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Hey kids we're going to Disneyland in two weeks.
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Hey, are we going to Disneyland this land this weekend?
-Well, Disneyland is very expensive you know....

Fuck off.
Hey guess what the next sentence of the interview was?
Q: If the prices of groceries don't come down, will your presidency be a failure?

A: I don't think so. Look, they got them up. I'd like to bring them down. It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will. I think that energy is going to bring them down. I think a better supply chain is going to bring them down.
Let's extend your metaphor:

Hey, are we going to Disneyland this land this weekend?
-Well, Disneyland is very expensive you know.... but I think we can afford it.

You make this so easy.
 

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You know, if someone previously said something would definitely happen rapidly, and then said it "maybe will but it's hard", I'd apply a smidgen of tonal awareness and think they were laying the groundwork to let me down.
How do you expect to do tonal analysis on his words when you paraphrase both ends of it?

Have you never heard Trump brag that he's done things that nobody else could do, that everyone said was impossible? He says these things all the time (and gets away with it because the pundits are idiots who say every Republican campaign promise is impossible and a lie). You want to actually consider his words and think about his likely intentions, let me show you two possible explanations of saying something is hard, and you tell me which seems Trumpier.

He said: " It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will."

This could be:

A) Trump does not believe he can lower grocery prices, so he is trying to start carefully tempering expectations before he even takes office.
B) Trump is trying to inflate how great he is by elevating the challenges he promises to take on.

Which of those better matches that man's character?
 
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Trump's wording on prices are fairly unimportant.

The real question is whether he would force his corrupt buddies to stop price gauging at which we all know the answer is no. He's in office for them, not for you after all. One of the few policy ideas he did manage to float was tarrifs, so be prepared for things to get more expensive rather then less so.
 
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The real question is whether he would force his corrupt buddies to stop price gauging at which we all know the answer is no.
I would like you to imagine a right-winger suggesting that food prices are dictated by a cabal of George Soros' buddies, and tell me your opinion of their comments.
 

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I would like you to imagine a right-winger suggesting that food prices are dictated by a cabal of George Soros' buddies, and tell me your opinion of their comments.
My opinion would be "You voted for this shit, why are you complaining?"
 

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How do you expect to do tonal analysis on his words when you paraphrase both ends of it?
The tonal shift is so blindingly obvious in his actual words that the paraphrase is pretty immaterial, honestly.

Have you never heard Trump brag that he's done things that nobody else could do, that everyone said was impossible? He says these things all the time (and gets away with it because the pundits are idiots who say every Republican campaign promise is impossible and a lie). You want to actually consider his words and think about his likely intentions, let me show you two possible explanations of saying something is hard, and you tell me which seems Trumpier.

He said: " It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. But I think that they will."

This could be:

A) Trump does not believe he can lower grocery prices, so he is trying to start carefully tempering expectations before he even takes office.
B) Trump is trying to inflate how great he is by elevating the challenges he promises to take on.

Which of those better matches that man's character?
If it was taken independently, it would seem more like the latter. The fact that it's such a stark contrast with definitive promises pre-election is what's drawing suspicion.
 

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If it was taken independently, it would seem more like the latter. The fact that it's such a stark contrast with definitive promises pre-election is what's drawing suspicion.
It's not as though he volunteered the topic. He was asked "If the prices of groceries don't come down, will your presidency be a failure?" He answered in a way that strokes his own ego and denies them opportunity to claim he called himself a failure later on. I'm not saying it's a praiseworthy response, he's still being kind of a turd, just in a different way than you've all been lead to believe. I mean, "politician claimed with confidence he would accomplish the things that he hopes to accomplish but obviously can't guarantee" is not particularly hard-hitting journalism, but people are so desperate for things to criticize here, demand has apparently outstripped supply.
 

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It's not as though he volunteered the topic. He was asked "If the prices of groceries don't come down, will your presidency be a failure?" He answered in a way that strokes his own ego and denies them opportunity to claim he called himself a failure later on. I'm not saying it's a praiseworthy response, he's still being kind of a turd, just in a different way than you've all been lead to believe.
Please get this through your head: i am responding directly to the words he used, I am not being "lead".

I mean, "politician claimed with confidence he would accomplish the things that he hopes to accomplish but obviously can't guarantee" is not particularly hard-hitting journalism, but people are so desperate for things to criticize here, demand has apparently outstripped supply.
Uhrm, people have always criticised it when a politician definitively promises something, then backtracks or softens their commitment when they get the chance to fulfil the promise. That's one of the most common and reasonable things to call out. It's done with politicians across the board; this example isn't particularly more egregious than examples from Biden or a dozen other American pols that have also been rightly criticised.

The difference is that when it's Trump, you'll contort yourself into mental knots to defend the obvious shift.
 

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Please get this through your head: i am responding directly to the words he used, I am not being "lead".
I suppose I'm supposed to believe that you read the full interview before forming an opinion and concluded that the particular words Time chose to single out were a complete and appropriate summation of what he was saying.
The difference is that when it's Trump, you'll contort yourself into mental knots to defend the obvious shift.
That's not the difference. The difference is on you trying just so hard to defend whomever I disagree with. Get this through your head: if the roles here were reversed, this conversation would have ended already. If it was the Daily Wire instead of Time calling out Biden instead of Trump, and I posted it in here only to have you tell me that they cut Biden's quote one sentence short of his point to make him look bad, I would thank you for telling me.