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Presumably you're referring to how someone else had put Machado's home address as their address. A fact which has zero bearing on the people taken away, neither of whom were Machado.
People don't randomly pull your address out of a hat to pick to be their address. And the fact 2 people were in the car that ICE took away makes it a pretty massive coincidence that Machado knows nothing about the person that used his address or has no association with illegal immigrants.
 

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At least I can recognize my speculation. I'm curious what drove you to assert that neither of the people ICE took away was who they were looking for.
The agents told him who they were looking for, and he didn't know him. The two people he was with were people he worked with, so he knew their names.
 

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People don't randomly pull your address out of a hat to pick to be their address. And the fact 2 people were in the car that ICE took away makes it a pretty massive coincidence that Machado knows nothing about the person that used his address or has no association with illegal immigrants.
So you're taking the fact someone else gave his address as an indication of guilt?

So, if I commit a crime and give the address of someone I don't like, that's solid proof the other person is guilty?
 

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So you're taking the fact someone else gave his address as an indication of guilt?

So, if I commit a crime and give the address of someone I don't like, that's solid proof the other person is guilty?
When did I say/imply/claim Machado was guilty of anything? I said that the fact Machado was driving people that were taken away by ICE makes it more likely than not that he did indeed know the person ICE was asking about and was lying; you know, people lie, right? At the very least, he is associated with illegal immigrants. Also, giving someone your address to use as their home address isn't illegal as far as I know.
 

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Dude, you can be so incredibly full of shit.

This is the poison of nationalism, it just makes people stupid. The USA is in a position similar to the UK in 1918: technically top dog at the time, but in truth knowing that the period of pre-eminence is in decline. That's much of what MAGA is about: the howl of rage from people who don't want to accept that their era of dominance is over.

Even if the USA annexes Canada, it's still under 400 million people - far less than China, India, or even the EU. In the long run, power is people and money. What makes the USA top dog is money, but the way China and India's economies are growing, even that's going fast. China is reputedly ahead on a host of important future techs. By PPP, some argue China's economy is already larger than the USA. Trump's vision of future America appears to be some sort of "Fortress North America": but this is really just North Korea strategy on a larger scale. The rest of the world is going to carry on without it.

This mockery of Europe sums up the self-defeating stupidity of it all. Europe is (was?) the USA's ally. In all major conflicts the US has fought in my lifetime, Europe has provided over 10% of the force (including of course cost). The USA is essentially telling Europe "go find other friends". And you know what? That can work. Europe can heavily reduce its shared benefits - trade, tech, influence, etc. - with the USA. Irrespective of where Europe is going, how much Americans and Chinese sneer, it's still 500 million people with a lot of money, and it takes a genuine moron to think that the USA not having that backing it up makes the USA stronger.
It's not just population, and money, or else Japan would be the most powerful country in the world, it failed in the 1980s. The US has good geography (arable land, and weak neighbors), and natural resources, not just a population of which it has a highly productive workforce, and money, both of which it has too, along with the world's best military. China has a dozen of medium-sized to a few large-sized and powerful neighbors like India, and Japan, that alone could cause trouble for it in a conventional war, which won't happen due to nuclear weapons right now, and a Cold War could cause damage in the form of attacks on shipping, and tie up resources it could use to attack Taiwan and possibly defend against a US counter attack. India is surrounded by two neighbors that don't like it due to religious reasons, such as Pakistan, and Bangladesh. Furthermore, the more it has too few natural resources per person, and while it can feed itself just like China, it cannot power itself, unlike the US and maybe China in the Future. It requires Australian coal, and Russian fossil fuels.

Europe has a high population compared to its natural resources, given its landmass to the point where the Dutch are the most trade-dependent economy on the face of the planet, it needs trade more than anyone else save for maybe the Indias mentioned here, which is why they should have gotten Russia when they had the chance.

We aren't annexing Canada for its people, hell it's assumed in Washington that we annex northern regions, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and leave the rest of Canada to rot and deal with welfare state and pension problems that they will have due to a lack of young people and natural resources outside of those regions.

And even if, say China and Russia were to try to invade the US, we have a Russia-sized nuclear weapons arsenal and almost all of ours works.

No Trump’s idea isn’t fortress America, it’s the Monroe doctrine again plus other policies. He also will focus more on Asia. No more Europe, less Middle East involvement, so no Iraq Wars or Afghanistan Wars.

Europe won't need to just find new friends, it will need to colonize whole countries to sustain its consumption in a post-free-trade world a la the 1950s to 2020s.
 
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We aren't annexing Canada for its people,
The US isn't annexing Canada at all. At most, it could turn it into another Iraq, only one that it shares a border with. And note, that Iraq was politically fairly isolated, and many nations involved in the invasion are allies of Canada.
 

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The US isn't annexing Canada at all. At most, it could turn it into another Iraq, only one that it shares a border with. And note, that Iraq was politically fairly isolated, and many nations involved in the invasion are allies of Canada.
Then I say to the Canadian insurgents have fun fighting dogs with machine guns mounted on it backs. Have fine being predator drones. Have fun having your cities have Amazon cameras everywhere. And that’s if Alberta and other productive regions don’t join the US willing due to them subsidizing the non-productive Canadian regions.
 

