US 2024 Presidential Election

[Phoenixmgs]

Even if the US votes the Republicans out and things return to normalcy, then four years later some inbred folk in the swingstates can still randomly decide to go set everything on fire again just for the thrill of sticking it to ''the establishment'. 2016 might have been an accident or a glitch in the system. But 2024 proves that this is not the case and that its the American voters themselves that are to blame. The numerical majority proved themselves as ignorant, erratic, malicious and thoroughly ungrateful. The best we can expect of the US is some twisted Russian roulette they keep switching from dubious allies to freaks wanting to do their allies harm.

You are one of the many people that have made politics your religion, that demonize people that don't agree with you, and are the reason why people have become so divided. Do you not interact or talk with people in real life? The majority of people are not malicious and thoroughly ungrateful. It's you people that claim to be so virtuous that are so ungrateful, who was it saying and still saying we're living under fascists and a king? Who are the ones saying this generation has it so hard while completely either not knowing or ignoring that fact that times are arguably the best they've ever been for humans and just in the 20th century in America (not even counting Europe where it was much much much worse), there was a generation that had to live through 2 world wars, a great depression, the Spanish flu pandemic (that killed so many more and people couldn't just do nothing and watch Netflix), and a cold war. Do you not know how poorly most cities are run (that are all controlled by the left)? It's even harder for the average person to be financially successful in those cities.

 

[Hades]

You are one of the many people that have made politics your religion, that demonize people that don't agree with you

Not really. Christian Democrats don't agree with me and I've never ''demonised'' them. Same with normal right wing parties that don't suck Putin's scepter. I don't agree but they're fine. Far right demagogues that despise Europe and adore Russia however are not fine. Besides, the people who stuck with Trump no matter what seem to be the one treating their politics as a religion.

Maybe the problem is more that those people sunk far, far below the levels which are acceptable. That's hardly my fault though so why shouldn't it be pointed out?

The majority of people are not malicious and thoroughly ungrateful

When America got attacked Europeans bled and died for them. In response the electorate voted for scum that openly lusts after our territory, routinely expresses their hatred of us and who scheme to betray us to the Russians. That's a pretty bizare way of showing grattitude.

So yeah. The US political class wants to do us harm, and the voters are either apefetic or cheering it on. In other words: ungrateful and malicious.

 

[Thaluikhain]

When America got attacked Europeans bled and died for them. In response the electorate voted for scum that openly lusts after our territory, routinely expresses their hatred of us and who scheme to betray us to the Russians. That's a pretty bizare way of showing grattitude.

So yeah. The US political class wants to do us harm, and the voters are either apefetic or cheering it on. In other words: ungrateful and malicious.

In defense of the US populace, Trump didn't win by a massive margin (more than last time, though, which is a surprise), and he and his have been big on voter suppression.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Not really. Christian Democrats don't agree with me and I've never ''demonised'' them. Same with normal right wing parties that don't suck Putin's scepter. I don't agree but they're fine. Far right demagogues that despise Europe and adore Russia however are not fine. Besides, the people who stuck with Trump no matter what seem to be the one treating their politics as a religion.

Maybe the problem is more that those people sunk far, far below the levels which are acceptable. That's hardly my fault though so why shouldn't it be pointed out?



When America got attacked Europeans bled and died for them. In response the electorate voted for scum that openly lusts after our territory, routinely expresses their hatred of us and who scheme to betray us to the Russians. That's a pretty bizare way of showing grattitude.

So yeah. The US political class wants to do us harm, and the voters are either apefetic or cheering it on. In other words: ungrateful and malicious.

Why don't you yell at the people that voted for Mamdani? Every single one of his proposals will make life harder for people if they are actually implemented. Nobody is despising Europe and adoring Russia...

The US has provided more aid to Ukraine than any European country.

 

[Hades]

Nobody is despising Europe and adoring Russia...

