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gorfias

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This movie was amazing when it came out. At the time, we had very little to go on in the way of the super hero genre. We are so lucky we got what we got. Adults who were making movies at the time thought the Batman TV show was more or less what these movies should be like (and they slipped into that tone by Superman 3, 4 and Supergirl.) This had some camp, but in comparison, it was a pretty straight up super hero movie.

I do wish some random act had not freed the trio but some kind of distortion caused by Superman in 1 when he changed time, even though his dad told him it was forbidden. There should have been a price to pay.

Another amusing thing: the Superman and 1980s and 90s Batman movies kept having villains more interesting than the hero. More recentlly, when you have heroes fighting heroes, its almost like they're having trouble making compelling villains (Thor the Dark World, the Mandarin, Shang Chi, etc.)

The Lois/Superman romance is vital to the movie. Without it, you don't have the diner scenes and the gravity of when (not in the 1st cut) Superman shows up and asks Zod if he'd care to step outside, which is one of my single favorite movie moments ever.

EDIT: And, yeah, what was that!?!?

 
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This movie was amazing when it came out. At the time, we had very little to go on in the way of the super hero genre. We are so lucky we got what we got. Adults who were making movies at the time thought the Batman TV show was more or less what these movies should be like (and they slipped into that tone by Superman 3, 4 and Supergirl.) This had some camp, but in comparison, it was a pretty straight up super hero movie.

I do wish some random act had not freed the trio but some kind of distortion caused by Superman in 1 when he changed time, even though his dad told him it was forbidden. There should have been a price to pay.

Another amusing thing: the Superman and 1980s and 90s Batman movies kept having villains more interesting than the hero. More recentlly, when you have heroes fighting heroes, its almost like they're having trouble making compelling villains (Thor the Dark World, the Mandarin, Shang Chi, etc.)

The Lois/Superman romance is vital to the movie. Without it, you don't have the diner scenes and the gravity of when (not in the 1st cut) Superman shows up and asks Zod if he'd care to step outside, which is one of my single favorite movie moments ever.

EDIT: And, yeah, what was that!?!?

I agree that the romance was vital to the movie as it was written, my issue was with the writing making it as vital as it was. It just made it feel like Superman honestly felt like his feelings for Lois were more important than literally anyone else's protection, which didn't really sit right with me.
 

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Manhunter, 6/10

This is the first adaptation of Thomas Harris' Red Dragon, ie. the book that gave us Hannibal Lecter. This somewhat forgotten, made for TV version is one of Michael Mann's first films, and stars Brian Cox as Lecter. If you've seen the version with Anthony Hopkins, or the last season of the Hannibal TV show then you know the plot.

It's pretty good, and for a TV movie from 1986 holds up remarkably well. It's got some really nice cinematography for its meager budget, and the performances are all terrific. Brian Cox's version of Lecter is much less showy than either Mads Mikkelsen or Anthony Hopkins, who were by no means scenery-chewing. Cox plays the role very groundedly, and gives Lecter an almost jovial vibe in his very limited screentime. Most of the movie is taken up by the police investigation and hunt for the serial killer who in this version is called the "Tooth Fairy". The soundtrack is decidedly 80s, but fitting and atmospheric. The psychological element is also done quite well, with Graham on a clearly downward trajectory towards his darker side, and the line between good and evil blurs quite a bit.

It's not all good though. I couldn't help but think that unfamiliarity with the source material hurts this movie pretty seriously. There are allusions and hints at plot and character elements that I know carry huge significance, but the film itself doesn't explain nearly at all. For example the element of Will Graham's excessive empathy that enables him to profile serial killer so well is never explained or elaborated on, but there are a few scenes where it's shown. And I can only imagine Graham talking to himself while watching the TV seeming not just confusing, but downright cheesy to unfamiliar audiences. The extensive detail on the investigation isn't always the most engaging to follow, and sometimes the budget shows itself in awkward ways like jump cuts or continuity errors.
 

gorfias

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Manhunter, 6/10

This is the first adaptation of Thomas Harris' Red Dragon, ie. the book that gave us Hannibal Lecter. This somewhat forgotten, made for TV version is one of Michael Mann's first films, and stars Brian Cox as Lecter. If you've seen the version with Anthony Hopkins, or the last season of the Hannibal TV show then you know the plot.

It's pretty good, and for a TV movie from 1986 holds up remarkably well. It's got some really nice cinematography for its meager budget, and the performances are all terrific. Brian Cox's version of Lecter is much less showy than either Mads Mikkelsen or Anthony Hopkins, who were by no means scenery-chewing. Cox plays the role very groundedly, and gives Lecter an almost jovial vibe in his very limited screentime. Most of the movie is taken up by the police investigation and hunt for the serial killer who in this version is called the "Tooth Fairy". The soundtrack is decidedly 80s, but fitting and atmospheric. The psychological element is also done quite well, with Graham on a clearly downward trajectory towards his darker side, and the line between good and evil blurs quite a bit.

It's not all good though. I couldn't help but think that unfamiliarity with the source material hurts this movie pretty seriously. There are allusions and hints at plot and character elements that I know carry huge significance, but the film itself doesn't explain nearly at all. For example the element of Will Graham's excessive empathy that enables him to profile serial killer so well is never explained or elaborated on, but there are a few scenes where it's shown. And I can only imagine Graham talking to himself while watching the TV seeming not just confusing, but downright cheesy to unfamiliar audiences. The extensive detail on the investigation isn't always the most engaging to follow, and sometimes the budget shows itself in awkward ways like jump cuts or continuity errors.
Worth the price of admission for me...

 

Bartholen

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Rewatched Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves on Netflix and man, this movie deserved so much better. It really was everything a lot of movie aficionados are clamoring for these days: a character-focused original story with heart, using an established IP without relying on the "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS" factor, genuinely funny humor that lampshades itself without devolving into Marvel quippage, fun performances, really good and inventive fight scenes, great practical effects, sets and locations... such a shame it flopped. This had the makings of the next Pirates of the Caribbean all over it, but it just didn't stick.
 

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The Unknown Soldier (2017)
Based on a famous Finnish piece of WWII-literature that's been successfully adapted into movies in the 50s and the 80s, director Aku Louhimies set out to make a movie that looks good and has a veritable feel to it. I like how well they shot (with armament as well as the movie camera) it in the forest. A great movie with great performances from the actors. Owes a lot to great source material, and frankly the "artistic liberty" through Louhimies doesn't uplift this adaptation above the previous ones. With one exception: Pirkka-Pekka Petelius (a famous long-running comedian and actor) returns from the 1985 movie's cast, where he played one of the main characters, to another role where he gets killed off quickly. A solid 3 stars out of 4.
 

thebobmaster

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Thaluikhain

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Rewatched Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves on Netflix and man, this movie deserved so much better. It really was everything a lot of movie aficionados are clamoring for these days: a character-focused original story with heart, using an established IP without relying on the "I KNOW WHAT THAT IS" factor, genuinely funny humor that lampshades itself without devolving into Marvel quippage, fun performances, really good and inventive fight scenes, great practical effects, sets and locations... such a shame it flopped. This had the makings of the next Pirates of the Caribbean all over it, but it just didn't stick.
I didn't like the film at first, but it grew on me. The main character is annoying, but the druid did some cool shapeshifting and the evil witch wasn't bad either.
 

Agema

Do everything and feel nothing
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The Substance (2024)

Body horror directed by Coralie Fargeat, and starring Demi Moore as an acclaimed actress turned TV fitness presenter called Elisabeth Sparkle forced to confront the cruelty of how older women are sidelined and rendered irrelevant. Fired and demoralised, she is offered a trial of "The Substance", a mysterious and radical procedure that will give her a chance of rediscovering a younger, fresher self. You know how right from the start, as an egg yolk is injected with The Substance, and out from it pops a nicer, rounder, duplicate yolk. (This transparently breaks the laws of physics on conservation of matter, but I guess we can let that go). And so she finds herself in the near-deserted, grubby alleys of Los Angeles, picking up her orders from a deeply suspicious hidden drop-box area to begin her initiation into experimental medical treatments. Needless to say, things are going to go wrong.

Let's start off by saying this has a superb central performance by Moore, potentially her career best: bold, compelling and convincing. Margaret Qualley also effectively sells the younger version of her, and Dennis Quaid finishes up the main characters by hamming it up to 11 as a greasily repellent network executive. Those core performances are a major anchor for the rest of the film. The body horror is what you might expect from Cronenberg. It is glossy, highly stylised and beautifully shot - reminiscent perhaps of the Neon Demon (also shot by a European director), and elements of Kubrick, with a vivid colour scheme. There is also a sense of emptiness about the film, perhaps accentuating the faded glory and social isolation of Elisabeth Sparkle, and some evolcative design choices.

This is a horror and feels like it, perfectly capable of some wince-inducing unpleasantness and tension. Although it's not also without its humour, and sometimes I'm not sure it gets the balance quite right, especially nearer the end. It is also a scathing commentary on the industry - particularly the casual and endemic sexism (exemplified by Quaid's nakedly ogling executive and the identikit old white male network shareholders). It throws much of this in our face: many of the shots of the two leads are perfect versions of the leering, objectifying worst of TV, film and music videos. So we watch as the audience, uncomfortably complicit in exactly what the film is disapproving of. Elisabeth is everywhere confronted with her irrelevance and replacement by younger, hotter models. Alongside this a hint of Sunset Boulevard - the addiction of fame and adulation, and the desperate desire to still be on top. I wouldn't say this film's messaging is particularly deep and it's definitely not subtle, but it certainly works.

As with many highly stylised films, The Substance is probably a relatively difficult ask for many viewers. I would argue it is around 20-30 mins too long, and I feel it loses substantial grip towards the end: whilst the last act has taken cues from what comes before, it's also a major shift in tone. But you have to give credit to films that try to do something different and succeed - and despite its imperfections, it certainly does succeed.
 

PsychedelicDiamond

Wild at Heart and weird on top
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Happiness (1998)

Very dark tragicomedy about a bunch of weird sex perverts being miserable in suburban New Jersey.

Less laconically, Todd Solondz Happiness deals with an ensemble cast of characters and the despair they suffer in their family, professional and relationship lives. Philipp Seymour Hoffman plays a... well, now we'd call him an "incel", back then he was just a middle aged creep with a crush on his neighbour, Jane Adams is a lonely English teacher teaching immigrants, Dylan Baker is a succesful psychiatrist and family father hiding the fact that he's a serial child molester.

Yeah, this is the kind of movie this is. It starts off mildly uncomfortable and unpleasant and gets grosser and sadder as it goes on. And I think there's something to be said about Solondz talents as a writer and director that as it gets grosser and sadder, it also gets funnier. Happiness never tries to claim that loneliness, sexual violence or pedophilia are funny but it does make a point of how people trying to keep up a sense of normalcy and decency alongside those things is kind of funny. All those fucked up people with their fucked up lives exist in a pastel colored suburban bubble they're afraid to burst.

Happiness is not exactly an easy movie to sit through and honestly, even harder to recommend. It's an unpleasant movie about unpleasant things that takes quite a while to cross that event horizon of becoming so absurdly uncomfortable it crosses over into being funny. But when it does you start to see the appeal in it. Almost all of these characters are so pathetic they seem to distort that flimsy field of normalcy they try to exist in until it breaks down in the most painful and most funny way you can imagine.

It helps that this has an ensemble cast of very talented character actors turning in incredibly realistic feeling performances, especially considering what is asked from some of them. Hoffman is as great as you'd expect from him but Dylan Baker especially deserves credit playing the All American next door child predator. His portrayal is great, precisely because he's not played like a genuine psychopath, but as a man just close enough to normalcy that he can successfully perform it for as long as he does.

I dunno, this is a really hard movie to recommend. But I did think it was pretty good, make no mistake. It's such a gross, weird, awkward, unpleasant little production about some of the many ways normalcy can be profoundly fucked up. Sort of an evil American Beauty without any of the sentimentality. If the whole "Dark Side of Americana" thing does it for you, this is a really good example of it.
 

Casual Shinji

Should've gone before we left.
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Happiness (1998)

Very dark tragicomedy about a bunch of weird sex perverts being miserable in suburban New Jersey.

Less laconically, Todd Solondz Happiness deals with an ensemble cast of characters and the despair they suffer in their family, professional and relationship lives. Philipp Seymour Hoffman plays a... well, now we'd call him an "incel", back then he was just a middle aged creep with a crush on his neighbour, Jane Adams is a lonely English teacher teaching immigrants, Dylan Baker is a succesful psychiatrist and family father hiding the fact that he's a serial child molester.

Yeah, this is the kind of movie this is. It starts off mildly uncomfortable and unpleasant and gets grosser and sadder as it goes on. And I think there's something to be said about Solondz talents as a writer and director that as it gets grosser and sadder, it also gets funnier. Happiness never tries to claim that loneliness, sexual violence or pedophilia are funny but it does make a point of how people trying to keep up a sense of normalcy and decency alongside those things is kind of funny. All those fucked up people with their fucked up lives exist in a pastel colored suburban bubble they're afraid to burst.

