Good thing, because the irony would not be lost if it was technically less than stellar…
I'll believe that you do. The dudebros? No, they just want tits and ass for jerkoff material. That's why they get angry at "uggos"- if they can't tug their beef to a woman, why should that woman even exist?Daily! I've even said this before, but in every game that gives me the option I'm picking the female options. Skyrim, Saints Row, MMO's, whatever, if given the choice I'm the chick everytime.
I meant an episode about it entirely, not just addressing it. I know it was brought up a bit in the MLK episode and in the synthesis episode, but do you have another in mind besides those? Cause I tried to come up with one but it's been a hot minute since I did a marathon.They did already. A couple of episodes actually, but there's one that where it was a major focus from beginning to end. It was during the second season. Where the hell you've been?
Women not like her also exist. Why can't it be normal and good to wanna depict them in games without people screaming "woke" and "SBI ruining muh games"?
That's what I'm talking about. There was one that came up after the Martin Luther King episode. The one that involved Riley's white teacher saying the word and felt it was unfair since he wasn't using it in a racist context. I can't remember the name of that episode, but it's that one.meant an episode about it entirely, not just addressing it. I know it was brought up a bit in the MLK episode and in the synthesis episode, but do you have another in mind besides those? Cause I tried to come up with one but it's been a hot minute since I did a marathon
Except for the millennia long tradition of art *not* being that, sureOk so here's the deal, with art and games and fiction in general, there's an aspirational component, which is why the ancient greek statues were all of beautiful people, it's aspirational, showcasing an ideal to admire and strive towards. The best humanity can be. So while not "wrong" per-se, there's a millenia-long tradition of art functioning as showing the world as being more beautiful than it really is, or about as beautiful as it can possibly be if all the conditions are perfect. And there's value in that tradition. Expecting it to be continued and not destroyed should be the default, and there's nothing wrong about that.
If gamers think Aloy is ugly as all hell, that explains a massive amount about how gamers actAnd yeah like I said you can depict beautiful in a million different ways, nobody wants every char to look like Eve, that'd be boring. We just want them to not be ugly as all hell unless the game is meaningfully impacted by having ugly chars cause it's some sort of horror game or what have you.
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The issue is with people making chars intentionally ugly, not diversely beautiful.
Except these days there's plenty of "trad-chuds" who would have a problem with the Amazon from Dragon's crown for not being traditionally feminine enough.Ok so here's the deal, with art and games and fiction in general, there's an aspirational component, which is why the ancient greek statues were all of beautiful people, it's aspirational, showcasing an ideal to admire and strive towards. The best humanity can be. So while not "wrong" per-se, there's a millenia-long tradition of art functioning as showing the world as being more beautiful than it really is, or about as beautiful as it can possibly be if all the conditions are perfect. And there's value in that tradition. Expecting it to be continued and not destroyed should be the default, and there's nothing wrong about that.
And yeah like I said you can depict beautiful in a million different ways, nobody wants every char to look like Eve, that'd be boring. We just want them to not be ugly as all hell unless the game is meaningfully impacted by having ugly chars cause it's some sort of horror game or what have you.
Nobody's saying if you find a big muscular chick hot that that shouldn't be included, for example, nobody complained about the Amazon from Dragon's Crown and she looks like this:
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People only complained about the more orthodox, buxom sorceress, on the other side.
The issue is with people making chars intentionally ugly, not diversely beautiful.
Thank you. From what I am seeing, Dreiko's is just using typical arm chair and wannabe arts degree logic.Except these days there's plenty of "trad-chuds" who would have a problem with the Amazon from Dragon's crown for not being traditionally feminine enough.
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You're also making a really sweeping generalization that art is supposed to depict aspirational beauty. There's plenty of very famous art made by very famous traditional artists that depicts normal people rather than Greek gods. Just look at this Caravaggio:
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There is plenty of renaissance era portraiture that is ugly and depicts people as they are with all of their blemishes, because the artists thought that depicting flawed humanity was just as interesting as drawing perfect angelic figures.
There will always be personal preferences and who’s to say otherwise. I myself am all for anyone staying in shape with little to no waste jiggling, but when a chic starts to look more masculine than feminine is where I lose visual interest. Nothing wrong with it and more power to them, but just not for me.Except these days there's plenty of "trad-chuds" who would have a problem with the Amazon from Dragon's crown for not being traditionally feminine enough.
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You're also making a really sweeping generalization that art is supposed to depict aspirational beauty. There's plenty of very famous art made by very famous traditional artists that depicts normal people rather than Greek gods. Just look at this Caravaggio:
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There is plenty of renaissance era portraiture that is ugly and depicts people as they are with all of their blemishes, because the artists thought that depicting flawed humanity was just as interesting as drawing perfect angelic figures.
Great, so a even worse version of Wanted: Dead? The only difference is that there's no leveling but you have these dumb skill points in WD for moves that should have been there by default.Eve's skillset is locked behind the leveling system so the lack of tools
Thank you.combat system should be fun and feel good at the most basic level, then continue to get better and cooler with unlocks along the way as you go along. DMC knows this, Bayonetta knows this, God of War knows this, many action games understand this concept.
Still haven't been given examples of who these "intentionally ugly" characters (women) are, that isn't just compliants about them looking plain or muscular.The issue is with people making chars intentionally ugly, not diversely beautiful.
The level design sucks too mostly because they are really trying to ape a Souls-like style where the levels double back on each other but a lot of the double backs are loops that happen within seconds and without enemies to fight so a shortcut is meaningless. Top that off with locked doors that either need a key or a password that is ALWAYS available around the corner. You will never have to hunt for a password or figure out a puzzle to find a key or anything. The answer to every lock is 20 feet away. Top that off with the ruins and area all looking so samey that the real challenge is not getting turned around or realizing you can jump onto a ledge to proceed, thanks yellow paint btw.
I'm glad it wasn't a Battle Angel game. The Souls style does not fit that type of character nor world. Like I told you back in 2021, if they're going to do a game like that, it has to be at least DMC style, some God Hand thrown in possibly.I wonder if this game would have been cooler if it had been an Alita Battle Angel game instead of a Nier knockoff.
IIRC the designer said he based the character off of Alita, and the Nier designer said Stellar Blade was better version of his game or something.I wonder if this game would have been cooler if it had been an Alita Battle Angel game instead of a Nier knockoff.