I regret to inform you that Trump and Vance exist in case you hadn’t noticed and through that disgusting strategy paper the loathing of Europe is now official US policy. The olicharchs backing them voice the same hatred with Musk today even saying the EU should be abolished.

The US has provided more aid to Ukraine than any European country.

Funny. The Maga freaks want to move away from Biden but expect to get credit for his support of Ukraine.

I won’t say Trump hasn’t given any funding but his relation to Ukraine is defined by threats, reduced funding and even outright sabotage.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I regret to inform you that Trump and Vance exist in case you hadn’t noticed and through that disgusting strategy paper the loathing of Europe is now official US policy. The olicharchs backing them voice the same hatred with Musk today even saying the EU should be abolished.



Funny. The Maga freaks want to move away from Biden but expect to get credit for his support of Ukraine.

I won’t say Trump hasn’t given any funding but his relation to Ukraine is defined by threats, reduced funding and even outright sabotage.

Musk is a troll... The EU is far too high on censorship though.

And... What is the US doing that is harmful to the EU?

 

[Hades]

Musk is a troll... The EU is far too high on censorship though.

And... What is the US doing that is harmful to the EU?

Musk is a corrupt businessman who sees the European citizen having protection as an obstacle to his dealings. That he's a troll changes nothing about that.

Promoting far right parties that want to reduce or outright abolish the EU and are conveniently always pro Russia, starting trade wars against us and trying to increase Russia's ability to do us harm. Not to mention openly lusting after our territory.

In defense of the US populace, Trump didn't win by a massive margin (more than last time, though, which is a surprise), and he and his have been big on voter suppression.

That's nice and all but also of questionable relevance. Maybe I'm a glass half empty kinda guy but I feel a little under half of the US being decent folk is less important than a little over half either condoning or cheering on the US betraying us. Especially because aside from Europe not having done anything to deserve the betrayal, Trump didn't do anything to deserve the second chance either. Maybe there could have been some logic behind the electorate's agreement to betray us if Trump was some sort of domestic policy savant, but he's explicitly not. He's an inept, corrupt demagogue who rapes people and did a coup against the US. The interests of the EU and US were fully aligned. Both would be protected by denying Trump a second term.

I'm more sympathetic to the argument of election interference but even that hinges on the fact that the US electorate as a whole was unwilling to spit out Trump for his misdeeds which in turn reflects on how unhealthy the electorate is. Election interference helps if the margins are tight but they shouldn't BE tight.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Musk is a corrupt businessman who sees the European citizen having protection as an obstacle to his dealings. That he's a troll changes nothing about that.

Promoting far right parties that want to reduce or outright abolish the EU and are conveniently always pro Russia, starting trade wars against us and trying to increase Russia's ability to do us harm. Not to mention openly lusting after our territory.

EU is too high on censorship, Musk is right about that. Why should you or the EU care about Musk and his dealings? Hypothetically, if he makes Twitter unavailable in the EU, so fucking what? It would be better without it.

The UK is the only country that left the EU and the people voted for that. What EU territory is the US going to take over? You worry about stuff that isn't going to happen.

 

[Hades]

EU is too high on censorship, Musk is right about that. Why should you or the EU care about Musk and his dealings? Hypothetically, if he makes Twitter unavailable in the EU, so fucking what? It would be better without it.

The UK is the only country that left the EU and the people voted for that. What EU territory is the US going to take over? You worry about stuff that isn't going to happen.

Censership smemsership. Its not the EU that forces people off TV because they're critical of El Presidente. Also why should the EU care about Musk and his dealing? Why do you think companies want to see citizens deprived of protection? Because they want to abuse those citizens when the protections go away. A company isn't lobbying to remove laws against dumping toxic waste if they don't want to dump toxic waste, they're not lobbying to underpay employees if they don't want to underpay employee's etcetera etcetera. The EU too is fairly neoliberal but the citizens do have protections against corporations, and that's why Musk wants to tear us down.

