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Trump is giving farmers $12B in aid. They've been hit hard by his trade war with China
President Donald Trump is giving farmers some $12 billion in aid to help as they struggle to sell their crops while getting hit by rising costs.
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Trump royally fuck his voter base, then bail them out (with everybody else money) so they're not angry with him and will vote for him again because democrat expect them to be productive member of society whereas Trump just want their loyalty and couldn't care less after that. The lazy, unproductive peoples flock to him because he promise a world where meritocracy is replaced by loyalty and willingness to compromise ethic for advancement.
So you have a transnational organization that you see as organized specifically to combat the influence of other nations, specifically calling the US a vulture, and you think it is disgusting and unreasonable that the US government might have negative opinions of that specific organization...
You're the problem! You want to hate the US, condemn the US, build empires to combat the US, and then express disgust that the people you do everything you can to oppose might imagine you're wasting your efforts and pushing power into the hands of hostile nations just to spite us.
What are you even talking about? Europe being strong enough to protect itself doesn't need to be a threat to anyone if they don't mean to do us harm. The US being opposed to a powerful Europe already signals their desire to do us harm despite being allies. The US and an independent Europe can coexist perfectly as long as the US allows it. Under Trump they refuse that.
The EU isn't build do ''combat the US'', heck the US was even a proponent of it. But if the US wants to do us harm its definitely better to stand together than alone. What do you even mean with ''pushing power in the hands of hostile nations?'' when the whole point is power over Europe not being given to hostile nations. Most prominently Russia but if the US insists on being hostile then them too. Europeans being in charge of Europe sounds intensely reasonable.
Why are you even whining about Europe supposedly ''building empires to combat'' the US, when Trump wants to reduce us to powerless vassals? Any conflict here is initiated by the vermin in the White House, not us.
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If Europe can deal with problems without needing the US to get involved, the US isn't guaranteed a say in how Europe handles problems. For some people in the US that might be considered a threat. And not totally without cause...imagine if the Gulf War 2 was due to Europe invading Iraq while the US stayed out and worried about the fallout.
Ok but the problem is the US wants to prevent exactly this scenario by keeping us divided
From that very same sourceEurope has not provided more than double the aid of the US...
Tracking US and NATO support for Ukraine: A full breakdown
Ukraine has received at least 309 billion euros ($360bn) in aid from 41 countries since the start of the war.www.aljazeera.com
In total, Europe as a whole has committed 257.4 billion euros ($300bn) and the US 119 billion euros ($139bn).
You are probably mislead by the picture listing the EU commission and council seperately from the EU mamber states. You would have to add those.
Just because Trump says something doesn't mean it has any chance in hell of happening or that it's even actually anything anyone is working on.
No.
But demanding that the EU does not export high tech to China, does not import anything from China that they could buy from the US at a higher price, cancel all the silk road projects, put high EU tariffs of Chinese goods and don'tr give any gouvernment contracts to Chinese comapanies are.
The US has tried so sabotage EU-China trade for at least a decade now.
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You're the one who said it's there to protect from the US. You come on here and largely freak out about the US. Nations over there have parades with insulting caricatures of the US president. And have regulated markets to try and push out US goods. And vote at the UN against US interests regularly.
The US is more powerful, that makes it feel threatening, that makes it feel like punching down. But do not pretend for a second that you're over there just wishing for a peaceful flowery coexistence with the United States. The US constantly has to take the high road, and now there's the faintest hint of a finger wag at you for immigration and trade policies (which you wouldn't blink if the EU condemned Trump for immigration and trade policies, I bet that's happened dozens of times just this year) while declaring support for your strength and stability, and you can't take it.
We have parades and protests with insulting caricatures of numerous disliked authority figures: the US president, our own heads of state or ministers, Putin, Xi. You may find this objectionable owing to the Republicans' one-sided view of the freedom of speech.
Like how tariffs artificially jack up the prices of imported goods, pushing them out? We don't have protectionist regulations half as coercive or indiscriminate as those.
If the US didn't vote quite so often in such indefensible ways at the UN, this wouldn't happen so much.
Essentially all of this is just whining about other countries' sovereignty and expression, and opining that its fine to undermine their democratic institutions in retaliation. Its diet imperialism.
Ah, more of that pathetic, self-pitying and refusal to take responsibility.
Pretty much no Europeans in this forum hate the USA. At minimum, not as much as some of your own fellow Americans appear to. Europeans can reasonably criticise the USA on any number of levels: virtually none of those are outside the bounds that many Americans criticise their own country as part of normal, healthy political disagreement. Europeans can have genuine and strong reasons to be unhappy with the USA, such as when it kicked up an unjustified war and got spiteful when Europeans didn't want to get involved, and Europeans ended up paying in blood for the misadventure. But then it's not all one way: Obama returned a favour to France and the UK over Libya despite his skepticism, and that's how it should work.
The context of European concerns about the USA is that the USA has a lot of power it has leveraged over the EU since WW2. Today, for instance, the tech industry is a major part of the US economy, but the way the USA protects it causes issues for the EU in terms of security, policy independence, etc. To give an idea of this, virtually all the internet used to go through the USA. Then we found out from the Snowden revelations that the USA was using this to snoop on everyone, including its allies, for it's own benefit. Currently, huge amounts of data still flows through the USA: the USA can and will severely disadvantage EU citizens just doing their jobs. If the US government wants my data as a UK citizen, even if it's stored in server outside the USA, Microsoft will just hand it over.
