Trump ordered to pay $350 million for fraudulent business practices in New York

[Dirty Hipsters]

There really is nothing Trump has done as a Republican that Democratic politicians haven't been doing for years before him. LBJ used the CIA to spy on Goldwater long before Watergate happened. It only becomes a matter of public scandal when the party that doesn't control the mainstream media does the thing.

It becomes a matter of public scandal when it's revealed to the public. You know, the thing that Donald Trump was trying hard to prevent.

 

[Trunkage]

I'm sure the jurors followed the instructions they were given and found enough evidence to convict Trump of being guilty on the charges. A lot the legal questions of the case aren't for the jurors to decide. It's not on them to legally figure this stuff out but to rule guilty/not guilty on the charges, evidence provided, and instructions given and I'm sure that did that as honestly as possible. It's the equivalent of a bunch of people here criticizing the jurors and acting like they knew more about the case than them in the Rittenhouse trial (which was a much simpler trial from a legal standpoint obviously).

The problem with the Rittenhouse case is that most US citizens think law and order is a thing. But when it comes to guns, law and order doesn't exist and any gun owner gets to do almost anything they want with no repercussions. The US citizenry are yet to be taught that gun owners can kill whoever they want and keep getting suprised by the Rittenhouse like case. Because what happened in that case, happens hundreds of times a year across the US.

It was interesting to find out that the Judge instructed the jury to only find Trump guilty if they could match it with another crime and then gave them three alternative links they could make. I assumed the multiple choice answer to get to guilty was completely out of the jury's purview

 

[Trunkage]

I think its more a case of "no publicity is bad publicity", it's sometime hard to believe, but there's a very sizable number of people who are shockingly ignorant about some very basic aspect of politic. I imagine the big news of him being found guilty will break trough their bubble, and from there they'll go "well I don't like the government for nonsense reason, therefore I'll vote for the guy who's getting charged because he's sticking it to them".

I think you missed a part

There are a sizeable number of people who are shockingly ignorant about how laws works

Also, I'll remind people that progressives are generally about traditions but applying them to everyone. Conservatives are about traditions but making sure it only for the 'worthy' through the means of hierarchy and 'meritocracy'

 

[tstorm823]

It becomes a matter of public scandal when it's revealed to the public. You know, the thing that Donald Trump was trying hard to prevent.

Which is exactly the imbalance between the parties. One controls the flow of public information, and you're all perfectly content to be carried by it.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Which is exactly the imbalance between the parties. One controls the flow of public information, and you're all perfectly content to be carried by it.

Really? Democrats control the entire flow of public information?

Then what was the point of David Pecker testifying that Trump had the National Enquirer catch and kill stories for him. Is the National Enquirer not media? Does it not provide public information?

David Pecker testified that Trump stories were 'National Enquirer gold.' He said he killed them to help Trump

Donald Trump's attorneys in his hush money case argued that the National Enquirer’s goal in working with Trump ahead of the 2016 election was simply to boost sales.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Worgen]

Really? Democrats control the entire flow of public information?

Of course Democrats totally control the media. Its so obvious, thats why trump has all of right wing media ready to brown nose him as hard as they can and democrats don't have a single network that just fawns over them like republicans do. Its also why Fox News beats any other cable news source in ratings. I mean its just obvious and common sense.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Of course Democrats totally control the media. Its so obvious, thats why trump has all of right wing media ready to brown nose him as hard as they can and democrats don't have a single network that just fawns over them like republicans do. Its also why Fox News beats any other cable news source in ratings. I mean its just obvious and common sense.

No see that's different because reasons!

 

[Phoenixmgs]

The problem with the Rittenhouse case is that most US citizens think law and order is a thing. But when it comes to guns, law and order doesn't exist and any gun owner gets to do almost anything they want with no repercussions. The US citizenry are yet to be taught that gun owners can kill whoever they want and keep getting suprised by the Rittenhouse like case. Because what happened in that case, happens hundreds of times a year across the US.

