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[Phoenixmgs]

So why did you start talking about FDA approval rather than that CDC recommendation for its usage? I don't think you really even know; you're just muddling everything together as what the evil guvment sez.

I never said approval. If I ever did say approval, it was a mistake.

I said this:

Recommending covid boosters, it was why the 2 FDA directors quit.

Then, I posted this:

Another mixed message came in August 2021: President Joe Biden promoted booster shots for American adults even though boosters had not been approved by the FDA yet.

A month later, the FDA advisory committee overwhelmingly voted against the recommendation to offer boosters to people under age 65, because there wasn’t enough evidence at the time that an extra dose would improve protection to people of all ages.

Paul Offit looks back on COVID-19, misinformation, and how public health lost the public’s trust in new book

"Tell Me When It's Over" chronicles the first years of the COVID-19 pandemic, and the mishaps of public health agencies.

www.inquirer.com

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Again, you gonna admit eating fat doesn't make you fat yet due to the overwhelming evidence point to that?

Who SPECIFICALLY is saying this?

If it's immunologist.... yeah they just want to stop people from dying. 50K Americans dying to the flu every years is stupid to them when they could reduce it to almost zero

The Dems and Republicans both understand that 100% coverage is almost impossible and costly so they settle for 50K dead Americans each year.... well at least until 2020. Now I don't know how many millions Republicans are willing to kill

Is there someone else?

Silvanus

I'm pretty sure you can't reduce the flu to almost zero as the flu shot isn't nearly as effective as you probably think it is. There's some randomized studies that show taking vitamin d is more effective than the flu shot against the flu. And if it's just the US being lazy about it, why does the rest of the world have issue with flu deaths? Also, kids are IIRC the primary driver of spreading the flu, so why not close schools for that then (instead of for covid when kids didn't spread covid)?

 

[Silvanus]

I never said approval. If I ever did say approval, it was a mistake.

I could believe that, if you hadn't been talking about the FDA.

Again, you gonna admit eating fat doesn't make you fat yet due to the overwhelming evidence point to that?

You keep just reducing this to "fats". Nobody is claiming unsaturated fats in moderation are making people fat. As soon as you present a question that isn't a simplistic strawman, I'll answer it in earnest.

Silvanus

No, I'm not saying "everyone needed a covid booster". This is a lie.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I could believe that, if you hadn't been talking about the FDA.



You keep just reducing this to "fats". Nobody is claiming unsaturated fats in moderation are making people fat. As soon as you present a question that isn't a simplistic strawman, I'll answer it in earnest.



No, I'm not saying "everyone needed a covid booster". This is a lie.

I did just quote myself with this source about the FDA. The fact that the president said everyone can get boosters before they were approved is problematic.

Another mixed message came in August 2021: President Joe Biden promoted booster shots for American adults even though boosters had not been approved by the FDA yet.

A month later, the FDA advisory committee overwhelmingly voted against the recommendation to offer boosters to people under age 65, because there wasn’t enough evidence at the time that an extra dose would improve protection to people of all ages.

Paul Offit looks back on COVID-19, misinformation, and how public health lost the public’s trust in new book

"Tell Me When It's Over" chronicles the first years of the COVID-19 pandemic, and the mishaps of public health agencies.

www.inquirer.com

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You did literally say this. People eating fatty foods (natural fats) helps in losing weight. Pretty much every study on low-fat diets shows it makes you lose less weight than if you ate a diet where you didn't cut out fats. Telling people not to have full fat dairy, eggs, red meat, etc is only causing people to gain more weight. Do you know that most people think the bad stuff on pizza is the cheese and the toppings? That's the healthy stuff! The crust and tomato sauce are horrible for you.

Food and drink with high fat content shouldn't be able to put "healthy" on the label in the middle of an obesity epidemic.

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You at least said it would be beneficial then if everyone got a booster.

 

[Silvanus]

I did just quote myself with this source about the FDA. The fact that the president said everyone can get boosters before they were approved is problematic.

OK, but that's not what you said in the post I referred to. You said the FDA approved things that "the science" said shouldn't be approved.

You did literally say this.

You say I "literally said this", and then quote me saying something that's clearly not the same.

You at least said it would be beneficial then if everyone got a booster.

What did I actually say?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

OK, but that's not what you said in the post I referred to. You said the FDA approved things that "the science" said shouldn't be approved.



You say I "literally said this", and then quote me saying something that's clearly not the same.



What did I actually say?

