Funny events in anti-woke world

[Phoenixmgs]

Hopefully, the option that hasn't been picked a thousand times before

And when are we going get that? Where's the games that the protagonist doesn't kill hordes of enemies and the gameplay isn't centered on combat?

Also, I gotta point out that 'shitty writing' is very subjective.

Eg. A lot of people like 80s movie dialogue and all I hear is cringe

Why would top writing talent work in the video game industry over other industries? They get paid far less and have far less control. Games are made basically backwards where gameplay and levels are constructed and the writer has a shit job of trying to make everything work. Something like how John Gonzalez was able to actually work with Guerrilla when making Horizon Zero Dawn is a rarity in the industry as John says in the following interview:

@~8:35 mark


Why would a good writer want to actually work in the video game industry? The video game industry just simply doesn't have the writing talent.

Crash won Best Picture at the Oscars. Really tells you movies as a medium kinda suck, huh? Why would anyone enjoy watching a movie when Green Book is considered one of the best movies ever made?

Than that means you really don't understand the concept of advising or informing.

Crash is far better written than Uncharted 3, Paul Haggis is a good writer with plenty of accolades and quality work.

You guys can't answer basic questions of logic. Writers in the video game industry have far less control over what they write, they have to come into a game that already has a lot of what it is completed and have to tie shit together, they can't actually write the story they want to. They have basically no power to change things that should be changed. They get paid far less than any other medium. Why would the top writing talent actually work in the video game industry? It makes no sense that if you're a good writer that you'd be writing for video games. There's simply a dearth of writing talent in the video game industry.

You're acting like I'm some contrarian about writing in video games with some edgy hot take. Saying video game writing is bad is a very popular and agreeable take. It's like anything I say must be wrong and you must fight tooth and nail to not agree with me for some reason. I really don't understand why.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You guys can't answer basic questions of logic. Writers in the video game industry have far less control over what they write, they have to come into a game that already has a lot of what it is completed and have to tie shit together, they can't actually write the story they want to. They have basically no power to change things that should be changed. They get paid far less than any other medium.

"Except for Sweet Baby, who have the authority and power to force massive changes in games to include lots of forced minority/female/queer representation"

 

[thebobmaster]

Phoenix...are you aware of what a consultation is? It's giving advice to someone asking for it. In order for Sweet Baby to have any role in a game, they have to be actively brought into the studio/office, be asked about their opinion on something, and then have the studio follow through on that advice. By definition, I really don't get how a consultation firm can force anyone to do anything, because the hiring firm is the one that has all the power. Sweet Baby makes demands that the studio doesn't agree with, they'll just say "OK, we won't be needing your services. BYE."

 

[Casual Shinji]

The fucking narcissism with you dude, Jesus H. Christ.

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

 

[Silvanus]

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Andy Ngo is a dickhead, but doxxing regular people isn't justified. Fuck whoever did this.

And for that matter, fuck them for using a fake trans outing as a joke, as well.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

"Except for Sweet Baby, who have the authority and power to force massive changes in games to include lots of forced minority/female/queer representation"

Never said that...

Phoenix...are you aware of what a consultation is? It's giving advice to someone asking for it. In order for Sweet Baby to have any role in a game, they have to be actively brought into the studio/office, be asked about their opinion on something, and then have the studio follow through on that advice. By definition, I really don't get how a consultation firm can force anyone to do anything, because the hiring firm is the one that has all the power. Sweet Baby makes demands that the studio doesn't agree with, they'll just say "OK, we won't be needing your services. BYE."

You think the writers are the ones asking for writing consultants? Consultants are brought in by executives/upper management. It's like you people don't know basic work politics. You think the person/people that bring in consultants would be happy if the none of the consultant advice (that they are paying for) was taken?

You do realize that SBI's consulting is the thing about them I care about least right? I wouldn't want to support them as a company based on their harassment of a gamer and their past tweets. Coming into consult on diversity and inclusion is rather pointless. The right will complain about something, the left says that something isn't happening, then a few months later, oh yeah, that thing is happening. You guys need to stop gaslighting people.

