Funny events in anti-woke world

[Schadrach]

as was the whole ''states rights'' junk

Oh, now, it was definitely about states rights. Just one in particular that was being attacked at the time, that only the South was really concerned with keeping, and that became the moral tent pole to hang the whole thing on (or hang escapees from, as the case may be).

The key sign that it had an impact on states rights as a thing outside of just slavery is how much more expansive federal reach into what had been state affairs got post-Civil War, and not just in ways connected to the slavery issue. Usually through abusing the interstate commerce clause to justify things.

Republican C-SPAN Caller Apologizes For Trump’s Latest Scandal: ‘This Is Not a Decent Man’

"This is not a decent man. This is not an honest man. He openly takes bribes. He's pathetic as a president. And I just want to apologize to everybody in the country for supporting this rotten man."

www.yahoo.com

Which is the actual problem? The lying, corruption, racism, etc, or the blatancy of it all?

If he was subtle about it, a lot fewer of them would know about it. The lying, corruption and bribery are so blatant you have to literally believe anything that isn't pro-Trump propaganda is necessarily a lie to not see it.

FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn’t running a sex trafficking ring for powerful men, files show

The FBI pored over Jeffrey Epstein’s bank records and emails. It searched his homes. It spent years interviewing his victims and examining his connections to some of the world’s most influential people.

apnews.com

I imagine with precise enough, narrow enough definitions you could arrive at that, like how Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.

 

[Agema]

If he was subtle about it, a lot fewer of them would know about it. The lying, corruption and bribery are so blatant you have to literally believe anything that isn't pro-Trump propaganda is necessarily a lie to not see it.

And therein also the slightly awkward reality that an awful lot of the electorate don't really care about corruption so long as they feel their interests are being met.

Although the flipside of that is the minute they don't feel their interests are being met, they will often turn on a corrupt administration with particular ferocity, because it's particularly galling to see people enriching themselves when they're not enriching their voters as well.

 

[Schadrach]

And therein also the slightly awkward reality that an awful lot of the electorate don't really care about corruption so long as they feel their interests are being met.

I've mentioned before what state I'm from before, perhaps you've heard of our most famous Senator? He got his start in politics by founding a KKK chapter, he filibustered the Civil Rights Act for 14 hours, a shocking number of places are named for him, etc, etc. He also didn't stand for anything at all - he was a political mirror and reflected his constituency and when that constituency moved on race he moved with them on that just as well as with everything else.

He was also corrupt as fuck, and everyone here knew it, but he did a lot of good for the state in the process so he kept getting reelected. Died in office. At one point held the record for both the person to have served in Congress the longest and for the oldest Senator.

But "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" is pretty common for politicians here - the town where I grew up has had the same mayor since 1975, and he'll be there until he dies or decides to retire. He actually ran for office originally out of revenge - a town cop made a pass at his fiancee on the day of their wedding rehearsal, the mayor was unwilling to even verbally reprimand the cop for it and he ran for office specifically to have the power to fire him. He did the job well enough and most election years he runs unopposed, though occasionally someone has an issue with him and runs against him, only to lose (though one time it was super close).

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Ok, so you're now fully dismissing the reliability of the metric you introduced to this discussion. Well done.



If you're using the term "common" without a category other than "things that happen", you've rendered the word totally meaningless.

3 times a year is exceptionally rare if we're talking about bathing.

3 times a year is exceptionally common if we're talking about having heart attacks.

You see how the category determines the weight and relevance of any judgement on frequency?



So in short, distancing guidelines made it impractical.



Ok, and you think this WHO instruction to aid workers was the same thing as a domestic lockdown?



They don't lose life, no. They lose substantial quality of life and freedom.

Are you arguing they're dead?

Nope, it's just that you need a certain dose of a virus to get infected, which was all I said. You are claiming you can get sick from fleeting contact and there's no science saying that. The article I linked to even says researchers usually use animals to determine infectious dose, but viruses are highly host specific so finding how much say covid it takes to infect a monkey or rat or whatever means almost nothing with regards to humans. I have to keep open a tab to these things for like a month because you never actually read what it says and claim it says all these other things.