Like I said, if I said approval, then I made a mistake. The recommendation was the issue that caused other issues.

Why wouldn't something that has "high" fat be considered healthy in an obesity epidemic?

Why'd you produce a study that said that then?

 

[Silvanus]

Like I said, if I said approval, then I made a mistake. The recommendation was the issue that caused other issues.

And like I said, why were you then talking about the FDA?

Why wouldn't something that has "high" fat be considered healthy in an obesity epidemic?

Contextually, depending on the person, it could be a healthy choice. Labelling something as healthy means that's a very broad recommendation, for the population at large. And the American population at large has a massive calorie surplus, and already gets a huge amount of fat.

Why'd you produce a study that said that then?

I didn't. You can't read scientific papers well.

 

[Gergar12]

We are screwed—unchecked power in the hands of one party. The republican party has won.

 

[Thaluikhain]

We are screwed—unchecked power in the hands of one party. The republican party has won.

Mostly by the other team deciding to forfeit, though. Nothing stopping the Democrats, even now, from deciding to try doing things.

 

[Chimpzy]

https://www.axios.com/2025/02/12/democrats-jeffries-move-on-indivisible-trump

Scoop: Dems "pissed" at liberal groups MoveOn, Indivisible

A closed-door meeting for House Democrats this week included a gripe-fest directed at liberal grassroots organizations, sources tell Axios.
Why it matters: Members of the Steering and Policy Committee — with House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) in the room — on Monday complained activist groups like MoveOn and Indivisible have facilitated thousands of phone calls to members' offices.

• "People are pissed," a senior House Democrat who was at the meeting said of lawmakers' reaction to the calls.
• The Democrat said Jeffries himself is "very frustrated" at the groups, who are trying to stir up a more confrontational opposition to Trump.
• A Jeffries spokesperson disputed that characterization and noted to Axios that their office regularly engages with dozens of stakeholder groups, including MoveOn and Indivisible, including as recently as Monday

Zoom in: "There were a lot of people who were like, 'We've got to stop the groups from doing this.' ... People are concerned that they're saying we're not doing enough, but we're not in the majority," said one member.

• Some Democrats see the callers as barking up the wrong tree given their limited power as the minority party in Congress: "It's been a constant theme of us saying, 'Please call the Republicans,'" said Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.).
• "I reject and resent the implication that congressional Democrats are simply standing by passively," said Rep. Ritchie Torres (D-N.Y.).

The other side: "People are angry, scared, and they want to see more from their lawmakers right now than floor speeches about Elon Musk," Indivisible co-founder Leah Greenberg told Axios.

• "Indivisible is urging people who are scared to call their member of Congress, whether they have a Democrat or Republican, and make specific procedural asks," Greenberg said.
• "Our supporters are asking Democrats to demand specific red lines are met before they offer their vote to House Republicans on the budget, when Republicans inevitably fail to pass a bill on their own."
• MoveOn officials declined to comment.

"It's been a constant theme of us saying, 'Please call the Republicans,'" said Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.).

 

[Phoenixmgs]

And like I said, why were you then talking about the FDA?



Contextually, depending on the person, it could be a healthy choice. Labelling something as healthy means that's a very broad recommendation, for the population at large. And the American population at large has a massive calorie surplus, and already gets a huge amount of fat.



I didn't. You can't read scientific papers well.

4th time posting this...
A month later, the FDA advisory committee overwhelmingly voted against the recommendation to offer boosters to people under age 65, because there wasn’t enough evidence at the time that an extra dose would improve protection to people of all ages.

But fat consumption went down and people got fatter. Why is fat the bad guy again?

Where is the science that says everyone should get a covid booster? If it's a scientific consensus, I'm sure that will be easy for you to provide.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Spoiler: Nothing to see here

It was $270 million but still.

 

[Silvanus]

4th time posting this...
A month later, the FDA advisory committee overwhelmingly voted against the recommendation to offer boosters to people under age 65, because there wasn’t enough evidence at the time that an extra dose would improve protection to people of all ages.

That's you agreeing with the FDA. You were originally criticising them.

But fat consumption went down and people got fatter.

...Because of rising carbohydrates? Nobody here is arguing dietary fat is the sole source of a calorie surplus, dude.

 

[Silvanus]

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It was $270 million but still.

First line in the linked article: "The US has granted over $270 million to the East-West Management Institute, an organization partnered with George Soros’ Open Society Foundations [...]". So no, George Soros did not receive $260m or $270m.

