Makes you wonder if it's intentional, you know? Same happened in 2016. If they try to lift up people's spirit and instill some hope in them that normalcy will prevail only to make it all the more demoralizing when they pull the rug out under you.God, I'm still getting Times Radio video recommendations from three days ago in my feed with titles like 'Trump has already lost, and this is what cost him'. It's so fucking embarressing how many of these channels were counting their chickens.
It's just clicks.Makes you wonder if it's intentional, you know? Same happened in 2016. If they try to lift up people's spirit and instill some hope in them that normalcy will prevail only to make the eventual loss more demoralizing.
It's hard not to see all of this as an attack on the collective mental well-being of people.
Just haven't been counted yet. The full results aren't in for a while yet.So this mysterious 15 million missing voters Democrats are blaming right now...
This was a weird way for you to tell me you lied about me saying Trump was the lesser evilLet's pretend you didnt
Trump is here. It doesn't matter what you voted. This is what you got. You're national representative
You should be happy. It's what you advocated for
Maybe if Harris didn't try to convince everyone that The Lesser Evil included a fucking Genocide, she'd be the next president of The United StatesAnd now that lesser evil will continue unimpeded under an even greater evil. Enjoy watching the critical voices for the Palestinian genocide evaporate now that they're scrambling to look after their own safety.
Do you really think that would've been the tipping point?Maybe if Harris didn't try to convince everyone that The Lesser Evil included a fucking Genocide, she'd be the next president of The United States
I don't think she would. The numbers would be a little higher, but marginally so. The minuscule numbers attracted by the Greens show that those who rejected the Dems, by and large, weren't motivated by principle on Gaza or ecology or left-wing ideals.Maybe if Harris didn't try to convince everyone that The Lesser Evil included a fucking Genocide, she'd be the next president of The United States
Do you really think that would've been the tipping point?
Throwing you both in here since it's the same answerI don't think she would. It wouldn't have changed it. The minuscule numbers attracted by the Greens show that those who rejected the Dems, by and large, weren't motivated by principle on Gaza or ecology or left-wing ideals.
Obviously, they'd still be the right principles to embrace, because they're the moral and just things to do. But the American electorate doesn't give a shit and doesn't reward those things. They reward hate.
The plural of anecdote is not data, but there did seem to be a lot of people angry at Israel and the US, in the US and elsewhere.Many mistakes were made by Democrats in this process so I can't objectively say for certain that this issue alone would have saved them but personally, yes, I think more Americans have a conscious than Democrats expected.
I think it made a significant difference in Michigan. The demographic info seems to support that, with a corresponding increase for the Greens, and a large Muslim population.Throwing you both in here since it's the same answer
100% I do think Genocide was a tipping point
We'll never actually know but Trump didn't gain votes, Harris lost a ton of votes. She fucked up something fierce SOMEWHERE and telling voters that if Democrats don't get to do a little genocide because The Other Guy will do a genocide instead feels like the kind of thing that would be frowned upon by many voters (especially given how fucking smug Kamala "I'm Speaking" Harris was about it).
Many mistakes were made by Democrats in this process so I can't objectively say for certain that this issue alone would have saved them but personally, yes, I think more Americans have a conscious than Democrats expected.
For 2024 there's no use in playing the blame game but it sure as hell will help in 2028 if The Democrats don't figure out that getting more right wing is when they get their teeth kicked in. They couldn't wait even a week before they started lashing out and blaming everything and everyone on their loss EXCEPT for their own campaign and sliding right.Can we give it a rest now? Yes, I believe it would have been better for the US/world if more people voted for Harris, but it's a bit late arguing that now. Over and done with, maybe in 4 years time there's another election where it matters, maybe not. Can drop it for the moment.
Trump is currently less than 1 million votes under his 2020 total with about 10 million more votes to count. Chances are good he beats his 2020 total by like 4 million.We'll never actually know but Trump didn't gain votes.
Oh, the Democrat leadership should be figuring out who is to blame, but on this forum, where none of us have any real power, blaming each other isn't productive.For 2024 there's no use in playing the blame game but it sure as hell will help in 2028 if The Democrats don't figure out that getting more right wing is when they get their teeth kicked in. They couldn't wait even a week before they started lashing out and blaming everything and everyone on their loss EXCEPT for their own campaign and sliding right.
If this is going to continue to be the lesson they get from their teeth getting kicked in, short of another Covid showing up and bailing Democrats out like it did for 2020, we're gonna be getting Republicans in office until they either implode for good or they figure their own shit out.
But it sure is fun!Oh, the Democrat leadership should be figuring out who is to blame, but on this forum, where none of us have any real power, blaming each other isn't productive.
Yes and no.Last time I looked, things were going terribly economically for Milei. Has it gotten any better
The problem is she couldn’t even get through an Oprah interview without her looking like wanted to crawl under a table to hide from it all (and she was her biggest advocate!), or a basic CBS interview without it being edited to make her sound better, which is why there’s no way in hell she was going to do 3 hour unedited podcasts with Rogan like both Trump and Vance did. She can’t have a normal conversation to save her life without having it take place in a controlled environment or mentioning how evil Trump is every other sentence, and getting every rich and famous person to back her up on it.Kamala Harris had way more extensive policy written out than the Trump campaign did, and she talked about policy in interviews way more than Trump did. No one cared or saw it.
Trump's crazy raving gets clicks, Kamala's policy discussions don't. Trump sitting in a dump truck or pretending to work at a McDonalds gets thousands of memes, but there's nothing fun about discussing actual policy so people don't see it.
Trump won because talking about Trump was fun for people, it became a hobby, a part of people's personalities. Liking or hating Trump is a pass time for people. In 2 years people will barely remember that Harris existed, in the same way that I bet most Americans can't name the candidates who lost against Obama and Bush.
Whether you like him or not Trump is an American icon, and you can't topple an icon in 3 months. That's why he won.