Happiness is not exactly an easy movie to sit through and honestly, even harder to recommend. It's an unpleasant movie about unpleasant things that takes quite a while to cross that event horizon of becoming so absurdly uncomfortable it crosses over into being funny. But when it does you start to see the appeal in it. Almost all of these characters are so pathetic they seem to distort that flimsy field of normalcy they try to exist in until it breaks down in the most painful and most funny way you can imagine.

It helps that this has an ensemble cast of very talented character actors turning in incredibly realistic feeling performances, especially considering what is asked from some of them. Hoffman is as great as you'd expect from him but Dylan Baker especially deserves credit playing the All American next door child predator. His portrayal is great, precisely because he's not played like a genuine psychopath, but as a man just close enough to normalcy that he can successfully perform it for as long as he does.

I dunno, this is a really hard movie to recommend. But I did think it was pretty good, make no mistake. It's such a gross, weird, awkward, unpleasant little production about some of the many ways normalcy can be profoundly fucked up. Sort of an evil American Beauty without any of the sentimentality. If the whole "Dark Side of Americana" thing does it for you, this is a really good example of it.
The conversations between Dylan Baker's character and his son starting off like almost a Full House 'what have we learned today' scene, but getting more and more disturbed, until you get to that final scene between the two... All this time the movie itself tried to paint over its own ugliness, but in that scene it just fully exposes how vile it is.

Happiness is probably the most balanced tragicomedy from Solondz. Welcome to the Dollhouse feels way more uncomfortable than the one with the pedofile in it surprisingly, Storytelling is kinda a bit too eager, and Palindromes is just miserable.
 

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The Wolfman: How? / Great

I'm skipping any synopsis; it's in the title. I just want to know how they pulled down this A-list cast and produce such a fetid turd of a film. Or conversely, how did such a fetid turd of a film pull down this A-list cast? Anthony Hopkins, Emily Blunt, Benicio del Toro, Hugo Weaving, and... and... THAT'S what they managed to make?!? That was bad even for a B film. I couldn't even finish it; still have about a half an hour to go, but was so entirely insulted that I couldn't be bothered. There's no conclusion to that movie that might salvage the whole in any substantive manner. Avoid at all cost.
 
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I fucking adore the framing of this movie as the fading memory of a dying man. As he dies he remembers Max, and then you find out it was the feral kid. It highlights the perishable nature of this setting. Everything goes bad so quickly, puncuated by seeing the feral kid still as a young bright-eyed boy in the back of that bus, and then hearing the old narrator's voice linking the two.

Also, that final shot of Max contrasted against that dark setting sun is one of the most gorgeous visuals I've ever seen in a movie.

Fucking love Mad Max 2!
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I never hated Thunderdome. A fine movie, despite all the problems with productions and unfortunate events. This movie still has one of the best Tina Turner songs ever made.

 

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I never hated Thunderdome. A fine movie, despite all the problems with productions and unfortunate events. This movie still has one of the best Tina Turner songs ever made.

I agree with both of those statements. I just felt the lighter tone to be a step down compared to the first and ESPECIALLY Road Warrior.
 

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The Wolfman: How? / Great

I'm skipping any synopsis; it's in the title. I just want to know how they pulled down this A-list cast and produce such a fetid turd of a film. Or conversely, how did such a fetid turd of a film pull down this A-list cast? Anthony Hopkins, Emily Blunt, Benicio del Toro, Hugo Weaving, and... and... THAT'S what they managed to make?!? That was bad even for a B film. I couldn't even finish it; still have about a half an hour to go, but was so entirely insulted that I couldn't be bothered. There's no conclusion to that movie that might salvage the whole in any substantive manner. Avoid at all cost.
Eh, it's a rule that A-List actors have to do some really god-awful stuff every so often. Though they are usually really ill-advised comedies.
 

Bartholen

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Eh, it's a rule that A-List actors have to do some really god-awful stuff every so often. Though they are usually really ill-advised comedies.
A-list actors being in awful stuff isn't uncommon, but it's far more rare for an awful movie to have a whole lineup of A-listers outside of Michael Bay films. And a whole heap of DC films. And Zack Snyder films. And... forget I said anything actually.
 
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... but it's far more rare for an awful movie to have a whole lineup of A-listers...
Which is why I took such exception with The Wolfman. It feels like the type of movie where amidst all the talent, SOMEONE should have said something or bailed on their part, but no; everyone stuck it out and put their name on it. I guess if your resume is is broad and noteworthy enough, you can afford a stinker every now and again, but what a unicorn it is when several notable talents have their stinkers converge in a single film.
 
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