are afraid of not just muggings but violent crime, and they ain't worried about the far-right. It's partly left policies that cause the continued poverty in those areas.

Time is wasted on so many things. Just because they check shoes at the TSA (I think that's still a thing) doesn't mean people are afraid of someone having a bomb in their shoes when flying on a plane.

And, then don't the police have ways to filter out far-right candidates like pedophiles? You ain't gonna filter out all of them. I don't see why you're specifically highlighting this instance of "infiltration" and acting like it's some massive threat.

That's the polls...

Far-right infiltration and institutional racism are two different things.

So not what we were talking about..
 

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This is so catty, get your popcorns.

I watched 30 minutes of that debate Im just now realizing it was just Haley and DeSantis. I kept picturing that they had like literally anyone competitive other than those two. Whats sad is that if the Supreme Court can't squirm their way out of removing trump from the ballot the republican party is going to go into a death spiral. Haha-ha gotm and all that, but it's not a good thing when 71 million people wake up and decide they aren't represented anymore. Lot..oo..crazies praying for that day to come.
 
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I kept picturing that they had like literally anyone competitive other than those two.
There were other reasonable candidates, and would be even more if Trump wasn't in the race. It's certainly a broader field than the Democratic Party has at the moment.
 

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There is no such thing as a reasonable candidate for the Republican or Democratic parties. They are tools of the entrenched oligarchy and no reasonable person should vote for them.