It was interesting to find out that the Judge instructed the jury to only find Trump guilty if they could match it with another crime and then gave them three alternative links they could make. I assumed the multiple choice answer to get to guilty was completely out of the jury's purview

I (and anyone) can see the videos of the Rittenhouse case, it was obvious self-defense, even the plaintiff's own witness said as much.

 

[Bedinsis]

Then you haven't been paying attention to what people say here.

Entirely possible. It's really easy to be locked into what one believes and therefore fail to notice patterns that paints a different picture than one's beliefs.

There were calls for capital punishment for 14 year old girls who got in a fight at school.

Where?

 

[I can't enter my old name]

While its fun that Trump is a convicted felon I don't think this changes much. If Trump organizing a coup didn't drive his voters away then I don't see why lying about paying a porn star would. In all likelihood he's still going to be the next president because the US electorate seems wildly out of wack.

I bet Trump is going to lose, because there were polls awhile ago where a good percentage of independent voters would not vote for Trump if he was convicted of a felony. If these polls hold it's in Biden's favor now, unless the economy crashes or another 2016 happens out of nowhere.

A year ago DeSantis was beating both Trump and Biden in the polls, while Trump was losing to Biden in the polls, that is, that is until the indictments started. Now Trump is the presumptive nominee by being turned into a martyr, except Republicans and MAGA can't win the general election by themselves. Now the Democrats have made the worst candidate the Republican nominee, and they know they can easily crush Trump by removing him from the ballot box or throwing him in prison.

Thus all these legal cases happened right on an election year, not in 2021-2023 which would have made DeSantis the nominee, a fortuitous coincidence I'm sure. By the way this isn't my idea, Peter Zeihan said it in a video a year ago, I'm just regurgitating it, and I've seen this idea many times. It's also not out of the question, the Democrats wanted Trump to be the nominee in 2016 per WikiLeaks, gave him airtime over everyone else, and donated to Trump-backed candidates in the midterms because he was supposedly unelectable.

It would also be in the best interest for Team Biden and the media say it had little to no affect on the election, which is what they're saying now, because saying the opposite would be admitting a motive, making it ever so obvious they're prosecuting the now front-runner to win an election.

 

[dreng3]

I don't know about should, but there are situations where it could.

And there we go, your hypocricy on full display. If you honestly believe that the hush money case should be moved then by that very same logic, and a bunch of other kinds, the classified documents case should also be moved.

 

[tstorm823]

Really? Democrats control the entire flow of public information?

Then what was the point of David Pecker testifying that Trump had the National Enquirer catch and kill stories for him. Is the National Enquirer not media? Does it not provide public information?

David Pecker testified that Trump stories were 'National Enquirer gold.' He said he killed them to help Trump

Donald Trump's attorneys in his hush money case argued that the National Enquirer’s goal in working with Trump ahead of the 2016 election was simply to boost sales.

abcnews.go.com

Money? I'm gonna go with money. It's certainly not actual effective concealment on account of us knowing all of the things they apparently concealed.

Of course Democrats totally control the media. Its so obvious, thats why trump has all of right wing media ready to brown nose him as hard as they can and democrats don't have a single network that just fawns over them like republicans do. Its also why Fox News beats any other cable news source in ratings. I mean its just obvious and common sense.

That's not the same thing. I'm not saying there aren't plenty of right-wing opinions in media, I'm not saying Republicans don't have their own companies supporting them. But even Fox News as big as they are has limited resources for ding the actual investigative work. They kill in the ratings because conservatism is popular, no doubt, but the bulk of what they do is responding to the news as already reported by the AP or the New York Times. Fox News is genuinely closer to what Philip Defranco does than it is to on the ground reporters. Fox News does not have the power to withhold stories from the AP. The AP has the power to withhold stories from Fox News. And on the occasion where right wing media does manage to find information that the rest of the media wouldn't publish, they've now got an army of "fact-checkers" to tell you that it's disinformation, and then you believe them.

Entirely possible. It's really easy to be locked into what one believes and therefore fail to notice patterns that paints a different picture than one's beliefs.

