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Ag3ma

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Social democracy isn't socialism
"Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism..."

The Wikipedia for Azana literally says he wasn't a socialist.
Irrespective of his personal political beliefs, Manuel Azana was leader of a political alliance which was, in practice, numerically dominated by socialists and which enacted socialist policy in government.
 
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Crime is massively going up in the NCVS, which has nothing to do with crime being detected or not detected.
Between 2021 and 2022 rates of both property and violent crimes recorded by the NCVS increased slightly. However, both are still lower than in 2018 and the overall statistical trend remains downwards, as it has been for decades. The only reason this claim makes any sense is because the 2021 rates from property crimes and the 2020 rates for violent crimes were the lowest ever recorded.

The statistical anomaly here is actually that reported crime victimization rates have been unusually low for a couple of years. This is actually a global phenomenon, likely caused by the pandemic.

You're literally trying to argue crime going up is good somehow.
Because most crimes are not reported. This has been true forever. Reporting is by far the biggest statistical determinant of crime statistics, and as such any increase in crime statistics is overwhelmingly likely to indicate an change in reporting or recording rather than an actual change in the prevalence of crime. There is a toxic incentive for police departments to try and keep crime figures as low as possible when, in fact, low crime statistics are likely to be a sign of poor performance, if not intentional malpractice.

Hell, there was a reporter doing just a random interview of a person going to the grocery store in San Francisco and asked the guy if he knew the store had shoplifting issues and he said on live TV basically that "yeah, I've stolen from here before myself". That demonstrates people know there's no repercussions.
Yeah, there generally are no repercussions for shoplifting. Do you want there to be?

What do you think the average person is far more concerned about the 12 homicides that happen in Chicago every week or amount of right-wing homicides that doesn't even add up to 12 a year normally?
The "average person" doesn't have to be concerned about either. That's not really the point.

Again, how often do you think school shootings happen?
Again... not the point. They happen often enough to make active shooter drills a normal part of school life for millions of children.

They aren't infiltrating the police/military like Hydra and trying to take it over, they are going to acquire the skills they want.
Yes. That is what infiltration means. Well done.

Hydra is a fictional organization. Fiction is not reality. The threat of real far-right infiltration is not the same as in a fictional story, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Far right sympathizers in the police and military can use their position to do a lot of harm in the here and now. If the guy with a gun who is pulling you over for speeding is a white supremacist, that could make a very big difference to how you are likely to be treated as a member of the public.

Also, for many the ultimate goal is to take over these institutions. A central part of Q-Anon belief, for example, is that when the time comes the military will support Donald Trump and stage a coup against the evil deep state government. Many believed that would happen on January 6th. Again, these are fictional ideas but they reflect real beliefs and ambitions.

The far left is very vocal on tons of issues that the average person doesn't agree with and doesn't want.
Free speech.

Terminal is acting like people are actively living in fear of the far-right on a daily basis, and that's just blowing this shit way out of proportion.
Well, part of that is that I've personally been a victim of about half a dozen hate crimes, including violent assaults. I am actually past fear, at this point, because I am sufficiently accustomed to violence that I no longer find the idea frightening. Bear in mind, I live in a relatively safe and tolerant part of the world where the far right does not have particularly widepsread support. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like to live somewhere where you genuinely might be afraid to call the police for fear that whoever shows up armed at your door might have the means and desire to kill you.
 
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Ag3ma

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From Terminal's reply to me, it's either gross overestimation of the violence (and police infiltration) caused by the far-right or conspiracy level stuff. Literally more people get murdered in Chicago in a week than the amount of homicides caused by the far-right in a year. And people everywhere are living in fear of violence from the far-right? Give me a break.
I'm guessing that you are a white, heterosexual man. You might therefore have very different experiences with the police, and from that different ideas about how dangerous it is for the far right to be in the police than other demographic groups.

Bearing in mind here that a far right policeman isn't necessarily going to go round killing people. He can just rough them up a bit, harass them with "investigtions" and fines for trivial offences, neglect to stop other people victimising them or to properly investigate crimes against them. He can get access to information about them and pass it to his associates. These are things you probably don't think about much because - on the assumption you're a white, heterosexual male - you're not the sort of person that the police have had a habit of unnecessarily victimising. And some of that shit has been bad enough even without individual police officers actively being motivated to do so by far right political ideology. In a sense you are right - if the police are overrun by the far right, they probably still won't bother you, as you are a white, heterosexual man. However, for those of us who care about wider society, it's not just about you.
 

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Pffft, don't know why even bother with this ridiculous circus. I'd sooner believe the SC rule Trump can be the only one running for President while guilty of literally every crime on the book.
 

Ag3ma

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Pffft, don't know why even bother with this ridiculous circus. I'd sooner believe the SC rule Trump can be the only one running for President while guilty of literally every crime on the book.
Yes. We all know that SCOTUS is going to ban states from removing Trump from the slate (unless he's actually convicted), the rest is just media trying to drum up attention before the inevitable ruling. Although I think SCOTUS making candidate removal require being found guilty (court or impeachment) for relevant crimes probably the right thing to do.

For the record, I think SCOTUS would be very happy for Trump to lose the election. What terrifies them is that they might have to make a decision which de facto turns him into the winner or loser because it poses a huge risk to their credibility and reputation with the public.

There's also the clusterfuck of what happens if some relevant cases are still going through the courts when the election occurs, and Trump wins the election. For someone to win an election whilst potentially disqualifying court cases are unresolved is a potential disaster, should he then lose the court cases. Plus of course that if he wins, he may then be able to quash them and then effectively prevent justice being done. That's not a good look for a country that's supposed to run on the rule of law.
 
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Its real simply. If you vote for the leopard eating peoples faces party then they won’t eat YOUR face.

right?
Sometimes you are pretty far down on the list of faces to eat and they might not (directly) get to you.
 

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Its real simply. If you vote for the leopard eating peoples faces party then they won’t eat YOUR face.

right?
They feel safe in their vote so long as there's enough brown faces that get eaten first.
 

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Not exclusively. People in the US that don't want programs that'll help them if they help black people as well, people in the UK thinking Brexit is ok as long as it inconveniences some French people...
Yeah, I know, it's just the most obvious and blatant example, having "feminists" shack up with anti-abortion organisations as well as literal nazis just so they can sic 'm on the trans community.
 

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"If a US-led coalition attacks the Houthis in the coming weeks, they will be keen to remind the world that Washington and its allies helped instigate a years-long humanitarian crisis in Yemen – and that the US is risking a wider conflagration that will bring more misery to the Middle East."

Biden likely knows this as he was the one who told me and other people reading and watching Buzzfeed about it via a briefing video essay on BuzzFeed back in the 2010s.

Also, he stopped lots of drone attacks/strikes on Yemen and got the Saudis to back off from bombing Yemen, and it likely played a part in his political attack on MBS.

Proof: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-white-house-joins-the-buzzfeed-community/