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I sometimes watch the box office report by Dan Murrel. He has been tracking the last 5 year before the pandemic, the years since the pandemic and comparing both to the current year. It is very clear that people are no longer going to the movie like they used to and it's become way harder to pick which movies will actually be successful
 
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I just said Disney is being racist, which you won't agree with for some reason.
They aren't being racist

You have two different definitions for who a white person. They are out by over 20 %.

You didn't understand what the census graph claimed. Some of those movies you claimed were race swapped cannot be classed as race swapped based on the definition of white from the census graph

They're not racist against white people. Disney are racist against minorities as they are underrepresented. You provided the proof from the census data. Thanks
 
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Can anyone explain to me why Disney should be making movies with leads that match up with the demographics in the US? Does that seem stupid to anyone?

Why wouldn't Disney, who tries to sell to the whole world, be trying to match the world demographics?
 
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Bear in mind this is Hollywood, so Hollywood accounting applies. Hollywood only reports the production budget, not marketing or distribution costs -- and that's an often-dicey proposal, considering studios love to cross-itemize, not report post-production costs up to and including reshoots, to name a few among several book-cooking shenanigans. The real break-even point is usually two to three times the production budget, the smaller number for low-budget films that weren't widely distributed nor marketed, and the larger for tentpole releases.

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This was a Marvel movie. Deadline has more concrete numbers about its actual cost, which serves as nice supplemental information on what I said about Hollywood accounting.
That Deadline article has the total cost for a major tentpole release at just over 2x production budget, nowhere near 3x-- it also has the box office ~100m lower than The Numbers.

Anywho, a lot of this seems to rest on those unreported numbers, and the possibility that they completely eat up the remaining revenue. Fair enough for Lightyear and Indiana Jones, that'd shift them into flop territory. Yet if we apply the same ballpark ratio as Deadline reports, most of those films are still turning a profit in the tens or hundreds of millions.
 
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They aren't being racist

You have two different definitions for who a white person. They are out by over 20 %.

You didn't understand what the census graph claimed. Some of those movies you claimed were race swapped cannot be classed as race swapped based on the definition of white from the census graph

They're not racist against white people. Disney are racist against minorities as they are underrepresented. You provided the proof from the census data. Thanks
You need to understand the neo-nazi brain; to them white people not being seen as the default 100% of the time is racist to white people.
 
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Why wouldn't Disney, who tries to sell to the whole world, be trying to match the world demographics?
Because the US box office is a disproportionate percentage of global box office take (~30%). Europe is another huge chunk, and has at least reasonably similar demographics.

And why target your demographics to China, for instance, if China might decide to arbitrarily censor your movie for some ideological reason?
 

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Exactly the opposite. Flatter, not fatter.

I'm just going to invoke my general statement on mods that anyone can mod a single player game however they'd like and it doesn't effect anyone else at all. If they really care about Astarion's ass that's on them.

Why wouldn't Disney, who tries to sell to the whole world, be trying to match the world demographics?
Disney mostly creates their works by appropriating folk tales as a starting point, why not try to match the demographics of the time/place those folk tales originate from on a work by work basis? Or alternately completely let go of it in all cases - but then you can't complain if (for example) live action Moana has a lead that isn't a Pacific Islander, either.
 

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You need to understand the neo-nazi brain; to them white people not being seen as the default 100% of the time is racist to white people.
It's the same logic that says having two men/women kiss each other on-screen is "shoving it down our throats", but full on hetero sex is great.
 
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That Deadline article has the total cost for a major tentpole release at just over 2x production budget, nowhere near 3x-- it also has the box office ~100m lower than The Numbers.
As I -- and others, now -- said, it fluctuates between two to three times depending on circumstances. Hollywood is just very practiced at obfuscating the true costs of a production, in every case to best-fit their bottom line and demands of their PR departments. It may come as a shock, but Return of the Jedi is one of the biggest flops in film history. Despite $475m in box office against a $32.5m budget, and the 42 years of almost certainly billions' worth of re-releases, residuals, royalties, and merchandise since, it's never turned a profit on paper. That's just how Hollywood operates.