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...Why shouldn't these people get SSI? Those are legitimate reasons for the people to be in the country.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

That's you agreeing with the FDA. You were originally criticising them.



...Because of rising carbohydrates? Nobody here is arguing dietary fat is the sole source of a calorie surplus, dude.

The FDA doesn't have to listen to an advisory committee. I agree with the experts and data, not a bureaucratic decision.
The FDA did not hold a meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee on these actions as the agency previously convened the committee for extensive discussions regarding the use of booster doses of COVID-19 vaccines and, after review of both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s EUA requests, the FDA concluded that the requests do not raise questions that would benefit from additional discussion by committee members.

FDA advisory group rejects Covid boosters for most, limits to high-risk groups

The vote in favor of boosters came after the committee overwhelmingly rejected recommending the extra shots for the general population.

www.nbcnews.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Expands Eligibility for COVID-19 Vaccine Boosters

The FDA authorized the use of a single booster dose of both the Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines for all individuals 18 years of age and older.

www.fda.gov

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Eating less fat reduces satiation from food. And carbohydrates are addictive. So why would you say a fatty food shouldn't be deemed a "healthy" food during an obesity epidemic? You're only making it harder for people to eat properly.

How To Stop Your Cravings for Carbs

The craving for certain carbs is a natural part of our body’s fueling process. But the cravings can get out of control. Our expert explains why this is and how you can curb those cravings.

health.clevelandclinic.org

 

[Trunkage]

Silvanus

Yeah, as I suspected. That's been the problem the whole time. You made a position for Silvanus and whenever you Silvanus replied, you didn't actually answer the reply, you went back to your made up position

I'm pretty sure you can't reduce the flu to almost zero as the flu shot isn't nearly as effective as you probably think it is. There's some randomized studies that show taking vitamin d is more effective than the flu shot against the flu. And if it's just the US being lazy about it, why does the rest of the world have issue with flu deaths? Also, kids are IIRC the primary driver of spreading the flu, so why not close schools for that then (instead of for covid when kids didn't spread covid)?

You could. It would be very onerous for a few years, possibly decades and there are more important fights to have about vaccines. See the vit D heads who just want a pill and not a needle and bump up it's efficacy... but like who cares? It's still good, just not best. Why would anyone spend energy fighting that?

As a person who looks after 4 year olds, as soon as we opened up, I got immediately sick from a 4 year old. The parents were not allowed to drop the child off in the room because of your claims. After an hours, we releasied she had covid and was sent home and I went home a few hours later. You're claim is bogus. Many teacher died trying to keep schools open and they had to resort to bringing the national guard in to teach

 

[Silvanus]

The FDA doesn't have to listen to an advisory committee. I agree with the experts and data, not a bureaucratic decision.

OK. So when you originally criticised them, you didn't mean it? They didn't make the wrong decision?

Eating less fat reduces satiation from food. And carbohydrates are addictive. So why would you say a fatty food shouldn't be deemed a "healthy" food during an obesity epidemic? You're only making it harder for people to eat properly.

You're still disregarding the context of the average American diet. Labelling something as 'healthy' is a broad pointer for the population at large; it has to be appropriate for the average consumer.

So yes, eating a moderate amount of fat-- including saturated fat-- is helpful for satiety. But two-thirds of Americans exceed even the highest recommendation, 10% of daily calorie intake. At that point, satiety isn't their concern.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

First line in the linked article: "The US has granted over $270 million to the East-West Management Institute, an organization partnered with George Soros’ Open Society Foundations [...]". So no, George Soros did not receive $260m or $270m.

“Partnered with” sounds better than “funded by”, which is primarily what’s happening via organizations like Soros’s foundation.

The organization is funding by a combination of government grants and grants from private foundations, including several notable left-leaning funders such as George Soros’s Open Society Foundations

East West Management Institute - InfluenceWatch

The East-West Management Institute is a left-leaning nonprofit international aid and advocacy organization located in New York City that is partially funded by several notable left leaning grantmaking groups. The organization was founded in 1988 and focuses on issues in former soviet states in...

www.influencewatch.org

...Why shouldn't these people get SSI? Those are legitimate reasons for the people to be in the country.

Because cumulatively it’s a net fiscal drain, not a gain. The following excerpts sum it up the current immigration crisis, and lastly how it differs from the prior great immigration wave from a century ago -

Spoiler

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/117257/witnesses/HHRG-118-BU00-Wstate-KirchnerJ-20240508.pdf

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf