Conflict between Palestine and Israel escalates

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I hate to be that guy given how hawkish I am, but Obama was right. Saudi Arabia killed untold numbers of people in Yemen, and Israel killed untold numbers in Gaza, and Iran is killing it's own people because Trump axed the Iran Deal. Had he it, and done a USMCA like deal with it none of the above would have happened. Saudi Arabia may have still fought a war in Yemen but it could be deterred by Iran more, the Houthis may have lost more ground even if the UAE, and Saudis wouldn't bicker against the Sunni government there. Israel may not have gotten one over Iran with the Arab normalization deals, and we could have seen a lessening of tensions in the region.

Again Iran is at fault for killing it's own people, Saudi Arabia did bomb hospitals in Yemen, and Israel is killing killing as many Palestinians as they can. But some of these could have been avoided or lessen. Even in Syria it was better to wait it out, but back the Kurds, and accept the refugees who would have open restaurants in the US, and been fully Americanized in 1-2 generations. Every time the US acts directly in the middle east in modern memory it's lets to blowback. The progressives like Barbara Lee were right. The Iranian protesters are possibly being used by Trump to get a better deal, and unlike Venezuela it's less salient with a important voting block as Iranians are concentrated in LA while Hispanics are more numerous, and spread-out in many swing states.

It's funny I now have a new rule, you don't generally intervene against a region with a former hyperpower, or the sucessor to one. Saudi Arabia, and Iran used to be the center of historical hyperpower militaries.
 
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They don't even pretend this to be about nukes anymore. Clearly stated reason is regime change.
 

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Europe should stay completely out of this. The last time we joined the US in a dubious(at best) Middle Eastern war the US electorate and officials responded to this by betraying us, scheming with our enemies against us, trying to steal our land and spending too much time either downplaying or mocking those that bled and died for the US over there. Fuck the ingrates. Let them go do this themselves.

Aside from the principle of the matter there's also nothing to be gained from it. Trump as usual doesn't seem to have any plan. He's gonna flex his muscles and then what? What's the endgame? And why did the US forget that not having an endgame last time was exactly why it became such a draining mess?
 

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I bet those Jill Stein voters feel really smart right now.
 

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I bet those Jill Stein voters feel really smart right now.
As they should. Do you think Jill Stein would have gone to war with Iran? Between Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, and Jill Stein, Jill Stein was by far the least likely to go to war with Iran. It isn't close.


If you are not duly chastened, take your garbage to the US presidential election thread where it belongs.
 
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As they should. Do you think Jill Stein would have gone to war with Iran? Between Donald Trump, Kamala Harris, and Jill Stein, Jill Stein was by far the least likely to go to war with Iran. It isn't close.


If you are not duly chastened, take your garbage to the US presidential election thread where it belongs.
Harris was more likely to win in the US elections for any candidate left of center. Do you think Harris would attack Iran? Do you think Harris who was more amicable to Palestinian supporters would be more against Israel compared to Trump. Now fuck off, and fuck you.

Edit: And eat shit.
 
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Europe should stay completely out of this. The last time we joined the US in a dubious(at best) Middle Eastern war the US electorate and officials responded to this by betraying us, scheming with our enemies against us, trying to steal our land and spending too much time either downplaying or mocking those that bled and died for the US over there. Fuck the ingrates. Let them go do this themselves.

Aside from the principle of the matter there's also nothing to be gained from it. Trump as usual doesn't seem to have any plan. He's gonna flex his muscles and then what? What's the endgame? And why did the US forget that not having an endgame last time was exactly why it became such a draining mess?
It's your cities within ballistic missile range, not ours.
 

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They don't even pretend this to be about nukes anymore. Clearly stated reason is regime change.
There's a wide variety of reasons, the leader of Iran was a stubborn mule, and acted like the worst baby boomer leader you can think of, hopefully Kim, and Putin are Next.
 

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So, how would you feel if someone had the same exact thought about Trump? Would that be OK because they're just taking out a leader who is a stubborn mule and acting like the worst baby boomer leader you can think of? Or not OK, because America is the best country in the world?
 

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So, how would you feel if someone had the same exact thought about Trump? Would that be OK because they're just taking out a leader who is a stubborn mule and acting like the worst baby boomer leader you can think of? Or not OK, because America is the best country in the world?
I literally wouldn't care, I didn't vote for him.
 

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Harris was more likely to win in the US elections for any candidate left of center.
Objectively, she lost. And lost the popular vote, something even Hillary managed to win. I can imagine a world of candidates who could do better than her.

Do you think Harris would attack Iran?
She all but said she would, and it's not like democrats have a track record of not randomly attacking countries.

Do you think Harris who was more amicable to Palestinian supporters would be more against Israel compared to Trump.
She wasn't amicable to Palestinian supporters, in fact she silenced them. And she wouldn't have been against Israel at all. We know because she stood right behind Biden in continuing a genocide.

Now fuck off, and fuck you.

Edit: And eat shit.
Nah, you.
 
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