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I would view it as completely performative nonsense wasting people's time over nothing.
Yes, but no-one gives a shit what you think. There are people whose opinions matter, however: this sort of performative hoo-hah is propaganda, it has an intended audience and it's that audience's thoughts that matters.

However, the propaganda's more effective than you have realised: because for all that you imagine you're above the fray, literally here you are, defending the propagandist.
 
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Yes, but no-one gives a shit what you think. There are people whose opinions matter, however: this sort of performative hoo-hah is propaganda, it has an intended audience and it's that audience's thoughts that matters.

However, the propaganda's more effective than you have realised: because for all that you imagine you're above the fray, literally here you are, defending the propagandist.
On the contrary, both of you are defending propaganda. That's what this summons is, it's trying to control the political narrative, and you guys are falling right into it.

I didn't come on here and proactively complain about the Ambassador being summoned, I didn't even come on here to comment on the root issue of political extremists beating each other to death. I responded to someone who thinks the critical issue is about the US Ambassador, which is the precise reason they both summoned him and banned him, to make that the issue.
 

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On the contrary, both of you are defending propaganda. That's what this summons is, it's trying to control the political narrative, and you guys are falling right into it.
Although we all know governments do interfere in each other's domestic politics all the time through various mechanisms, the general principle in postwar politics is that foreign governments do not officially and openly interfere in elements of domestic politics, especially in partisan issues. However, in the last year the Trump administration openly declared its policy was (in effect) to support the European far right, and even published a government strategy paper saying so. Just so we're clear where the start point and context is here in terms of propaganda.

And thus why since Trump took over, interfering tweets from US embassies have been appearing all over Europe. Trump and Vance can shit stir, they've got their own podium. But embassies are guests of their host, and guests are expected to respect their host's rules. So European governments might well invite US embassies to kindly shut the fuck up when they stray out of line.

So if anyone is falling for it, it's you. Which you would do, given the apparent lack of awareness of current US-European foreign policy at the moment, including even the clearly stated intent of your own government. Propaganda loves that sort of ignorance. Unless of course you are actually a propagandist yourself, and to be fair, you really are the most obvious and crude Republican shill.

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Imagine a European Embassy tweeted to condemn the killing in Charlottesville (lots of European politicians did that, I didn't find an ambassador for a perfect comparison though).
Talking about propaganda, it's amazing how it works. To give an example, back in 2017 no-one, even most Republicans, thought it would be controversial or interfering for foreigners to sympathise with the the victim of a Nazi. And yet here you are, after nearly ten years of Trumpist propaganda since Charlottesville...

"I didn't find an ambassador for a perfect comparison though"

Uh-huh, that's interesting, isn't it? If you were less arrogant, this could perhaps have led you to consider some other potential conclusions. Like, maybe the conclusion that it is in fact that the norm that the embassy shuts the fuck up on sensitive domestic issues.
 

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We already have, in this thread, a link to a metastudy encompassing numerous studies about infectious dose and various transmission vectors-- aerosol and fomite both. Then I provided 2 more-- one of which concerns norovirus, yes, but the other concerns rhinoviruses. When you say nothing has been provided, you aren't being truthful.

If you mean we haven't got a study looking at how much active viral material gets into a passerby in a naturalistic, real setting, that's obviously not practical. But we damn well have enough if we know roughly how much is in a sneeze, and how much is needed to create an infection in an experimental setting. We can derive conclusions. We can extrapolate. Its the best we can do within reason, and its how epidemiology and medical science has always been done.

TL;DR: You're essentially arguing that since we don't have a study looking at exactly the same situation as a naturalistic encounter (even though that's not possible), therefore we should just assume there's no risk, even though other methods of analysis show quite a lot of risky material.
You said there's clusters of people getting sick that can be linked to a store. Where has this ever been reported in the actual real world? That is literally your claim.

I can derive conclusions from the fact I've never gotten sick from going to a store... Your metrics don't prove what you think they do. Who the fuck cares about a sneeze? Because people cover their sneezes, that's not a real world route for people getting sick. Even if your significant other is sick and you get sick from them, it's not because they sneezed on you. Seriously, when is the last time you have had an adult sneeze on you or just sneezed in the same room as you to where a majority of that sneeze actually went into the air and could circulate? It's interesting to know how much viral material is in a sneeze but you can't extrapolate to much of anything.
 

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You said there's clusters of people getting sick that can be linked to a store. Where has this ever been reported in the actual real world? That is literally your claim.
It would help if you read-- properly read, beyond skimming for a cheap rebuttal-- the material that has already been posted.

I can derive conclusions from the fact I've never gotten sick from going to a store... Your metrics don't prove what you think they do.
The sheer irony, of saying these datapoints don't prove anything, immediately after saying you derive your conclusions from a 1 person anecdote. Its too much.
 

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This probably more capitalism thread material, but I dunno, there's layers
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Let Them Fly First Class: Kristi Noem’s DHS Luxury Jet Scandal

Inside Noem's flying palace. Plus: Pentagon demands obedient, deadly AI. The race to deploy untested nuclear reactors. Lawmakers move to rein in presidential pardons. And remembering Robert Duvall.

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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem in front of one of her department’s several planes. Noem is facing scrutiny for spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars on luxury jets, including one very special $70 million jet we detail below. (Photo: Alex Brandon-Pool/Getty Images)

Today, we lead with something sure to capture your imagination: the interior of Kristi Noem’s new billionaire-class luxury jet, complete with two bidets and a wet bar with a wine chiller. It will be purchased on your dime from the slush fund Congress approved in the One Big Beautiful Bill.

Noem’s agency isn’t alone in pushing boundaries. Today we also report on the Pentagon threatening an AI company that tried to limit deadly uses of its technology, and the Department of Energy’s rush to get mini nuclear reactors operational ASAP.

In honor of President’s Day, today former President George W. Bush published an essay for America’s 250th anniversary, praising George Washington’s “humility” and his decision to step down rather than become king. Washington, Bush wrote, “relinquished power rather than holding on to it” and “ensured America wouldn’t become a monarchy, or worse.” He “modeled what it means to put the good of the nation over self-interest and selfish ambition.” Words — and ideals — worth remembering today.

At the end of today’s newsletter we share memories of Robert Duvall, the legendary actor. Maybe we can take the advice of his family and, after reading this newsletter, step away from politics to indulge in a great story. Stories take us out of our world, reconnect to our humanity and restore our sense of what’s possible. What’s your favorite Robert Duvall film? Let us know in the comments below.


Here Are Your Headlines
  • High On Your Dime: The DHS Luxury Jet Scandal: DHS this weekend scrambled to defend its plans to purchase a luxury Boeing 737 Max jet for $70 million. A spokesperson claimed the plane would be used for deportation flights, which supposedly “saves the American taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars.” That’s not what official documents say. They state the plane is specifically for “high-profile deportations.” So Kristi Noem’s DHS joins Rupert Murdoch, Mukesh Ambanione of the world’s richest men – and Tony Robbins as the owner of this type of luxury mega jet. We obtained the floor plans for the aircraft, which DHS staff reportedly call Secretary Kristi Noem’s “big, beautiful jet.” It appears to be a flying palace. A sales listing brags that this Boeing 737 Max “redefines luxury travel” and “caters to the most discerning of travelers, offering an exquisite flying experience like no other.” Here’s what your tax dollars are going toward: A “VVIP Cabin Configuration” – that’s Very, Very Important Person — seating just 17 passengers on a massive Boeing 737. It includes two private bedroom suites with queen sized beds. Two showers (in prior administrations even the First Lady’s plane didn’t have a single shower). Multiple bathrooms with electric bidets. A separate buffet bar. Multiple ultra-HDTVs. And a lounge with a wet bar and wine chiller. Take a look here, then ask yourself: Does this scream “deportation efficiency” or “Barbie’s dream plane?”
    • You Have to Spend Money to, erm, Spend Money: The $70 million for Kristi Noem’s luxury jet — which doesn’t include the millions it likely costs to operate — is a fraction of the taxpayer funds she’s burning through on aircraft. Last Fall, DHS purchased two Gulfstream G700 jets for between $172 and $200 million for the Coast Guard. Officials insisted they needed to replace the Coast Guard’s older Gulfstream jet as “a matter of safety.” She’s been on a jet shopping spree! In December, Noem and her de facto chief of staff (and then some) Corey Lewandowski directed DHS to buy 10 Boeing 737 jets from bankrupt Spirit Airlines for deportations and their own travel, despite officials reportedly warning them this would be more expensive than simply contracting flights. That deal collapsed when it became clear that Spirit didn’t actually own the planes. Which also lacked engines. Apparently undeterred, Noem and Lewandowski subsequently directed DHS to purchase six Boeing 737 planes for deportations, at a cost of almost $140 million. The only thing missing is Imelda Marcos’ shoe collection.

  • Going Nuclear
    : The DoD and Department of Energy (DoE) on Sunday airlifted a small nuclear reactor for the first time. The microreactor was transported 700 miles from California to Utah, where it will later be sent to a lab for testing. DoE Secretary Chris Wright said on Sunday the goal is to have three of these new, untested reactors online by July 4. America’s birthday present to itself, apparently. This is the latest step in what Wright called “the American nuclear renaissance,” which he said involves getting “that ball moving again, fast, carefully, but with private capital.” Guess who is behind the push to get these small nuclear reactors ready for use in America’s neighborhoods? Masters of AI. They want them to power their data centers.
  • Don’t Hold Your Breath: The DHS shutdown continues, and with lawmakers on either side seemingly dug in and away from Capitol Hill, there’s no end in sight. About 90% of DHS employees are still working, many without pay; ICE and CBP are working with pay thanks to the $75 billion slush fund earmarked in Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act. But the DHS’s Office of the Inspector General, which is investigating ICE’s use of excessive force and facial recognition, warned the shutdown has forced it to suspend 85% of its audits, evaluations, and inspections.
  • Size Matters: Days after announcing the end of the immigration operation in Minnesota, border czar Tom Homan on Sunday revealed a “small” security force will remain in the state. Homan said the force will deal with “agitators” and “make sure the … agreements we have with local state law enforcement stay in place.” He did not say how large the “security force” would be or when they would leave.
  • Pardon Me: Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE) on Monday became the first Republican lawmaker to sign on to the Pardon Integrity Act, an amendment that would let Congress nullify presidential pardons. Bacon said that “it is clear to me the pardon authority has been abused.” Trump on Thursday pardoned five former NFL players convicted of crimes like counterfeiting and drug trafficking.
  • Stepping Back: Casey Wasserman this weekend announced he is selling his eponymous talent agency, after his newly revealed ties to Ghislaine Maxwell caused many of its high-profile artists to leave. Wasserman said he had “become a distraction” at the agency. It’s a different story at the 2028 LA Olympics, where Wasserman remains the chairman of the organizing committee.
  • Guthrie Latest: Law enforcement officials on Monday made it clear that Nancy Guthrie’s family members, including their spouses, are not suspects in her disappearance. The Sheriff appealed to the media to stop spreading “cruel” false stories. The FBI on Sunday announced it had retrieved DNA from a glove found two miles from Guthrie’s house and seemingly matching that worn by a suspect. The agency said it also found 16 other gloves near the house, most of them belonging to searchers, who’d apparently discarded them.
Ok the format threw me off a bit there so just sorta left most the other stuff in due to related interest



Now this isn't "funny" of course - not sure if repeating that is required, is just some of the accounts of Tesla vehicles locking drivers inside after a crash so they burn alive in front of any helpless first responders come to mind, harrowing enough to feel conflicting doubts around choices of presentation.

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It’s Official: the Cybertruck is More Explosive than the Ford Pinto


We now have a full year of data for the Cybertruck, and a strange preponderance of headlines about Cybertrucks exploding into flames, including several fatalities. That’s more than enough data to compare to the Ford Pinto, a car so notoriously combustible that it has become a watchword for corporate greed.

Let’s start with the data summary, then we’ll do a deep dive.

TL;DR: The CyberTruck is 17 times more likely to have a fire fatality than a Ford Pinto

With that maddening statistic out of the way, let’s dive into the numbers.

Here’s the table, with all sources linked below.

CyberTruck and Ford Pinto Fire Fatalities



Vehicle ModelTotal Units
(Through Jan 1 2025)
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(Per 100,000 units)
Tesla Cybertruck34,438514.52
Ford Pinto (1971–1980)3,173,491270.85
Update: In case you were wondering, ‘are these sample sizes statistically significant?’ The resident scientist over at Some Weekend Reading demonstrates: yes they are!

The Data: Fire Fatality Risk in the CyberTruck and Ford Pinto, Compared

In 2 crashes and 1 incident in their first full year on American roads, the Cybertrucks burned 5 occupants who died. That would be a crash in Piedmont CA with 3 fatalities, a crash in Baytown TX with 1 fatality, and I’m including the incident in Las Vegas NV that I am sure you are all familiar with.

I understand that last inclusion is controversial, as the driver’s burns were reportedly postmortem, so feel free to rerun these statistics without the Las Vegas incident included.

With its decade-long production run, the NHTSA reported that the Ford Pinto and its famously flawed gas tank behind the rear bumper caused 27 fiery deaths with its knowingly negligent design. There are other estimates, including some much higher, but I’m running with confirmable numbers here, either governmental sources for the Ford Pinto or news sources that I can verify for the Tesla CyberTruck.

The Ford Pinto was a meme from the time before memes – a symbol of corporate greed at the cost of consumer safety.

The Data: CyberTruck and Ford Pinto Production Numbers, Compared.

Confirming Ford Pinto production numbers is easy. Between 1970 and 1980, 3,173,491 Ford Pintos were produced. Thank you, unpaid Wikipedia editors, for your oddly intense attention to detail!

Tesla does not release official delivery figures for all of its vehicles, which makes it tricky to say how many CyberTrucks are on the road. My best estimate is that 34,438 CyberTrucks have been delivered to customers as of Jan 1, 2025. I arrived at that number through a variety of means, including piecing together public reporting.

Interestingly, a notable Tesla enthusiast operates a Patreon account where he also does open-source reporting on Tesla production numbers, including an exact number for CyberTrucks produced and delivered to customers. That’s Troy Teslike, and he is famously accurate. Troy asks his subscribers to not share his data, which is absolutely his prerogative as an independent researcher, so I should not say his estimate of CyberTrucks that are on the road.
I can say… his estimate and my estimate are directionally similar, I assume that is because we are both analyzing the same types of public data. If you saw the numbers side by side, I think you would agree. If it sounds like I am mincing my words, that is because I am!

Subscribe to his Patreon if you would like to know his exact estimate. I dug into his methodology pretty deeply, and I can state with some confidence that it all definitely scans. It could be accurate.
If you doubt my number of Cybertrucks on the road, use Troy Teslike’s instead.

Waiting on That NHTSA Crash Testing for the Cybertruck…

So, in conclusion, the Cybertruck is far more dangerous (by volume) that the historic poster child for corporate greed and grossly antagonistic design.

I look forward to the Cybertruck being governmentally crash-tested by the NHTSA, which it has not been thus far. Until then, I can’t recommend sitting in one.

A note from the Chief Towing Officer: This is a story that nobody wants to write. The subject matter is grim, and we’ve done our best to honor the dead. We tried to deliver this as straight-faced news without the jokes, unlike our typical fare. I’m CERTAIN that my inbox will be filled with entirely reasonable replies after I hit publish. OK, maybe that’s wishful thinking. But, reporting news is important work, and we do work. Near as I can tell, you heard it here first. – Kay

A second note from the Chief Towing Officer: We got our first bonafide death threat over this coverage. Ha, I called it. Here it is in full, since it is now part of the story… less the IP address

“You guys are a lying piece of [redacted] rag that purposely spreading false information about cybertruck .. which by will be the best selling truck in the world —- go eat [6 swear words in a row, all redacted] You purposely skewed data to make it sound bad just for your purpose of hurting Tesla. Get ready we plan on suing your [redacted]. You don’t know who we are, but we’re coming after you. go suck a tailpipe get your quickest way out.”
For the record, we do not skew any data for any purpose. We cover the news here. It’s honest work and we’ll keep getting it done. – Kay
If any of that looks off, then apologies. There were some...discrepancies between what was in the type box and what was shown in the preview box
 
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It would help if you read-- properly read, beyond skimming for a cheap rebuttal-- the material that has already been posted.



The sheer irony, of saying these datapoints don't prove anything, immediately after saying you derive your conclusions from a 1 person anecdote. Its too much.
I've never been in an accident on the freeway, therefore freeway driving is perfectly safe. That's how it works, right?

Oh, and knowing exactly when you got sick is an exact science, to the point where you can get sick and determine down to the hour exactly when you got exposed to whatever got you sick. There's no variances in incubation times, no delay in actually feeling symptoms. Everyone's body is exactly the same.

Shoot, I smell smoke, think my sarcasm meter is on the fritz again.

ETA: To be clear, this is pretty much all aimed at Phoenix. I have them on ignore, so I don't think I can reply to them directly, and sometimes the petty side of me comes out and sees a response to what they wrote that makes me want to say something against anything resembling logic. I figure giving in once in a while is like releasing a pressure valve.
 

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It would help if you read-- properly read, beyond skimming for a cheap rebuttal-- the material that has already been posted.



The sheer irony, of saying these datapoints don't prove anything, immediately after saying you derive your conclusions from a 1 person anecdote. Its too much.
You have not provided anything that has shown clusters of infections from a store in the real world.

Your datapoints don't prove what you claim they prove...
 

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Your datapoints don't prove what you claim they prove...
I didn't actually claim they "proved" any particular or exact likelihood. That's a bit of a silly standard with what we're talking about. One could (within reason) prove mechanisms, or the incidence of infection within laboratory settings.

The likelihood of getting infected with the broadest parameters we're discussing-- out in the world, location unknown, duration of contact unknown, shedding viral load unknown, direction of shedding unknown, timeframe of exposure unknown, immune system robustness unknown, weather, surface type, etc etc etc all unspecified? There's no reaching "proof". It is practically impossible.

So, we extrapolate from what we do know and make summary conclusions and recommendations, as epidemiologists and virologists always have. I have provided what we do know.
 
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no-one, even most Republicans, thought it would be controversial or interfering for foreigners to sympathise with the the victim of a Nazi.
And in 2026, no-one, even most Escapist users, believes it is controversial or intervening to hope a mob that beats someone to death should face justice.
 

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ETA: To be clear, this is pretty much all aimed at Phoenix. I have them on ignore, so I don't think I can reply to them directly, and sometimes the petty side of me comes out and sees a response to what they wrote that makes me want to say something against anything resembling logic. I figure giving in once in a while is like releasing a pressure valve.
You can still quote them normally if you use the show ignored content button. It's not going to be worth your time to use the show ignore content button. I keep getting curious as to the context of someone pointing out the blatantly obvious and seeing what they are responding to, and it's always a mistake.
 
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I didn't actually claim they "proved" any particular or exact likelihood. That's a bit of a silly standard with what we're talking about. One could (within reason) prove mechanisms, or the incidence of infection within laboratory settings.

The likelihood of getting infected with the broadest parameters we're discussing-- out in the world, location unknown, duration of contact unknown, shedding viral load unknown, direction of shedding unknown, timeframe of exposure unknown, immune system robustness unknown, weather, surface type, etc etc etc all unspecified? There's no reaching "proof". It is practically impossible.

So, we extrapolate from what we do know and make summary conclusions and recommendations, as epidemiologists and virologists always have. I have provided what we do know.
You have never proven what you said about catching colds from going to the store. I never said, it's impossible, it's just so unlikely that no one should concern themselves with going to the store (outside of probably immune compromised people). There's far under a 1% chance of catching a cold from going to the store.

2-4 colds / year is the average a person gets. You don't catch colds by merely walking around the grocery store (not saying it's a 0% chance but it's extremely low). You catch colds from family, friends, co-workers; the people you are around for long periods of time that are sick.
Yet people do.

Tell me this. If a virus is transmitted through coughs, airborne droplets or fomite transmission, why would it be only possible to transmit through extended contact? Viruses don't need a bridge to sit there for hours. The droplet reaches you, it can infect you.
 

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On the contrary, both of you are defending propaganda. That's what this summons is, it's trying to control the political narrative, and you guys are falling right into it.

I didn't come on here and proactively complain about the Ambassador being summoned, I didn't even come on here to comment on the root issue of political extremists beating each other to death. I responded to someone who thinks the critical issue is about the US Ambassador, which is the precise reason they both summoned him and banned him, to make that the issue.
Its more likely you're falling for the propaganda and political narrative. American diplomats are behaving inept, overly agressive and boorish in especially Europe not by accident, but to set up conflict to sell the base(and preferable the rest of the US) on MAGA's deranged idea that Europe is the enemy.
 
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Its more likely you're falling for the propaganda and political narrative. American diplomats are behaving inept, overly agressive and boorish in especially Europe not by accident, but to set up conflict to sell the base(and preferable the rest of the US) on MAGA's deranged idea that Europe is the enemy.
You're the one propagating, making posts in here unprompted with a lopsided version of events.
 

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You have never proven what you said about catching colds from going to the store.
Read the post to which you responded.

I never said, it's impossible, it's just so unlikely that no one should concern themselves with going to the store (outside of probably immune compromised people). There's far under a 1% chance of catching a cold from going to the store.
I don't really know why you're so obsessed with the store setting. Nobody is suggesting we should all "concern ourselves" with the possibility of catching the common cold in the shop. Nobody is making public health recommendations about shops here, and the common cold is not a serious ailment.

"So unlikely" is a value judgement. Its the most common disease there is, and most people catch it more than a few times every year. So sure, the chance is small in any given visit. But your average person will go several times a week, hundreds of times a year. And your average person catches a cold several times a year. The interaction-infection ratio is "small", 100-<1! ...but that still gives us the most ubiquitous disease on the planet.
 

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You're the one propagating, making posts in here unprompted with a lopsided version of events.
Not really. The criminal ambassador refusing to do his job isn't a lopsided version. Just the objective fact of the matter. There was a summon, he refused to show.

Even if we gave him all the benefit in the world and assume the criminal really was acting in good faith then he still should have done his job when summoned.
 

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Not really. The criminal ambassador refusing to do his job isn't a lopsided version. Just the objective fact of the matter. There was a summon, he refused to show.

Even if we gave him all the benefit in the world and assume the criminal really was acting in good faith then he still should have done his job when summoned.
Ok, but why did you post about it?
 

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Ok, but why did you post about it?
The better question is why you suddenly forgot then name of this thread. Its called ''funny event in anti woke world''

Wouldn't an inept regime sending a criminal as ambassador who's then too incompetent(or malicious) to do his job fit the description of a funny event in anti woke world? And in general wouldn't it highlight the US's clear disdain for its allies, and for proffesional standards?
 
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The better question is why you suddenly forgot then name of this thread. Its called ''funny event in anti woke world''

Wouldn't an inept regime sending a criminal as ambassador who's then too incompetent(or malicious) to do his job fit the description of a funny event in anti woke world? And in general wouldn't it highlight the US's clear disdain for its allies, and for proffesional standards?
You could post any current event somewhere in current events and have it fit the description, but you do not post every current event. You post this. Why are you aware of this in the first place, why does it stand out enough for you to attach your own name to it here?

Maybe most potently, you didn't describe above the events that you posted about originally. You didn't come here just to say that he's incompetent, you likely didn't know anything about the tweet or the summons or him not following them until the final part you don't mention, him being banned for it. They banned him to send a message, that message is passed down through the channels you follow, and then you propagate the message here. Had they just handwaved his absence and gone on with their lives, you likely don't know it ever happened. They are driving your opinions for you.