You might understand why this could be considered potentially threatening. Obviously, it is not the sort of thing that the average American such as you troubles your little head with, so no doubt it might sound very confusing to hear that Europeans might have some concerns. Nevertheless there's an understanding that friends and relatives can disagree, there are pros and cons, and Europeans have remained broadly positive towards the USA, seeing the alliance as mutually beneficial.
Until Trump.
This is what Trump is revealing: he wants nothing but profit, and the EU is expected to work for the USA. The USA keeps all its benefits - the privileges of tech dominance, telling the EU who it can and can't trade with for American benefit, etc. and then pays nothing back in return. And every time he does that shit, he makes Europeans think more and more that the USA is not a safe and reliable partner, it's an exploitative and abusive partner, and we'd be better off without.
But it's worse. No matter what the wording of that hate tract his administration has just pumped out, Trump and its allies are overtly backing the far right across Europe. These are xenophobic nationalists, and xenophobic nationalists hate and seek to exploit other nations. What he is therefore actually working on is the fragmentation of Europe: these are anti-EU parties, of course they are! No wonder Russia is excited, because if the EU fragments that gives it much greater opportunity to restore its own influence over eastern Europe. They're not stupid enough to print that openly in public documents, but it's what his administration is actually doing.
It would be nice to see Americans who still wanted Europe as an ally. But at the end of the day, it's clear that protecting your orange daddy from any and all criticism is more important to you and other Republicans than your partners in long-term strategic alliance, and we get that.
Ah there it is. We regulated our markets. Yeah no shit sherlock. In Europe citizens have protections. If the US wants to deprive us of it then that's all the more reason to band together to protect us. Make better stuff with human consumption in mind then.
I said its to protect from foreign vultures. If the US insists on being that then that includes the US. Doesn't matter if its Russia, China, the US or Mongolia for that matter. The EU must be strong enough to avoid Europe being dominated by outside powers. Why pretend that's anything other than reasonable? Especially because as our ally America shouldn't even want to see us dominated.
Uh we're the ones who went to war for the US and typically ally with it against China and Russia. But now its Europe that's in danger the US suddenly has no interest in being allies anymore, and even schemes with our enemies. So far any detoriation in the alliance has been initiated by the US, not by Europe. The US is simply ungrateful and unreliable.
You also said something about me living in a fantasy world for noticing the bad treatment America gives it allies, but if you think America takes the high road then that more applies to you. Anything from the petty freedom fries nonsense to spying on their allies. And that was during the ''good times'.
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I added up all the numbers in the chart, including the EU commission, and it's 194.91, nowhere near close to 257.4. I even added up nations like Japan and South Korea because I was just looking at the numbers while inputting them in the calculator so what Europe has sent to the Ukraine is less than 194.91.
So then not all Trump's fault as Trump has been president not even half of that time.
From this, sounds like Europe's issues with China have nothing to do with anything malicicious on the US's part.
China vs. the E.U.: The Trade War Nobody Is Talking About (Yet) | Dunham
China’s exports are flooding Europe, widening deficits and sparking new tariffs—an overlooked trade war that could reshape global markets.
I never claimed that Musk is some free speech warrior, though I do feel overall that Twitter does less censorship since Musk has taken over. Even if you don't like Musk, you can admit when he is right about something, can't you? You guys are so emotional over everything. Just objectively look at things, it's not that hard. I will always be against censorship no matter what.
If I've learnt anything from the last 20 years, it's that free speech is the worst understood and most hypocritically argued human right.
You're either for free speech or you're not
If you get to pick and choose which free speech is allowed and which isn't, you're not for free speech
(I assume this is obvious but in case it's not, this is free speech that doesn't hurt people like yelling FIRE in a movie theater)
Musk is for free speech that is to his benefit, nothing more (it's probably just a coincidence that his free speech lets all the racist, sexist, white supremacy, transphobic ass clowns run wild)
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Well...yes...but then anyone who wants to limit free speech will tend to argue, rightly or wrongly that it's to stop it hurting people, in some way. Sometimes this is simply due to differences in opinion over what counts as hurting people, often it's not in good faith, of course.
Look, it's OK to call people racial slurs, that's just words. But calling someone a Nazi is hurtful! Nazi's are people, too! -most MAGA supporters
But he’s not right. His main problem with “censorship” is that it makes it harder for him to turbo boost the fascists. Allegedly anyway since Twitter’s already effective in his goals.
And people’s opinion of censorship is meaningless. States rule the country, not corporations run by fascist freaks. If a company operates in a country they need to adhere to the country’s laws.
And in a continent where wildspread demonization led to the most well known genocide in history it’s not really unreasonable for the law to say you might not be allowed to call brown people as subhumans.
The source explains this. You're counting the allocated aid, whereas Satinavian quoted the pledged aid.
The US's pledged aid is not much higher than their allocated aid, because Trump has been pledging so much less, and the gap is closing-- so the majority of it is all in the past. Whereas Europe continues to pledge.