Where?

Slight exaggeration in my memory, it was only life in prison: " You'll never see a light of day ever again "

16-year-old Oklahoma teenager beaten to death in a bathroom.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/nex-benedict-everything-we-know-about-16-year-old-oklahoma-students-death

forums.escapistmagazine.com

And there we go, your hypocricy on full display. If you honestly believe that the hush money case should be moved then by that very same logic, and a bunch of other kinds, the classified documents case should also be moved.

I never claimed the hush money case should be moved, should is a dangerous word. There are reasons to move either, and I would not be upset if they thought Trump die-hards would be too hard to weed out of the jury in Florida.

 

[dreng3]

I never claimed the hush money case should be moved, should is a dangerous word. There are reasons to move either, and I would not be upset if they thought Trump die-hards would be too hard to weed out of the jury in Florida.

You are claiming that he cannot possibly have a fair trial in Manhattan while also noting that there are procedures for moving trials. Now, I do get the impression that subtext, subtelty and reading comprension aren't your strongest suites, but bear with me here.

We'd want to live in a just and fair society.
If the trial is moved there will be justice and fairness.
Then the trial should be moved.

Now quit hiding behind semantics and vagueness, just come out and say that you don't think he did anything wrong and that he shouldn't be held accountable for any of his actions.

 

[Hades]

 

[Bedinsis]

Slight exaggeration in my memory, it was only life in prison: " You'll never see a light of day ever again "

16-year-old Oklahoma teenager beaten to death in a bathroom.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/nex-benedict-everything-we-know-about-16-year-old-oklahoma-students-death

forums.escapistmagazine.com

I wonder how you as a Catholic consider it only a slight exaggeration to go from life in prison to the taking of someone's life.

Anyway: Brawlman's post didn't call for a life in prison, it merely explained the results of their actions. What's more, that "fight at school" ended up with a teen dead; withholding that piece of information severely alters the unspoken motivation of the people involved in that thread. Finally, your argument was about how people would react to a jury verdict not to their liking, not to a crime, and in that case the Kyle Rittenhouse thread is more relevant. I don't think I saw anyone encouraging harassment against people of the courtroom there, even though the thread itself had a headline doubting the judge's neutrality. Post #229 spoke the most about this matter, and it was directly in favor of protecting jurors against such tactics with plenty of upvotes.

So as I said: complete baloney.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

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Republicans haven't been "the party of law and order" for decades. They've been the party of "we are the law, and we order you to comply, or we will punish you".

 

[Bedinsis]

Republicans haven't been "the party of law and order" for decades. They've been the party of "we are the law, and we order you to comply, or we will punish you".

A political analyst said the other day that the Republican party does not exist, it is the party of Trump, which he took over as a Trojan horse.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Republicans haven't been "the party of law and order" for decades. They've been the party of "we are the law, and we order you to comply, or we will punish you".

So how are people allowed to vote for democrats?

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Money? I'm gonna go with money. It's certainly not actual effective concealment on account of us knowing all of the things they apparently concealed.

It was concealed for almost 10 years and only became public because of the trail. Seems like pretty effective concealment to me.

 

[tstorm823]

Now, I do get the impression that subtext, subtelty and reading comprension aren't your strongest suites, but bear with me here.

Now quit hiding behind semantics and vagueness...

I chose to be precise with my words, rather than accept whatever you want to put in my mouth, and you're accusing me of not understanding subtlety.

No, I understand subtlety quite thoroughly, which is why you're upset that I'm not saying the wrong things you want me to.

So as I said: complete baloney.

You only think people here are civil because you spend so much time arguing with me personally.

It was concealed for almost 10 years and only became public because of the trail. Seems like pretty effective concealment to me.

So she had an affair with registered Democrat Donald Trump. Half a decade passed quietly.
Cohen paid her not to talk while Trump was still donating to the campaigns of people like Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris. Half a decade passed quietly.
Trump ran as a Republican, now we know the whole story.

Do you think that's all coincidence? Do you think Trump was accidentally paying Democratic politicians?