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Thaluikhain

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The modern anti-vax movement descends from origins in the 1800s. Then as now, the fundamental basis of the anti-vax movement was not political in nature: it was based around cranks interested in alternative medicine, mystical mumbo-jumbo and other bullshit: in other words, what is now mostly the New Age and Wellness sectors.
And, of course, Andrew Wakefield with the MMR vaccine in particular, who invented the vaccines cause autism thing in order to rake in several million a year.
 

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See I'm not inclined to believe that happened without the German public all dog piling on him like the kid in your friend group that always farted got at sleepovers.
It was actually a float of him, not the actual Musk. Sorry, I should have made that clear. I thought the full thing would show when I posted it.
 

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Again, where is this evidence?

You do realize parents used to have measles and pox parties, right? In Samoa, 2 kids died by improper vaccination for measles. That can happen to. It's not child endangerment if your kid dies from a rather harmless disease. You would be the reason for parents being arrested for allowing their kid to be outside.

You didn't criticize the old order for their horrible messaging.
Wait, you think measles is harmless?

Well, that explains a lot

I did criticise the old order. The difference is NO ONE IS PUSHING BACK AT ME CLAIMING IT WAS GOOD. They took some advice and changed their messaging. And RFK messaging is getting people killed. No one else in that role intentional has done that. RFK does
 

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I don't know what your education told you, but a disease that you can die from is by definition not a harmless disease.

Do you even know what measles and small pox are?


Maybe because that "horrible messaging" was trying to save lives.
I seem to remember Phoenixmgs initial definition of harmless being what percentage the disease kills you. (Which is an utter fail on the term harmless)

For example, Covid was harmless because it kills only 1% of the infected. It didn't matter that a stretched hospital sympton quintupled the rate. It didn't matter that the rate of infections meant that more people would be infected than the yearly fly. It didn't matter that Covid killed 600K in 2020, then again in 21, and flu kills about 60 K per year. It didn't matter that the number of Covid deaths was close to the average flu deaths across the world per year. Because it was only 1%, it made Covid as harmless as yearly flu. Millions of people dead is a harmless disease
 
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And, of course, Andrew Wakefield with the MMR vaccine in particular, who invented the vaccines cause autism thing in order to rake in several million a year.
Wakefield's argument was actually that the MMR shot should be replaced by three individual shots (one of his conflicts of interest revolved around a patent for a single vaccine shot). Thus he was not anti-vax in the strictest sense, as he was still supporting a vaccination program.

Part of me would like to read up more on Wakefield to find out more where he was coming from. As far as I am aware, he has no particular background with the typical anti-vax (e.g. alternative medicine) route. He seems to have come from a conventional route, except he went astray for some reason. But I don't know whether his core motivation was scientific / medical (overfixating on his hypothesis) or economic (exploiting for money). He seems to have been very arrogant, which is often a problem, and obviously he had substantial ethical shortcomings.
 

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I seem to remember Phoenixmgs initial definition of harmless being what percentage the disease kills you.
That's just the rationalisation.

Ultimately, he thinks it's harmless because it didn't kill him and his: if it's killing other people he doesn't really know, that's their problem.