Deadline did report Thor 4's box office correctly; you just didn't parse the itemization right. Deadline in fact reports worldwide box office as $760m. Then it itemized total revenue at $650m, of which theatrical revenue was $350m. Box office is gross and doesn't account for global distribution and revenue-sharing costs; studios don't get 100% of box office.

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Anywho, a lot of this seems to rest on those unreported numbers, and the possibility that they completely eat up the remaining revenue.
You don't have to take that from me. That's the rule of thumb as established by a consensus of experts on the film industry, insiders or outsiders. You'd have to work harder to find a source that says otherwise.

Fair enough for Lightyear and Indiana Jones, that'd shift them into flop territory. Yet if we apply the same ballpark ratio as Deadline reports, most of those films are still turning a profit in the tens or hundreds of millions.
I never said otherwise. However, a hundred million dollars' revenue for one movie doesn't stretch very far when the next movie you're looking to fund will cost $250m to produce, let alone market and distribute. A 19% profit is still a 19% profit, whether the item from which you're profiting cost one dollar or a billion and that's maybe one of a half-dozen revenue sources for an entire fiscal year.
 

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What a strange website. They list as "flops";

Lightyear (2022)
-Cost $200m, made just over $200m. ~Break even.

Thor Love and Thunder (2022)
-Cost $250m, made >$750m. Big success.

Strange World (2022)
-Cost $180m, made $74m. Flop.

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever (2022)
-Cost $250m, made >$850m. Big success.

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (2023)
-Cost $200m, made $475m. Success.

Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 3 (2023)
-Cost $250m, made $845m. Big success.

The Little Mermaid (2023)
-Cost $250m, made $560m. Success.

Elemental (2023)
-Cost $200m, made $480m. Success.

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023)
-Cost $300m, made $380m. Moderate profit, though undoubtedly below expectation given the scale.

Haunted Mansion (2023)
-Cost $150m, made $117m. Flop.

So, uhrm, most of those were successful, several of them massively successful. Only two real flops, both of which were the cheapest to make. Far from 'losing billions', they're billions up from the global box office over that timeframe. I think Disney will be absolutely fine, and I think you need to stop getting your numbers from oddball sites that happen to say what you already think.

((All numbers sourced from The Numbers, a few of them spot-checked against other sources)).
The general rule of thumb for determining whether a film breaks even at the box office is if a film makes 2-2.5x its production budget back.


They aren't being racist

You have two different definitions for who a white person. They are out by over 20 %.

You didn't understand what the census graph claimed. Some of those movies you claimed were race swapped cannot be classed as race swapped based on the definition of white from the census graph

They're not racist against white people. Disney are racist against minorities as they are underrepresented. You provided the proof from the census data. Thanks
Using the definition you want, Disney is being racist. Why would you make a character that's is described as white, not white? Why would you add girls to the lost BOYS? It's obvious Disney is purposefully casting for diversity just like it was obvious video game main protags were white men. You can't claim one to be racist/sexist, and not claim the other as well.

And, again, why even do this? You're not going to make a movie that's gonna replace a classic and that new race swap version of that character is not going to replace the iconic character. No one will watch the new Little Mermaid even 2 years from now. I bet people even forget they did a Peter Pan remake already.

Can anyone explain to me why Disney should be making movies with leads that match up with the demographics in the US? Does that seem stupid to anyone?

Why wouldn't Disney, who tries to sell to the whole world, be trying to match the world demographics?
The world doesn't equally see Disney movies or else the movies would be mainly Asian. Hollywood remade Oldboy for a different audience, the audience that mainly sees Hollywood movies... the same audience Disney makes movies for.
 

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The general rule of thumb for determining whether a film breaks even at the box office is if a film makes 2-2.5x its production budget back.
Even allowing for that, a good half of those films are making tens or hundreds of millions. Disney is not losing billions to endless flops.
 