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Then I say to the Canadian insurgents have fun fighting dogs with machine guns mounted on it backs. Have fine being predator drones. Have fun having your cities have Amazon cameras everywhere. And that’s if Alberta and other productive regions don’t join the US willing due to them subsidizing the non-productive Canadian regions.
Oh, I'm not saying it'll be fun for the Canadians, but most casualties will be the same old stuff, not due to new US superweapons. It will inevitably cause massive problems for the US, who threw in the towel on Iraq and Afghanistan not long ago. Imagine if they shared a massive land border with the US.

And no, bits of Canada aren't going to willingly join the US, and fund non-productive regions there.
 

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Oh, I'm not saying it'll be fun for the Canadians, but most casualties will be the same old stuff, not due to new US superweapons. It will inevitably cause massive problems for the US, who threw in the towel on Iraq and Afghanistan not long ago. Imagine if they shared a massive land border with the US.

And no, bits of Canada aren't going to willingly join the US, and fund non-productive regions there.
The US with its geography has virtually no non-productive regions. Even Mississippi and the Deep South have a higher GDP per capita and medium income vs many European countries in Western Europe and the OECD and that includes Canada.
 

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It's not just population, and money, or else Japan would be the most powerful country in the world, it failed in the 1980s.
What on earth are you talking about? In the 1980s Japan had about half the USA's population with a lower GDP/capita, how the hell was it going to be the most powerful by that measure? And that is exactly the sort of thing I mean when I say you talk some utter rubbish.

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Let me explain to you how this works. Let's take India, relatively hemmed in, but it needs stuff, and doesn't have the military might to get what it needs. What does it do?
It trades, obviously.

The circumstances of the country dictates the strategy.

It's ludicrous to take the idea that the world has to be about mutually antagonistic power blocs taking what they need, and then saying that in this model numerous powers are fucked. Because the incredibly obvious answer is that any power that would be screwed by this model wouldn't use it. And indeed, this is how countries have operated since the dawn of time. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another, so each picks a route that works best for itself. It's insane to think it works otherwise.
 
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What on earth are you talking about? In the 1980s Japan had about half the USA's population with a lower GDP/capita, how the hell was it going to be the most powerful by that measure? And that is exactly the sort of thing I mean when I say you talk some utter rubbish.

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Let me explain to you how this works. Let's take India, relatively hemmed in, but it needs stuff, and doesn't have the military might to get what it needs. What does it do?
It trades, obviously.

The circumstances of the country dictates the strategy.

It's ludicrous to take the idea that the world has to be about mutually antagonistic power blocs taking what they need, and then saying that in this model numerous powers are fucked. Because the incredibly obvious answer is that any power that would be screwed by this model wouldn't use it. And indeed, this is how countries have operated since the dawn of time. What works for one doesn't necessarily work for another, so each picks a route that works best for itself. It's insane to think it works otherwise.
It was growing faster than the US, but due to lack of natural resources it failed. It was viewed very much like China is today.

Also, powers taking what they need has been the norm for most of human history. I had a professor who studied claims that wars of conquest weren't going to happen anymore, and he concluded with python/mathematical modeling that was false, and he ended up dying at age 50ish, but close to the period Russia invaded Ukraine.


All world trade won't stop, it has never stopped, not even in the 1930s, but free trade may stop, and countries like India, Japan, and even the EU will need bigger navies to guard their interests.

If you're just trading, and every other country is trading, and fighting opportunistic wars of conquest and winning territory and natural resources, guess who will lose. You will.

The best thing for the EU to do is to rearm like they have been doing, but much more, assimilate their immigration population, to forget their failed global south countries laws, and elites minus the food of course, and to create an anti-nuclear iron dome around Europe(Funny enough this is much easier then in the US due to Europe being smaller), then invade Russia eventually. Why not, they invaded you guys via Ukraine, so there is just cause to the war, and also liberate Belarus while you're at it. You can share Siberia with China. This will not be fun for the average citizen but it's to secure Europe's long-term interests.

There is no world where the EU badgers the US to guard the global commons of free trade to their detriment while China gains in power, anymore than China will fight climate change by turning off their coal-fired power plants, and natural gas terminals near Russia.
 

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The US with its geography has virtually no non-productive regions.
Ah, how are you defining non-productive regions? I had assumed that it's when government money coming in is more than taxes coming out, but in hindsight there's various other definitions.
 

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Ah, how are you defining non-productive regions? I had assumed that it's when government money coming in is more than taxes coming out, but in hindsight there's various other definitions.
Does this look like a country with non-productive states?


But a non-productive region/state in geopolitics, in my view is a state that cannot exist without another state. Can Japan exist without say OPEC, no, but can the US... Yes. Also North Korea would not exist without Pakistan, China, and Russia.
 

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But a non-productive region/state in geopolitics, in my view is a state that cannot exist without another state.
Ah, ok, that makes sense, though that would apply to a lot of regions that are important for other reasons, though getting a bit off-topic.


Also, powers taking what they need has been the norm for most of human history. I had a professor who studied claims that wars of conquest weren't going to happen anymore, and he concluded with python/mathematical modeling that was false, and he ended up dying at age 50ish, but close to the period Russia invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine is a bad example, IMHO, Russia will end up with some stolen land, but the price it's paid may not be worth it. OTOH, Israel taking land by force has been the norm for generations.
 

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alan dershowitz who worked to get epstien's sweetheart deal for his 1st arrest and OJ's freedom now absolutely certain protestors against Israel war crimes need to be unlawfully detained, moved across country and deported. what a guy, a working class hero indeed

and how are there still any women perfectly fine with publicly chatting with him like they're just casual buddies? casch buds gassing up the fash?
 
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