How Many Microbes Does It Take to Make You Sick? | Quanta Magazine

Exposure to a virus isn’t an all-or-nothing proposition. The concept of “infectious dose” suggests ways to keep ourselves safer from harm.

www.quantamagazine.org

If it was common to catch a cold from going to the store, people would have far more colds. You catch and cold and get over it, then you have say 2-4 weeks of immunity of catching another one. So that would be like a month that you can't get another cold (the week it takes to get over it, say 3 weeks of immunity). People should be catching a cold then like every month or at least every other month if all it took was fleeting contact of being next to a sick person at a store or something. That obviously doesn't happen.

It was bullshit guidelines not based in science that made it impractical...

You think the WHO is the only one giving that type of guideline?

That's why only 20% of lockdown time was compared to life lost. Do you also not like the metric "quality adjusted life years" that puts different values based on your health condition? A death of a 60 year old with chronic issues and a death of a very healthy 60 year old would not be viewed equally. Just like a year of life in a lockdown is not equal to a year of life not in a lockdown.

 

[Chimpzy]

Apparently the WH sent out a "DON'T PANIC" email yesterday

 

[thebobmaster]

 

[Silvanus]

Nope, it's just that you need a certain dose of a virus to get infected, which was all I said. You are claiming you can get sick from fleeting contact and there's no science saying that.

There's some very basic science saying that.

A single cough from someone infected with a rhinovirus can contain ~3k virus-laden droplets; a single sneeze can contain ~40k. That's hundreds of thousands of viral particles at the very least, and potentially millions in a few coughs and sneezes, able to be shed in less than a minute or two.

Now, you've already provided us with a source on the TCID-50 and HID-50 for things like the common rhinovirus. And it's a hell of a lot less than that. You inhale a fraction of a single sneeze, and you've already met the threshold.

If it was common to catch a cold from going to the store, people would have far more colds.

Based on... you reckoning so? Hell, clusters have been reported from fomite transmission at stores, from passersby touching objects that others have sneezed on.

It was bullshit guidelines not based in science that made it impractical...

K. I'm not arguing with you over whether it was impractical or not, the way they did it.

You think the WHO is the only one giving that type of guideline?

I'm sure they're not, yet they're the example you brought up. If your own example was irrelevant, feel free to move on. What policy actually stopped aid workers travelling abroad? Was it the domestic lockdown?

That's why only 20% of lockdown time was compared to life lost. Do you also not like the metric "quality adjusted life years" that puts different values based on your health condition? A death of a 60 year old with chronic issues and a death of a very healthy 60 year old would not be viewed equally. Just like a year of life in a lockdown is not equal to a year of life not in a lockdown.

Generally, I don't view "studies" that try to pass subjective judgements on the value of life as credible. They should stick to the actual science. In this case, compare like for like, or don't compare.

 

[Chimpzy]

GOP congressman calls for probe of Bad Bunny's Super Bowl performance

A GOP congressman has requested an investigation of Bad Bunny's history-making Super Bowl LX halftime performance, claiming it was \

www.usatoday.com

Next on the agenda is reopening the probe into that dastardly Presley and his unseemly hip gyrations

 

[Chimpzy]

US Cancer Institute Studying Ivermectin’s ‘Ability To Kill Cancer Cells’ - KFF Health News

At a January event organized by allies of health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., National Cancer Institute Director Anthony Letai said results may be released “in a few months.” Ivermectin, used to deworm horses and other animals, has become a symbol of resistance against the medical...

kffhealthnews.org

"If lots of people believe it and it's moving public health, we as NIH have an obligation, again, to treat it seriously," Bhattacharya said at the event.

Interesting. I eagerly await the many benefits this new vibes-based approach to science will no doubt have.

 

[Hades]

US Cancer Institute Studying Ivermectin’s ‘Ability To Kill Cancer Cells’ - KFF Health News

At a January event organized by allies of health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., National Cancer Institute Director Anthony Letai said results may be released “in a few months.” Ivermectin, used to deworm horses and other animals, has become a symbol of resistance against the medical...

kffhealthnews.org

Interesting. I eagerly await the many benefits this new vibes-based approach to science will no doubt have.

Kennedy really is one of the more damning instances of the US electorate refusing to do their duty. Its been argued that some peoples are just that disconnected from politics that they don't know how horrid and downright silly Trump and co are. Kinda dubious but fair enough. However pretty much the only thing Kennedy is known for is that he's an anti vaxer nutter who wants to destroy the health of the public. And Trump made it a point to mention he'd put Kennedy in office to go do just that.