Why don't one of you just explain how SBI's consulting actually works? Give an actual example of what you think SBI does when they consult on a game.

The fucking narcissism with you dude, Jesus H. Christ.

I state basic facts and I'm narcissistic?

 

[Ag3ma]

Experts dismiss Kristi Noem’s ‘dubious’ claim to have met Kim Jong-un

South Dakota governor says she met North Korean dictator in same book in which she describes killing her dog

www.theguardian.com

So, more fun with Kristi Noem. For some reason, the gate appears to be wide open for all these deranged fabulists to squat in high office.

She claims to have met Kim Jong Un, to the almost total disbelief of anyone who works in diplomacy, opining that he underestimated her. I am more inclined to ask whether that's total fabrication, or she encountered some other North Korean official and just assumed it was the Supreme Leader because she couldn't tell one overweight Asian man from another.

Secondly, she claims to have cancelled a meeting with the French president because apparently he said something she felt was insufficiently pro-Israel. This appears to be at least somewhat more plausible, except it seems more likely she was merely slated to attend at the same event the French President was.

Although we might note that the publisher appears to have said something along the lines that there may need to be some editing required on some of these events (!), so they might not arrive in the final version.

 

[Trunkage]

Phoenix...are you aware of what a consultation is? It's giving advice to someone asking for it. In order for Sweet Baby to have any role in a game, they have to be actively brought into the studio/office, be asked about their opinion on something, and then have the studio follow through on that advice. By definition, I really don't get how a consultation firm can force anyone to do anything, because the hiring firm is the one that has all the power. Sweet Baby makes demands that the studio doesn't agree with, they'll just say "OK, we won't be needing your services. BYE."

It's like canceling. The mobs can't actually fire someone. Only the business/ institution can.

Cancellers can put pressure onto those entities to get them to fire a person. They don't fire anyone

Doesn't mean that it's wrong. It's misattributing abilities

 

[Avnger]

Phoenix...are you aware of what a consultation is? It's giving advice to someone asking for it. In order for Sweet Baby to have any role in a game, they have to be actively brought into the studio/office, be asked about their opinion on something, and then have the studio follow through on that advice. By definition, I really don't get how a consultation firm can force anyone to do anything, because the hiring firm is the one that has all the power. Sweet Baby makes demands that the studio doesn't agree with, they'll just say "OK, we won't be needing your services. BYE."

But he saw Office Space that one time, and it had consultants in it. He's basically a consulting expert now.

 

[Trunkage]

And when are we going get that? Where's the games that the protagonist doesn't kill hordes of enemies and the gameplay isn't centered on combat?

I like my Tacomas and Gone Homes just as much as my Helldivers or Borderlands

We have plenty of the latter. More of the former would be good. Plus they are usually short and that helps them fit into my MMO obsessed lifestyle

Why would top writing talent work in the video game industry over other industries? They get paid far less and have far less control. Games are made basically backwards where gameplay and levels are constructed and the writer has a shit job of trying to make everything work. Something like how John Gonzalez was able to actually work with Guerrilla when making Horizon Zero Dawn is a rarity in the industry as John says in the following interview:

@~8:35 mark


Why would a good writer want to actually work in the video game industry? The video game industry just simply doesn't have the writing talent.

To expand on this, writing a book is not same as writing a comic book. Writing a script for a movie is not the same as writing for game. Games are a very new medium and people are still learning how to write for them. Eg. Dark Souls storytelling mainly happening in item descriptions is probably not a good idea. Show, don't tell

Also, genres can be a problem. Eg. New Vegas is meant to be an open world game. It has a pipeline funneling you from Goodsprings to New Vegas where you dont get to choose how to explore. This is to set up the set pieces of the story in the correct order. Which makes NV story more intelligible and sequential. But it also limits you're ability to explore, which is tenet of open world games

 

[Ag3ma]

To expand on this, writing a book is not same as writing a comic book. Writing a script for a movie is not the same as writing for game. Games are a very new medium and people are still learning how to write for them. Eg. Dark Souls storytelling mainly happening in item descriptions is probably not a good idea. Show, don't tell

Maybe writers work in computer games because they like the medium of computer games, and it's about more than money to them.

This idea about "top writers" seems slightly false. A great novel author isn't necessarily a great film scriptwriter or playwright. Whilst there's some commonality across different spheres of writing, actually each form has its own requirements such that there can be no assumption that brilliance will transfer from one sphere to another.

Who thinks writers are really that free? Over in film and TV, the a few writers might exercise a lot of power, but that's mostly going to be because they are showrunners / producers. Most writers however are going to be getting told what to do by directors and producers, because they are just a cog in the much larger machine. That's often how it should be. A computer game or film or TV show needs an overall controller, creative lead, who has to tie together all the elements of the opus. That could be the writer, but much more often isn't. Ultimately, a game needs good gameplay much more than it needs good writing.

Even authors don't necessarily have the power and freedom one might think. In reality, hardly any authors are big business (<10%) and over half effectively make no money from the selling of books. They get an advance, and then sell so few books that the sales do nothing but cover the advance. Many authors have good relationships with their editor, but there are also plenty of stories of unwelcome interference and pressure from the editor/publisher. As the publisher gets so little from the books of many authors, it means they can take or leave those authors. What this also means is that computer game writing is potentially every bit as financially viable as a lot of the other writing out there: midlist authors, or the majority writers for TV shows, etc. are not actually big earners at all, it's probably all around a low-to-middling professional wage slave salary.

 

[Silvanus]

This idea about "top writers" seems slightly false. A great novel author isn't necessarily a great film scriptwriter or playwright. Whilst there's some commonality across different spheres of writing, actually each form has its own requirements such that there can be no assumption that brilliance will transfer from one sphere to another.

See: Kevin Smith, who's a pretty good writer for film, but whose comic book output is abominable.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

See: Kevin Smith, who's a pretty good writer for film,

That's a bold statement.

 

[Silvanus]

That's a bold statement.

I thought Dogma was great stuff. And Clerks is generally well regarded. I haven't seen the others.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I thought Dogma was great stuff. And Clerks is generally well regarded. I haven't seen the others.

You probably shouldn't. At this point you've seen most of the good part of his library.

 

[Ag3ma]

You probably shouldn't. At this point you've seen most of the good part of his library.

I think the main argument for Kevin Smith is that he is a subtantially better writer than director.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

 

[Gergar12]

Over 250 US senior financial managers pledge: 'We will not hire pro-Palestinian protesters'

Managers at JP Morgan and Bank of America, as well as billionaire hedge fund manager Bill Ackman, signed a statement pledging not to hire students who participate in demonstrations against Israel: 'We support Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas. Supporters of hate will have no place in...

www.ynetnews.com

Of course, here comes the cancel culture.

I don't disagree with 10% of what they say. Don't throw a punch at a police officer, don't graffiti stuff, and don't be anti-Semitic. That doesn't help. Politics is about power and influence of power and you can't influence or build up power by offending everyone everyone you. Its 2024 protests need to be updated from the 1960s and even 2010s. inconveniencing people doesn't work and good boycotts don't work. No one cares. About 34% of young Americans care about this issue.

But in Gaza, there is currently a partial famine going on right now. The children born there didn't ask for this. They got a shit lottery of being born there true, but no one should have to watch as their child gets their limbs amputated, or starved, or killed by a 2000-pound bomb meant to kill hardened bunkers, and tanks.

 

[Silvanus]

Here we have George Galloway, recently elected MP for Rochdale, confronted on his statement that gay relationships shouldn't be treated as equal.


As is depressingly common now, Galloway is one who puts forward a thin pretense of socialism, but dig an inch deeper and there's the fawning support for Russian imperialism and regressive social politics.