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Seanchaidh

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He did cosy up to NK last time, IIRC.
Ah, the Korea that isn't occupied. We do love our Juche, don't we folks?

So in other words Trump is fine with Russia violently expanding into, and ethnically cleansing eastern Europe. The ''whatever reason'' is funny since the moment you look at what Russia does to neighbors that don't have protection against Russia is plenty of reason enough to keep it contained already.
for sure, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are just having such a hard time. Or maybe it's more complicated than your cartoon caricature understanding of geopolitics.
 

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for sure, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are just having such a hard time. Or maybe it's more complicated than your cartoon caricature understanding of geopolitics.
Mongolia is playing Russia and China against each other to retain independence.

But Khasakhstan ? It has had Russian troops to prop up a pupped as late as Jan. 2022 and is since then desperately trying to not end up as second Belarus.
 

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for sure, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are just having such a hard time. Or maybe it's more complicated than your cartoon caricature understanding of geopolitics.
"The US doesn't attack middle Eastern countries, look, Saudi Arabia and Israel are doing just fine!"
 

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Or maybe it's more complicated than your cartoon caricature understanding of geopolitics.
A pattern of repeated vile behavior throughout Russian history and Putin seemingly defining his foreign goals with following this pattern is hardly “complicated” or a “caricature”. It’s just Russia doing what it’s always done, except this time NATO just happened to stand in the way.
 
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But the most likely explanation, that's super depressing, is that Trump really just admire Putin and just want... I dunno... to be his friend or something?
Or the allegations that he'd been recruited by the KGB under the codename "Krasnov" back in the 80s are true and he is just actually, genuinely working to benefit Russia first and foremost.

Will Musk fire Trump if it doesn't answer?
Of course not, his power derives entirely from his hand being firmly up Trump's backside. One of those "every accusation is a confession" moments is watching Musk and his kid in the Oval Office while Trump sits there looking defeated and remembering all the talk of Biden being a puppet and Biden's handlers and treating Harris as primarily responsible for Biden-era policy during the election.
 

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As people have probably already heard, Elon Musk sent an email to 2 million federal employees last week through the Office of Personnel Management, saying they needed to list 5 accomplishments from the prior week by the end of today (Monday 24th). He then said that failing to reply would be taken as resignation.

The Pentagon, State Department, Justice Department, FBI, NIH, Energy Department, DHS, HHS, Office of the DNI, NOAA and NSA all instructed their staff that they either shouldn't respond to it, or didn't need to respond to it. Dept of Transport said staff should respond. Lawyers have sued in federal court in California.

Will be interesting to see if anything actually happens, or if this was all just some pathetic kind of performative theatre. I suspect the latter... or that Musk will pretend it was just theatre when non-compliance is overwhelming.
 

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As people have probably already heard, Elon Musk sent an email to 2 million federal employees last week through the Office of Personnel Management, saying they needed to list 5 accomplishments from the prior week by the end of today (Monday 24th). He then said that failing to reply would be taken as resignation.

The Pentagon, State Department, Justice Department, FBI, NIH, Energy Department, DHS, HHS, Office of the DNI, NOAA and NSA all instructed their staff that they either shouldn't respond to it, or didn't need to respond to it. Dept of Transport said staff should respond. Lawyers have sued in federal court in California.

Will be interesting to see if anything actually happens, or if this was all just some pathetic kind of performative theatre. I suspect the latter... or that Musk will pretend it was just theatre when non-compliance is overwhelming.
Well, Homeland Security and the NSA staff could all respond by just saying some variation of “You’re not cleared to know that information” or the evergreen “If I told you I’d have to kill you”
 
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Well, their oil is going cheap at the moment due to all the sanctions


Everyone should reply with ASCII of Goatse
I mean, Elon is just being lazy. No wonder he got himself into so much trouble at Twitter. He probably can't read a job description

Now, most workers are doing jobs they have been given by their bosses. Are they going to fire people if their bosses gave them shit jobs?