People will be forced to get sick and die during Kennedy's tenure, and no American can claim they didn't know.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

There's some very basic science saying that.

A single cough from someone infected with a rhinovirus can contain ~3k virus-laden droplets; a single sneeze can contain ~40k. That's hundreds of thousands of viral particles at the very least, and potentially millions in a few coughs and sneezes, able to be shed in less than a minute or two.

Now, you've already provided us with a source on the TCID-50 and HID-50 for things like the common rhinovirus. And it's a hell of a lot less than that. You inhale a fraction of a single sneeze, and you've already met the threshold.



Based on... you reckoning so? Hell, clusters have been reported from fomite transmission at stores, from passersby touching objects that others have sneezed on.



K. I'm not arguing with you over whether it was impractical or not, the way they did it.



I'm sure they're not, yet they're the example you brought up. If your own example was irrelevant, feel free to move on. What policy actually stopped aid workers travelling abroad? Was it the domestic lockdown?



Generally, I don't view "studies" that try to pass subjective judgements on the value of life as credible. They should stick to the actual science. In this case, compare like for like, or don't compare.

That doesn't say anything... Firstly, how many of the viral particles are even active? Secondly, people don't cough or sneeze on you (really only kids do at times). That does in no way prove anything, theory and real-world are 2 different things. How could I have possibly not gotten sick this cold season (Fall thru Spring) if contacting colds was this easy? At least 4 days a week, I'm sitting close to people for 4+ hours (that's not even counting co-workers and random passerbyers from work/stores/wherever). Just last Thursday at the bar for trivia (where the place was so packed they brought in tables from upstairs), 2 of our team came from a cruise that very day and one was sick the very next day, and I sat next to both of them super close to where our legs were bumping into each other all night. Did not get sick from them nor anyone else, chances are pretty high that others there were also sick. You simply don't catch colds nearly that easy.

We found low evidence, that transmission via hands and fomite followed by self-inoculation is the dominant transmission route in real-life indoor settings. We found moderate evidence, that airborne transmission either via large aerosols or small aerosols is the major transmission route of rhinovirus transmission in real-life indoor settings. This suggests that the major transmission route of RVs [Human rhinoviruses] in many indoor settings is through the air (airborne transmission).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665

If the "experts" hadn't pulled that metric from their ass, kids would've been in school sooner.

If the largest international health organization is giving such guidelines, others are also making such guidelines or following the WHO's guidelines.

Objectively you are living a lesser life if you can't do the things you want. A prisoner is living a lesser life in prison, that wouldn't be a punishment if that wasn't objectively true.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Kennedy really is one of the more damning instances of the US electorate refusing to do their duty. Its been argued that some peoples are just that disconnected from politics that they don't know how horrid and downright silly Trump and co are. Kinda dubious but fair enough. However pretty much the only thing Kennedy is known for is that he's an anti vaxer nutter who wants to destroy the health of the public. And Trump made it a point to mention he'd put Kennedy in office to go do just that.

People will be forced to get sick and die during Kennedy's tenure, and no American can claim they didn't know.

So there's been a downturn in vaccinations over the last year? Also, the amount of misinformation given about health by government agencies over the years is through the roof, people don't even understand what food is healthy and what isn't; majority of people think pizza is bad for you because of the cheese and toppings (that's the good stuff).

 

[Silvanus]

That doesn't say anything...

None of your gripes there are substantial. You're dismissing a study you don't like (again) based on your feelings and some half-baked irrelevances, because you drew the conclusion you wanted to draw long before looking. The long, waffling anecdote is the icing on the cake.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Republicans: "The government shouldn't play favorites in the market!"
Trump: "Let's force the military to use power from coal plants to prop up the industry."

Trump orders the military to make agreements with coal power plants

The administration's "reasoning" for doing so has little connection to reality.

arstechnica.com

The executive order instead seeks to highlight coal’s supposed ability to produce a constant power output, touting the “proven reliability of our coal-fired generation fleet in providing continuous, on-demand baseload power.” This seemingly ignores Texas’ recent experience, in which coal plants contributed significantly to the collapse of the state grid, having gone offline for a wide range of reasons.