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Using the definition you want, Disney is being racist.
You had two separate definitions for white

One definition you had was that white people are only European
The second definition of white being that was Europeans, Arabs, Hispanic, Latinos, Turks, Egyptian and other North African people

There is obviously a difference between these two definitions. Instead of noting this discrepancy, you have the fucking gall to blame everyone else for your own mistake.

Disney is not racist. You fucked up
 
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Even allowing for that, a good half of those films are making tens or hundreds of millions. Disney is not losing billions to endless flops.
Most of the movies you listed as making a profit did not make a profit. The only ones in your list that probably made decent money was Thor 4, BP2, and Guardians 3. Elemental looked like a massive flop, but it had really long legs and probably ending up making some money. That's not even half, let alone a "good" half.


You had two separate definitions for white

One definition you had was that white people are only European
The second definition of white being that was Europeans, Arabs, Hispanic, Latinos, Turks, Egyptian and other North African people

There is obviously a difference between these two definitions. Instead of noting this discrepancy, you have the fucking gall to blame everyone else for your own mistake.

Disney is not racist. You fucked up
You can't yell at me for using the wrong definition and then claim that by my definition (when it fits your argument), Disney movies had all these "white" people. Again, it was just the 1st result from a Google search and figured US census data wouldn't lump in latinos because on like every form I fill out, there's always a "white - non hispanic" option.

You're acting like my take is some weird fringe thing when it's not and it's fucking obvious, everyone knows it. Here's the Honest Trailer for Snow White that just dropped yesterday, this is obviously not some right-wing channel or anything. From the video, "and more virtue signaling than a Coachella land acknowledgement". Why are you gaslighting me like this isn't happening when everyone with 2 eyes that isn't heavily biased can see it? At 2:47 in the trailer you see 4 guards Snow White is talking to and it cuts from one guard that is latino, then one white, then the other 2 are black and asian; this is not how communities look today let alone in the time that a story like Snow White would be set at. You have to purposefully cast like this for that to happen. The US is really diverse for a country but that diversity is not spread evenly across the country, people tend to live with their own people, whether hundreds/thousands of years ago or today.

 

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the dog murderer who wrote in her book proudly that she shot her own (kid's!) dog is quite a stunning display of, uh, what's the polite word for this - no wait don't help me I can be nice here for the heartless pet executioner if I try! ...um, stunning display of cognitive absence? it'll have to do, already wasted enough time coddling this psychopath's ego





 

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the dog murderer who wrote in her book proudly that she shot her own (kid's!) dog is quite a stunning display of, uh, what's the polite word for this - no wait don't help me I can be nice here for the heartless pet executioner if I try! ...um, stunning display of cognitive absence? it'll have to do, already wasted enough time coddling this psychopath's ego
I've had to put animals -- pets, working animals, and livestock -- down. For slaughter and humane reasons. In the foremost case, poor and rural in the late '80s and early '90s, that didn't mean vet-administered euthanasia. That meant taking the animal to a peaceful spot, giving them as good a thank you and farewell as you can, and using the caliber it takes to ensure it's instant and painless.

She's not wrong to say having to put animals down is a part of farm life. What isn't a part of farm is is poor animal husbandry, which is exactly what putting a puppy down for presumed untrainability, or an intact goat for being cantankerous, is. If you can't handle a 14-month-old pup or a goat that still has his balls, you're just shit at caretaking animals. And it really needn't be said, I sure as hell don't run into many farmers who brag on putting animals down.
 
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Bud, even if we double the production budget, that only shifts 2 into loss territory.
I'm guessing you're considering Little Mermaid to have made money?


Using the $250 million production budget, the film needed to gross at least $625 million to break even. Obviously, the film did not do that and thus estimates of its losses came in just shy of $60 million.

However, if you adjust the production budget to the new $297 million number provided by the UK government, the break even point moves to $742.5 million. Thus the losses have also increased to $127.8 million.