And lastly, Trump literally thinks that most people in the government are imaginary. What a wierd world we live in
 

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A pattern of repeated vile behavior throughout Russian history and Putin seemingly defining his foreign goals with following this pattern is hardly “complicated” or a “caricature”. It’s just Russia doing what it’s always done, except this time NATO just happened to stand in the way.
NATO is what caused it.
 

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NATO is what caused it.
That strange given Putin forced Yanukovitch to turn traitor and then invaded over a trade deal with Europe, not NATO membership. NATO membership only became desired by Ukraine after Russia invaded and even then the western response is unenthusiastic about the idea at best.

Russia’s pattern of butchering and subjugating their neighbors predates NATO by centuries so NATO cannot be the cause. Instead NATO is the reason that the Russian barbarians aren’t invading Poland and the Baltic by now.
 
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That strange given Putin forced Yanukovitch to turn traitor and then invaded over a trade deal with Europe, not NATO membership. NATO membership only became desired by Ukraine after Russia invaded and even then the western response is unenthusiastic about the idea at best.

Russia’s pattern of butchering and enslaving their neighbors predates NATO by centuries so NATO cannot be the cause. Instead NATO is the reason that the Russian barbarians aren’t invading Poland and the Baltic by now.
The Russian-Ukraine conflict is down to the fact that Russia sees Ukraine as a vassal state, whereas Ukraine has been seeking greater independence.

After the fall of the Berlin wall, admittance to the EU has granted phenomenal economic growth to Eastern European states. Ukraine, stuck in economic doldrums and tied to a Russia from which it gets little, increasingly has wanted better ties with the EU. Russia, obviously, has expended a lot of effort clamping down on this and keeping Ukraine beholden to Russian influence.

One can make certain points about NATO, but any ability of the West to get greater involved in Ukraine in large part reflects the underlying, natural movement of Ukraine away from Russia. The whole "It was NATO what done it" is fundamentally a bunch of people who deny Ukrainians any agency. Firstly by trying to ignore that Ukraine and its people could think and act for themselves, and secondly that they don't believe Ukrainians merit any more independence than Russia is prepared to let them have.
 

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Personally? Man, you read a lot into a sentence.
I made my post centered around people on Reddit as an example of behavior, and you read it and responded with "we" as the subject.

I guarantee I wasn't talking about you in that post.
 

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Well, Homeland Security and the NSA staff could all respond by just saying some variation of “You’re not cleared to know that information” or the evergreen “If I told you I’d have to kill you”
  • Meeting with [REDACTED] over [REDACTED] plans.
  • Implemented [REDACTED].
  • Issued orders for further reporting on [REDACTED].
  • [REDACTED].
  • Initial planning for dealing with Russian intelligence asset codenamed Krasnov.
All redacted notes require either relevant clearance to know or are PII, and I cannot confirm the recipient of this email has the relevant clearance.

See, not that hard.
 

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  • Meeting with [REDACTED] over [REDACTED] plans.
  • Implemented [REDACTED].
  • Issued orders for further reporting on [REDACTED].
  • [REDACTED].
  • Initial planning for dealing with Russian intelligence asset codenamed Krasnov.
All redacted notes require either relevant clearance to know or are PII, and I cannot confirm the recipient of this email has the relevant clearance.

See, not that hard.
Yes, but...

The president can declassify anything by thought-power: with hopes, dreams, idle whim, or the mere potentiality that he might consider declassifying something in the future or could have done so previously. Therefore, Musk and his incel goon squad, acting under the authority of the president, have absolute clearance for absolutely everyhing as they please and no-one should redact anything.
 

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The Russian-Ukraine conflict is down to the fact that Russia sees Ukraine as a vassal state, whereas Ukraine has been seeking greater independence.
fundamentally a bunch of people who deny Ukrainians any agency.
The West literally participated in overthrowing their government.

That strange given Putin forced Yanukovitch to turn traitor
nonsense.