Hey, why let reality and history get in the way of blocking progress to buy votes from coal workers?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

None of your gripes there are substantial. You're dismissing a study you don't like (again) based on your feelings and some half-baked irrelevances, because you drew the conclusion you wanted to draw long before looking. The long, waffling anecdote is the icing on the cake.

The study doesn't say what you think it does. Measuring how many viral particles come from a sneeze does not mean much of anything besides for how many viral particles are in a sneeze. You can't extrapolate that as proof for a claim that viruses are super easy to catch.

It's literally the same thing as this bullshit story about finding covid RNA on a ship 17 days after it was evacuated. It's a completely meaningless data point for transmission of covid. The only thing a story like that accomplishes is instilling fear into the public.

Coronavirus genetic material stayed on surfaces for up to 17 days on Diamond Princess cruise, CDC says

A new CDC report\u00a0into the spread of the novel coronavirus on cruise ships looked into the spread of the disease beyond individual voyages.

www.usatoday.com

Funny how you claim (without evidence like you always do) that clusters of people getting sick (I assume with normal cold/flu/etc) came from people touching things at a store yet actual science says the common cold doesn't significantly transmit via that route.

 

[Silvanus]

The study doesn't say what you think it does. Measuring how many viral particles come from a sneeze does not mean much of anything besides for how many viral particles are in a sneeze. You can't extrapolate that as proof for a claim that viruses are super easy to catch.

Fucking hell, obviously. But we're not extrapolating from that alone.

We also know the infectious dose. The HID-50 and TCID-50. And so we know that someone can reach the infectious dose many times over by breathing in even a small fraction of someone else's sneeze.

Funny how you claim (without evidence like you always do) that clusters of people getting sick (I assume with normal cold/flu/etc) came from people touching things at a store yet actual science says the common cold doesn't significantly transmit via that route.

Wrong as usual. Fomite is not the main transmission route for rhinoviruses, but it remains a major one. An example is already provided in the links you've been given.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Fucking hell, obviously. But we're not extrapolating from that alone.

We also know the infectious dose. The HID-50 and TCID-50. And so we know that someone can reach the infectious dose many times over by breathing in even a small fraction of someone else's sneeze.



Wrong as usual. Fomite is not the main transmission route for rhinoviruses, but it remains a major one. An example is already provided in the links you've been given.

Then people would get sick so much more easily if that was true. Have I somehow avoided an infectious dose all cold season so far by simply being like the luckiest person ever? Surely I have breathed in even just small fractions of coughs and sneezes (also just people breathing as in crowded rooms as well) at numerous points this cold season yet not a single cold.

We found low evidence, that transmission via hands and fomite followed by self-inoculation is the dominant transmission route in real-life indoor settings. We found moderate evidence, that airborne transmission either via large aerosols or small aerosols is the major transmission route of rhinovirus transmission in real-life indoor settings. This suggests that the major transmission route of RVs [Human rhinoviruses] in many indoor settings is through the air (airborne transmission).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196655322008665

 

[Silvanus]

Then people would get sick so much more easily if that was true.

Based on you reckoning so?

Have I somehow avoided an infectious dose all cold season so far by simply being like the luckiest person ever? Surely I have breathed in even just small fractions of coughs and sneezes (also just people breathing as in crowded rooms as well) at numerous points this cold season yet not a single cold.

More irrelevant anecdote.

You have an immune system, buddy. Everyone does. Sometimes it wins out; sometimes it doesn't.

Only you would interpret the fact you didn't get sick from something as proof that nobody gets sick from that thing.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

"If it's good enough for Dick Cheney, it's good enough for me!"

Wasatch County Republican Chair arrested for allegedly waterboarding teen daughter

A 54-year-old Heber City man is facing aggravated child abuse charges after his 16-year-old daughter told police that he waterboarded her.

www.fox13now.com

 

[Chimpzy]

"If it's good enough for Dick Cheney, it's good enough for me!"

Wasatch County Republican Chair arrested for allegedly waterboarding teen daughter

A 54-year-old Heber City man is facing aggravated child abuse charges after his 16-year-old daughter told police that he waterboarded her.

www.fox13now.com

Idiot jumped the gun. Should've waited until US laws changed and wives and daughters become property again, as god intends.