US 2024 Presidential Election
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Harris' lead keeps shrinking. Down to +1.1%.
Her lead has been lower than Biden in 2020 since the beginning honestly. Trump is probably in. Can't believe it, its truly bizarre.
Democrat really need to learn that helping people/worker does not pay in the slightest. Course they won't have another shoot at power now.
Well, this isn't the only condition that has very stupid regulations that are trying to stop it from happening. That's more of an anti-health care move from people how think medicine is anti-God and interfering with destiny. Anti-abortion people are just using this to get what they want and pretending it's normal
Neither A or B is a real thing. Pretending Stalin would use this tactic is laughable. Did you mean Putin? He doesn't understand what benefits soceity. Open border wouldn't destroy society. It survived for millennia with it fine. When the US border was open, the overall economy was doing well and has been slowly choked as the border nonsense continues.
I'm not that into open borders myself, Id like some checks but what the Dems proposed is so overbearing you realise they are just appealing to racists. Because whenever people use the word soceity here, they just mean white people being the dominate demographic. I.e. it's got nothing to so with soceity
Would you like to try again? Ill give you a clue, there is definitely one about pro-Capitalism and one about refugees and one about workers uniting
He's saying you think you dont do black and white but really you do.
I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say so I'm just going to nod my head and smile
It's got a lot more to do with what you answer Tstorm back with. It makes it seem like you don't like certain things over others but its just what they see. Eg. Obama started drone strikes. I'm 99% sure you complained about it back in 2016. If you complain about it now, Tstorm could say that you just agreeing its bad because the GOP liked it too. This nonsense was started by the Dems. Or I really detested the US paying the Mexican army to kill refugees under Obama. The GOP got rid of that but because they wanted to save money, not give Mexico anything and create an immigrants crisis. There are plenty of reason to detest the Dems but Tstorm might not care about thus so they aren't going to react, and it won't stay in their mind
The inability to enforce laws. People easily fleeing beyond the jurisdiction of law enforcement undermines every law.
The inability to protect those inside the border. You cannot grant meaningful asylum without keeping out what people are running from.
And also the general worsening of the entire world, as the entire planet and the people on it are, all else being equal, better off when people improve the place they live rather than run from it.
You may misunderstand my comment about Stalinists. It isn't that Stalin would open his borders, it's that he encouraged his allies in rival nations to implement policies like that to deliberately destroy those places from within. That is a large part of how the Nazis got into power, the Stalinist faction was trying to accelerate the destruction of Germany so that Stalin could roll in with the tanks and conquer them.
Society did not survive "just fine" for millenia. Societies were plagued by violence, hatred, and war for millenia. And we still are to an extent, but we've developed systems of governance that are diminishing the problems progressively better. Established borders are sort of a big deal, and everywhere on earth where a border becomes ambiguous, it makes things worse for people on both sides of that border.
I didn't back then but only because I wasn't very politically active until after Obama (who ironically is the one who really pushed me into being more active and anti-Democrat; #CHANGE my big fat ass!).
I imagine Obama was responsible for a lot of "radicalization" like mine that has happened over this last decade as he said all the right things and then jammed a knife in our collective backs as he decided RvW wasn't important enough to push for, bailed out banks and let everyone in charge skate away while the people suffered for their greed, passed RomneyCare so people stopped pushing for ACTUAL change, drone strikes, etc etc
Edit: I misread, 2016 is when I would have really started to jump in since that's when Obama ended. So I probably did ***** about Obama and Democrats for their bullshit and hypocrisy come 2016
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I think Kamala's popularity peaked with the July switcheroo, and maintaining that kind of momemtum is hard when you're fighting two fronts - distancing yourself from one administration while trying to stop another. She ends up answering for all the flak Biden should be catching. Ultimately her appeal is that she is not Donald Trump.
The week before the 2020 elections, Biden was polling +7.9%. He won by +4.5%. Kamala is at +1.1% only 10 days away from elections.
His national poll was 4.5, but in reality he won by like a few tens of thousands cause of the stupid electoral college. So yeah, Trump is almost sure to win. So glad I'm not american atm.
The same was true of Hillary and she lost.
Yeah, picking Walz kept that momentum up, then she swerved hard right and all that momentum crashed.
She had the downside of being Hillary.
In 2020, it was enough for Biden to merely not be Donald Trump.
In 2024, it may not be nearly enough for Harris to not be Donald Trump. She also has to not be Biden, which I think is what's been killing her lead these past couple of months.
"Not Donald Trump" may not cut it anymore.
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Polls may not fall the same way, the pollsters may have figured out not to purposely oversample Democrats by 6%.
it doesn't undermine any law with a punishment less than exile pretty much by definition, though I guess how one weighs exile against other punishments is a little arbitrary. also, open borders doesn't necessarily imply that people can leave a country while there is a warrant for their arrest, or that they could get to a place without an extradition treaty.
do you have a concrete example of border controls being relevant to this?
Mr. Gorbachev, maintain this wall!
Is Biden so disliked? I fully admit I'm going mostly of off vibes, but the impression I've got is that he doesn't instill any strong reactions. Like if I were to describe what the worst people think of the politicians are, I would write:
Clinton: "Oh gods, not her!"
Trump: "Oh gods, not him!"
Biden: *sigh* "Look, I really disagree with his policies."