US lawmakers introduce bill to ban TikTok

[Phoenixmgs]

That's not an explanation. Try again.

The economy was run by the state...

Except that almost all forms of socialism acknowledge a role for private ownership, and private ownership predates capitalism by thousands of years.

When someone says private ownership, they don't mean being able to own a TV or spoon or whatever.

She's right. Targeting a specific foreign-owned app to deal with privacy concerns would be arbitrary scapegoating, and leave the core issue unaddressed. Stronger privacy regulation would apply across the board-- to the shitty American companies alongside the shitty Chinese companies.

The danger of TikTok has little to do with privacy. The US government (and I'm sure most companies) have already banned TikTok for employees so TikTok stealing like state secrets or something shouldn't be a thing.

 

[Silvanus]

When someone says private ownership, they don't mean being able to own a TV or spoon or whatever.

Try again. Almost all forms of socialism acknowledge a role for private ownership /of businesses/. And private business predates capitalism by thousands of years.

The danger of TikTok has little to do with privacy. The US government (and I'm sure most companies) have already banned TikTok for employees so TikTok stealing like state secrets or something shouldn't be a thing.

"If state secrets aren't being stolen, there's no risk to invasion of privacy".

 

[Seanchaidh]

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Try again. Almost all forms of socialism acknowledge a role for private ownership /of businesses/. And private business predates capitalism by thousands of years.




"If state secrets aren't being stolen, there's no risk to invasion of privacy".

You can't have socialism if businesses are privately owned...

I didn't say there's no risk to invasion of privacy, I said "the danger of TikTok has little to do with privacy". If the danger of invasion of privacy is why I would feel TikTok needs to be banned, then I would be for banning tons of other things that collect similar data as TikTok.

 

[ralfy]

TikTok: Chinese “Trojan Horse” Is Run by State Department Officials

A MintPress News investigation has found that dozens of former officials from the State Department, CIA and FBI are working in key positions at TikTok and affecting the content that over one billion users see.

www.mintpressnews.com

 

[Silvanus]

You can't have socialism if businesses are privately owned...

You literally can. Most forms of socialism allow for some presence of private enterprise. And even you yourself have admitted that capitalism and socialism aren't 100% mutually exclusive.

Hell, private enterprise even existed under the NEP during Lenin's tenure.

I didn't say there's no risk to invasion of privacy, I said "the danger of TikTok has little to do with privacy". If the danger of invasion of privacy is why I would feel TikTok needs to be banned, then I would be for banning tons of other things that collect similar data as TikTok.

In your own words, what is the danger, and why does it exceed the danger of the American-owned social media apps you don't want banned?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Eh, the big dangers are gaming forums, people forever are posting secret US stuff there.

And yet, we never get anything cool on the Escapist.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

You literally can. Most forms of socialism allow for some presence of private enterprise. And even you yourself have admitted that capitalism and socialism aren't 100% mutually exclusive.

Hell, private enterprise even existed under the NEP during Lenin's tenure.



In your own words, what is the danger, and why does it exceed the danger of the American-owned social media apps you don't want banned?

Literally the 1st sentence of the Wikipedia entry:
Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a wide range of economic and social systems which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

Any "private" company in China must do want the government wants. The Chinese government can effectively demand the type of algorithm and content pushed to the entire populations. You see no issue with that at all? It's not like there's any news story that's currently going around showing the US government did the same to American social media companies and what that caused...

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Literally the 1st sentence of the Wikipedia entry:
Socialism is a political philosophy and movement encompassing a wide range of economic and social systems which are characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

Any "private" company in China must do want the government wants. The Chinese government can effectively demand the type of algorithm and content pushed to the entire populations.

Did you forget what thread you're in?

You see no issue with that at all? It's not like there's any news story that's currently going around showing the US government did the same to American social media companies and what that caused...

The twitter files were a bust and nobody gives a shit.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

 

[Bedinsis]

Any "private" company in China must do want the government wants.

Every private company on Earth is dependent on their government allowing them to do what they want.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Every private company on Earth is dependent on their government allowing them to do what they want.

Then how did Apple not cooperate with the FBI?

 

[Bedinsis]

Then how did Apple not cooperate with the FBI?

They argued their case in court, and before the FBI could push it further they figured out a workaround that wouldn't require the cooperation with Apple.

 

[Trunkage]

They argued their case in court, and before the FBI could push it further they figured out a workaround that wouldn't require the cooperation with Apple.

I would say that the original case possibly might have fallen down but they would have found a legal workaround eventually. It might have taken years

 

[Trunkage]

Ah, good old 'capitalism' wins again. And by capitalism here, I mean mercantilism

 

[Chimpzy]

To be specific, US lawmakers have passed a bill forcing the Chinese owners of Tiktok to divest their US assets (into American hands) or face a ban.

American user data will then be safe.

 

[Gergar12]

Corporate censorship.

Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

Rights group says Facebook and Instagram routinely engage in ‘six key patterns of undue censorship’ of content supporting Palestine

www.theguardian.com

And this is coming from someone who despises the CCP/CPC. TikTok and YouTube are the only media where left-of-center content isn't being censored. And Google will fall after the current semi-lefty CEO of Google Sundar Pichai resigns due to corporate and investor pressure not to exploit his users more, let's be real he should have been the one to create a ChatGPT first but didn't want to.

Also, Instagram reels and youtube shots just suck the most boring content ever.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Corporate censorship.

Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

Rights group says Facebook and Instagram routinely engage in ‘six key patterns of undue censorship’ of content supporting Palestine

www.theguardian.com

And this is coming from someone who despises the CCP/CPC. TikTok and YouTube are the only media where left-of-center content isn't being censored. And Google will fall after the current semi-lefty CEO of Google Sundar Pichai resigns due to corporate and investor pressure not to exploit his users more, let's be real he should have been the one to create a ChatGPT first but didn't want to.

Also, Instagram reels and youtube shots just suck the most boring content ever.

Uhhhh..... What?

 

[Gergar12]

Uhhhh..... What?

I should have stated mainstream censorship. Facebook, Instagram, X censor the left.

 

[Chimpzy]

US House passes bill that could lead to total TikTok ban

Bill – with updated language that extends deadline to a year for ByteDance to divest of TikTok – to go before Senate next week

www.theguardian.com