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We get some insight into how Elmo Muskrat plans to be so goshdarn efficient.

Ask "high IQ" individuals to work 80-hour weeks for no pay.

Why didn't anyone else think of that! Genius!
It’s no surprise the guy who’s villain origin story involved an apartheid mine expect people to work for free
 

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It’s no surprise the guy who’s villain origin story involved an apartheid mine expect people to work for free
Nah, "employment is a privilege the plebs should be grateful we grant them" is actually a pretty common sentiment among tech bro wealthy.
 

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I literally told you the testimony I was referring to. His ex-GF, several people present at a sex-and-drugs party with him, and a witness to a Greenberg-Gaetz phone call.
You're combining things that aren't necessarily combined. One person has alleged Gaetz was at a sex-and-drugs party, and that's Greenberg, a man who is convicted of sex trafficking, and accused of attempted blackmail. Everyone else has only been shown to say that Gaetz knows Greenberg and met that girl at a party. For all we know, if you take out Greenberg's claims, the party they met at was a 4th of July picnic. They report the Venmo payment listing a girls nickname, but we don't know what that nickname is, or who the girl is, or any of the events around it, and the detail that's that girl's nickname again comes from Greenberg.
If you wrack your brains, you can think of a reason for investigators to be interested in payments with a memo referring to a woman, that were then relayed to three women, via a sex trafficker.
You don't even need to wrack your brains to think of reasons why investigators might drop the case. It's perfectly reasonable to investigate Gaetz based on Greenberg's testimony alone. And then law enforcement did investigate, and determined their only evidence of him actually committing a crime was a sex criminal's testimony, and they dropped it.
Though, I didn't call him a "known pedophile"
You didn't, someone else did, and you jumped in to defend statements you don't even agree with, as is tradition.
Anyway, yes, when a Democrat has this many question marks hanging over their head, i wouldn't want them near the office either. You, on the other hand, were vociferously condemning Biden over the Ukraine thing on much shakier ground.
I was not condemning Joe Biden over the Ukraine thing. I condemned Hunter Biden for taking money from questionable sources for pretending he could influence US foreign policy through his father. I thought an investigation into Joe about it would be perfectly reasonable. But as far as Joe, I have always maintained that the most likely situation is that he just has a bunch of sucky family members, which I think people can sympathize with. I have never asserted more than a slight possibility that Joe was actively involved in overseas influence peddling.

And like, it's amazing in context that you would bring this up. The suggestion from Trump that Biden should be investigated is, to you, an impeachable offense. But now with Gaetz, it's "you can think of a reason why investigators might be interested". The hypocrisy here is so blatant. A Republican can be investigated by law enforcement and left without charges and you still think them guilty, but the suggestion of an investigation into a Democrat is a crime against the nation worthy of impeachment.
 

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You're combining things that aren't necessarily combined. One person has alleged Gaetz was at a sex-and-drugs party, and that's Greenberg, a man who is convicted of sex trafficking, and accused of attempted blackmail. Everyone else has only been shown to say that Gaetz knows Greenberg and met that girl at a party. For all we know, if you take out Greenberg's claims, the party they met at was a 4th of July picnic.
This is untrue. Court filings refer to three eyewitnesses.

They report the Venmo payment listing a girls nickname, but we don't know what that nickname is, or who the girl is, or any of the events around it, and the detail that's that girl's nickname again comes from Greenberg.
Indeed we don't. Hence investigation. But payments to a sex trafficker, referencing women, which were then paid onto multiple women, is suspect.

You don't even need to wrack your brains to think of reasons why investigators might drop the case. It's perfectly reasonable to investigate Gaetz based on Greenberg's testimony alone. And then law enforcement did investigate, and determined their only evidence of him actually committing a crime was a sex criminal's testimony, and they dropped it.
The DOJ dropped it. The House Ethics Committee didn't. Until he resigned conveniently a couple of days before the report was due, leaving their jurisdiction.

You didn't, someone else did, and you jumped in to defend statements you don't even agree with, as is tradition.
Actually, I commented on this before him. When you leapt in to defend the honour of a Republican and keep the brand clean, you then gave such an egregiously simplistic and selective description that it needed correction.

And like, it's amazing in context that you would bring this up. The suggestion from Trump that Biden should be investigated is, to you, an impeachable offense. But now with Gaetz, it's "you can think of a reason why investigators might be interested". The hypocrisy here is so blatant. A Republican can be investigated by law enforcement and left without charges and you still think them guilty, but the suggestion of an investigation into a Democrat is a crime against the nation worthy of impeachment.
It's almost as if pressuring a foreign state to open a partisan investigation into a political rival isn't the same thing as a domestic agency investigating a representative of their own volition! And it's almost as if there's far more reason to suspect Gaetz of solicitation etc than to suspect Biden of financial malfeasance!

You accuse of hypocrisy freely to deflect from your own. That's transparent.
 
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Everyone who called me out on my last post, you're right, and I legitimately apologize. This is why I try not to actively get drawn into debates in general. I tend to take things too personally for too long, and I was still feeling very bitter about being told that I supported genocide because I voted for Kamala Harris, so I took way too much of what I saw as a cheap shot when shown that the other viable candidate did the exact same thing it was said Kamala Harris would do.

If any of that sounds sarcastic, just know it is because it's hard to communicate sincerity through text. I do legitimately wince at my reaction, and it takes a certain kind of person to have multiple people call them out and not at least consider if they might have been wrong, and in this case, I was.
 
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Wait and see what “ending the war quickly” will look like I guess. It’s not like our press has been able to hide the rest of the world’s opinion on what’s unfolded so far over the past thirteen months. The U.S. will always be beholden to Israel long as money is involved.
promises? What promises? Trump was famously pro Bibi the entire time. This isn’t as much Trump tricking them as much as those people maliciously choosing virtue signaling over Gaza