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Republicans can be bad, that doesn't change the "you just hate us" bit. Open border policies don't make sense on any level. They do not advance peace, they do not promote prosperity, they aren't good for humanitarian efforts, it's crap on every level. The only reasons anyone supports open borders is if they are A) a Stalinist supporting crap positions on purpose because they want the west to collapse or B) so addicted the high of socially validated hatred that they oppose any policy Republicans support without any further consideration.
what do you think is going to happen if there are open borders?
 

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Except abortion is the only medical procedure and abortifacients the only class of drugs where the argument is that they can't/shouldn't be subject to whatever regulations the government invents. After all, a lot of abortion regulations before Roe was overturned were shit like mandating standards about the facility, or that the doctor involved have admitting privileges at the nearest hospital in case something goes wrong or something else that's very much setting up regulations and were widely attacked for being used as a way to functionally restrict abortion without directly doing so.
Well, this isn't the only condition that has very stupid regulations that are trying to stop it from happening. That's more of an anti-health care move from people how think medicine is anti-God and interfering with destiny. Anti-abortion people are just using this to get what they want and pretending it's normal

How is an abortion not private in a way that any other prescription or medical procedure is? That the government can ban it being performed or regulate conditions under which it is? Because they have that authority for other procedures (see FGM for the obvious example where it is outright banned). I doubt most would make a medical privacy argument for why we can't ban circumcision, either.

Related: I don't see anyone arguing that the government doesn't have the full authority and power to restrict or ban other drugs, devices (and by extension procedures that require those devices), etc.
Is there a ban on circumcision? Is there anything close? Anyway...

I would imagine it would be classed as a religious practice so it wouldn't need to go to privacy grounds.

But, let's pretend it's no longer a religious thing so the next step WOULD be seeing if falls under privacy. Then it comes back to the Roe decision. The privacy is temporary, and you start losing it when hurting another entity.

So, most medical treatments don't hurt other people

Circumcision ONLY hurts a person. It should be banned for parents to do to their kids.

Abortion hurts another entity at a certain number of weeks with disagreement on that number. Remember, Roe was a Pro-Life and Anti-Choice decision. You were allowed privacy for your decision until a certain number of weeks (it changed over time)

Now, ADULT circumcision shouldn't be banned. If that's your religious choice as an adult, that's fine. All privacy to you.

But parents fucking around with children's genitalia is hurting someone else... you know just like gender transitions where it's illegal for parents to do anything with a child's genitalia. Similarly, putting your child into gay conversion therapy, even though is utter nonsense and tends to just prolong the inevitable, should be allowed until it starts hurting people. Unfortunately, it's mostly torture. Thus probably should be banned until 18 and if you decide on doing it yourself, so be jt
 

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Republicans can be bad, that doesn't change the "you just hate us" bit. Open border policies don't make sense on any level. They do not advance peace, they do not promote prosperity, they aren't good for humanitarian efforts, it's crap on every level. The only reasons anyone supports open borders is if they are A) a Stalinist supporting crap positions on purpose because they want the west to collapse or B) so addicted the high of socially validated hatred that they oppose any policy Republicans support without any further consideration.
Neither A or B is a real thing. Pretending Stalin would use this tactic is laughable. Did you mean Putin? He doesn't understand what benefits soceity. Open border wouldn't destroy society. It survived for millennia with it fine. When the US border was open, the overall economy was doing well and has been slowly choked as the border nonsense continues.

I'm not that into open borders myself, Id like some checks but what the Dems proposed is so overbearing you realise they are just appealing to racists. Because whenever people use the word soceity here, they just mean white people being the dominate demographic. I.e. it's got nothing to so with soceity

Would you like to try again? Ill give you a clue, there is definitely one about pro-Capitalism and one about refugees and one about workers uniting
 

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Thank you Onion for reminding us that we need a united front to stand up to tyranny!
 

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I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say so I'm just going to nod my head and smile
He's saying you think you dont do black and white but really you do.

It's got a lot more to do with what you answer Tstorm back with. It makes it seem like you don't like certain things over others but its just what they see. Eg. Obama started drone strikes. I'm 99% sure you complained about it back in 2016. If you complain about it now, Tstorm could say that you just agreeing its bad because the GOP liked it too. This nonsense was started by the Dems. Or I really detested the US paying the Mexican army to kill refugees under Obama. The GOP got rid of that but because they wanted to save money, not give Mexico anything and create an immigrants crisis. There are plenty of reason to detest the Dems but Tstorm might not care about thus so they aren't going to react, and it won't stay in their mind
 

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what do you think is going to happen if there are open borders?
The inability to enforce laws. People easily fleeing beyond the jurisdiction of law enforcement undermines every law.
The inability to protect those inside the border. You cannot grant meaningful asylum without keeping out what people are running from.
And also the general worsening of the entire world, as the entire planet and the people on it are, all else being equal, better off when people improve the place they live rather than run from it.
Neither A or B is a real thing. Pretending Stalin would use this tactic is laughable. Did you mean Putin? He doesn't understand what benefits soceity. Open border wouldn't destroy society. It survived for millennia with it fine. When the US border was open, the overall economy was doing well and has been slowly choked as the border nonsense continues.
You may misunderstand my comment about Stalinists. It isn't that Stalin would open his borders, it's that he encouraged his allies in rival nations to implement policies like that to deliberately destroy those places from within. That is a large part of how the Nazis got into power, the Stalinist faction was trying to accelerate the destruction of Germany so that Stalin could roll in with the tanks and conquer them.

Society did not survive "just fine" for millenia. Societies were plagued by violence, hatred, and war for millenia. And we still are to an extent, but we've developed systems of governance that are diminishing the problems progressively better. Established borders are sort of a big deal, and everywhere on earth where a border becomes ambiguous, it makes things worse for people on both sides of that border.
 

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He's saying you think you dont do black and white but really you do.

It's got a lot more to do with what you answer Tstorm back with. It makes it seem like you don't like certain things over others but its just what they see. Eg. Obama started drone strikes. I'm 99% sure you complained about it back in 2016. If you complain about it now, Tstorm could say that you just agreeing its bad because the GOP liked it too. This nonsense was started by the Dems. Or I really detested the US paying the Mexican army to kill refugees under Obama. The GOP got rid of that but because they wanted to save money, not give Mexico anything and create an immigrants crisis. There are plenty of reason to detest the Dems but Tstorm might not care about thus so they aren't going to react, and it won't stay in their mind
I didn't back then but only because I wasn't very politically active until after Obama (who ironically is the one who really pushed me into being more active and anti-Democrat; #CHANGE my big fat ass!).

I imagine Obama was responsible for a lot of "radicalization" like mine that has happened over this last decade as he said all the right things and then jammed a knife in our collective backs as he decided RvW wasn't important enough to push for, bailed out banks and let everyone in charge skate away while the people suffered for their greed, passed RomneyCare so people stopped pushing for ACTUAL change, drone strikes, etc etc

Edit: I misread, 2016 is when I would have really started to jump in since that's when Obama ended. So I probably did ***** about Obama and Democrats for their bullshit and hypocrisy come 2016 😅
 
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Her lead has been lower than Biden in 2020 since the beginning honestly. Trump is probably in. Can't believe it, its truly bizarre.

Democrat really need to learn that helping people/worker does not pay in the slightest. Course they won't have another shoot at power now.
I think Kamala's popularity peaked with the July switcheroo, and maintaining that kind of momemtum is hard when you're fighting two fronts - distancing yourself from one administration while trying to stop another. She ends up answering for all the flak Biden should be catching. Ultimately her appeal is that she is not Donald Trump.

The week before the 2020 elections, Biden was polling +7.9%. He won by +4.5%. Kamala is at +1.1% only 10 days away from elections.
 

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I think Kamala's popularity peaked with the July switcheroo, and maintaining that kind of momemtum is hard when you're fighting two fronts - distancing yourself from one administration while trying to stop another. She ends up answering for all the flak Biden should be catching. Ultimately her appeal is that she is not Donald Trump.

The week before the 2020 elections, Biden was polling +7.9%. He won by +4.5%. Kamala is at +1.1% only 10 days away from elections.
His national poll was 4.5, but in reality he won by like a few tens of thousands cause of the stupid electoral college. So yeah, Trump is almost sure to win. So glad I'm not american atm.
 

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The same was true of Biden. He won.
The same was true of Hillary and she lost.

I think Kamala's popularity peaked with the July switcheroo, and maintaining that kind of momemtum is hard when you're fighting two fronts - distancing yourself from one administration while trying to stop another. She ends up answering for all the flak Biden should be catching. Ultimately her appeal is that she is not Donald Trump.

The week before the 2020 elections, Biden was polling +7.9%. He won by +4.5%. Kamala is at +1.1% only 10 days away from elections.
Yeah, picking Walz kept that momentum up, then she swerved hard right and all that momentum crashed.
 
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His national poll was 4.5, but in reality he won by like a few tens of thousands cause of the stupid electoral college. So yeah, Trump is almost sure to win. So glad I'm not american atm.
Polls may not fall the same way, the pollsters may have figured out not to purposely oversample Democrats by 6%.
 

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The inability to enforce laws. People easily fleeing beyond the jurisdiction of law enforcement undermines every law.
it doesn't undermine any law with a punishment less than exile pretty much by definition, though I guess how one weighs exile against other punishments is a little arbitrary. also, open borders doesn't necessarily imply that people can leave a country while there is a warrant for their arrest, or that they could get to a place without an extradition treaty.

The inability to protect those inside the border. You cannot grant meaningful asylum without keeping out what people are running from.
do you have a concrete example of border controls being relevant to this?

And also the general worsening of the entire world, as the entire planet and the people on it are, all else being equal, better off when people improve the place they live rather than run from it.
Mr. Gorbachev, maintain this wall!
 
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In 2024, it may not be nearly enough for Harris to not be Donald Trump. She also has to not be Biden, which I think is what's been killing her lead these past couple of months.
Is Biden so disliked? I fully admit I'm going mostly of off vibes, but the impression I've got is that he doesn't instill any strong reactions. Like if I were to describe what the worst people think of the politicians are, I would write:
Clinton: "Oh gods, not her!"
Trump: "Oh gods, not him!"
Biden: *sigh* "Look, I really disagree with his policies."