And don't play dumb. You're not convincing anyone. You know its Greenland. You know Trump has an obsession with getting it and that he refused to rule out getting it through military means. Besides whether its going to happen or not isn't the point. That Trump even openly talks about seizing lands from his allies just shows how the US has rotten to the core in terms of how they treat their allies.

 

[thebobmaster]

Trump doesn't want allies, he wants sycophants. Notice how often he's been on someone's side until they say something he doesn't like, and then they are the enemy.

 

[tippy2k2]

Musk loves Free Speech on X THE EVERYTHING APP!!!!!!!

...as long as you don't say cisgender of course

 

[Satinavian]

The US has provided more aid to Ukraine than any European country.

Yes, if you count EU countries individually the US is in the lead. However, the EU alone has provided more than double the aid the US did. And pretty much all the US help is from Bidens era. Since MAGA is in power that has stopped.

What EU territory is the US going to take over?

The territory of Denmark. Did you already forget the Greenland issue ?

And... What is the US doing that is harmful to the EU?

You mean except for the tariffs, trying to force Europe into a trade war with China, demanding scrapping of EU regulations or else, industrial espionage, blatantly supporting extremist parties who are hostile to the EU in several of its countries ...

 

[tstorm823]

So you’re either being willfully ignorant or not paying attention. Pretty obvious I was regering to the strategy document where the traitors call for “resistance against Europe’s course” as well as plotting to weaken the EU.

Funny, the line before "resistance to Europe's current trajectory" is "enable Europe to stand on its own feet", which is the opposite of weakening, and the most specific complaint about Europes trajectory is about building factories in China run off of Russian oil, which I'm doubting you support either. What's disgusting here?

 

[Agema]

And don't play dumb. You're not convincing anyone. You know its Greenland. You know Trump has an obsession with getting it and that he refused to rule out getting it through military means. Besides whether its going to happen or not isn't the point.

To all intents and purposes Trump has reactivated the Monroe Doctrine, which is basically that the USA has a God-given right to dominion over all the Americas. Trump has filled the Caribbean with military, is threatening the independence of Venezuela, has threatened Colombia, attempted to interfere in Brazil's internal affairs to protect his protege and is bailing out and holding a debt over Argentina.

Greenland, let's not forget, is geographically part of North America.

That Trump even openly talks about seizing lands from his allies just shows how the US has rotten to the core in terms of how they treat their allies.

Not quite.

In order for this to be true, Europe would need to be the USA's ally. But as far as Trump is concerned, Europe is not the USA's ally. There's no-one to tell him otherwise, so therefore the reality is that the USA and Europe are no longer allies.

 

[thebobmaster]

To all intents and purposes Trump has reactivated the Monroe Doctrine, which is basically that the USA has a God-given right to dominion over all the Americas. Trump has filled the Caribbean with military, is threatening the independence of Venezuela, has threatened Colombia, attempted to interfere in Brazil's internal affairs to protect his protege and is bailing out and holding a debt over Argentina.

Greenland, let's not forget, is geographically part of North America.



Not quite.

In order for this to be true, Europe would need to be the USA's ally. But as far as Trump is concerned, Europe is not the USA's ally. There's no-one to tell him otherwise, so therefore the reality is that the USA and Europe are no longer allies.

And anyone who could tell him otherwise won't, because he's proven time and again that disagreeing with him in any way marks you as his enemy, and there is nothing too petty for him to stoop to if he decides you are his enemy.

 

[Hades]

Funny, the line before "resistance to Europe's current trajectory" is "enable Europe to stand on its own feet", which is the opposite of weakening, and the most specific complaint about Europes trajectory is about building factories in China run off of Russian oil, which I'm doubting you support either. What's disgusting here?

No. The plans in the document would weaken the EU which will make it less capable of standing on its own feet. If the US was interested in a Europe that could stand on its own feet they wouldn't want to turn Europe into a divided continent of mini countries. They'd be all for EU integration if they wanted a strong Europe...but they don't. They explicitly mention empowering parties ''promoting the sovereignty of the nation state''' and by that they don't mean parties wanting to protect Europe from foreign vultures(like the US). They mean parties that are anti EU and pro Russia...almost as if they want Europe to be divided and weak.

I'm going to be generous and assume you're naive.

 

[Trunkage]

EU is too high on censorship, Musk is right about that. Why should you or the EU care about Musk and his dealings? Hypothetically, if he makes Twitter unavailable in the EU, so fucking what? It would be better without it.

The UK is the only country that left the EU and the people voted for that. What EU territory is the US going to take over? You worry about stuff that isn't going to happen.

It would be really cool if Musk weren't so Anti-Free Speech himself. Musk is a troll, and he is trolling anyone who is pro-Free Speech

And, in general, US right-wingers say 'Free Speech' as a justification to quash other people's Free Speech

 

[Trunkage]

Funny, the line before "resistance to Europe's current trajectory" is "enable Europe to stand on its own feet", which is the opposite of weakening, and the most specific complaint about Europes trajectory is about building factories in China run off of Russian oil, which I'm doubting you support either. What's disgusting here?

Being Capitalist isn't showing weakness

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Censership smemsership. Its not the EU that forces people off TV because they're critical of El Presidente. Also why should the EU care about Musk and his dealing? Why do you think companies want to see citizens deprived of protection? Because they want to abuse those citizens when the protections go away. A company isn't lobbying to remove laws against dumping toxic waste if they don't want to dump toxic waste, they're not lobbying to underpay employees if they don't want to underpay employee's etcetera etcetera. The EU too is fairly neoliberal but the citizens do have protections against corporations, and that's why Musk wants to tear us down.

And don't play dumb. You're not convincing anyone. You know its Greenland. You know Trump has an obsession with getting it and that he refused to rule out getting it through military means. Besides whether its going to happen or not isn't the point. That Trump even openly talks about seizing lands from his allies just shows how the US has rotten to the core in terms of how they treat their allies.

Hate speech and misinformation are not actual protections... They are a form of censorship.

Greenland is never becoming US territory unless Greenland actually wants that to be the case.

Yes, if you count EU countries individually the US is in the lead. However, the EU alone has provided more than double the aid the US did. And pretty much all the US help is from Bidens era. Since MAGA is in power that has stopped.


The territory of Denmark. Did you already forget the Greenland issue ?


You mean except for the tariffs, trying to force Europe into a trade war with China, demanding scrapping of EU regulations or else, industrial espionage, blatantly supporting extremist parties who are hostile to the EU in several of its countries ...

Europe has not provided more than double the aid of the US...

Tracking US and NATO support for Ukraine: A full breakdown

Ukraine has received at least 309 billion euros ($360bn) in aid from 41 countries since the start of the war.

www.aljazeera.com

Just because Trump says something doesn't mean it has any chance in hell of happening or that it's even actually anything anyone is working on.

If the US buys less stuff from China, it's an attack on the EU? What you guys call extremist and what are extremist are 2 different things.

It would be really cool if Musk weren't so Anti-Free Speech himself. Musk is a troll, and he is trolling anyone who is pro-Free Speech

And, in general, US right-wingers say 'Free Speech' as a justification to quash other people's Free Speech

I don't really care about Musk. Musk and Trump are both trolls that get off on attention and you guys keep providing them with attention, not me. People in here are still talking about Trump's Greenland "threat". He is right about the EU regulations though.

 

[Trunkage]

I don't really care about Musk. Musk and Trump are both trolls that get off on attention and you guys keep providing them with attention, not me. People in here are still talking about Trump's Greenland "threat". He is right about the EU regulations though.

Musk is a business owner. Of course, he's was opposed to regulation. Polluting the earth, damaging the economy and harming people is his God given right. Eg. The Epstein Files have not come out because many business owners believe its their right to treat people that way

As to regulations.... some are bad and some are good. Musk doesnt care. He just wants them gone.

Lastly, pointing out when someone is wrong isn't giving the attention they want. They want the attention of sycophants who will defend Musk and Trump even while they kill people