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You could post any current event somewhere in current events and have it fit the description, but you do not post every current event. You post this. Why are you aware of this in the first place, why does it stand out enough for you to attach your own name to it here?
You're being weird about it. Why would anyone post anything anywhere?

And why exactly wouldn't it be noteworthy? It fits in pretty neatly with the trend of the traitors in the White House being needlessly hostile towards Europe. It also fits with the trend of their ambassadors to Europe repeatedly proving to be a bunch of unhinged buffoons. This is not the first American ambassador who misbehaved in Europe and that's likely deliberate.

They banned him to send a message, that message is passed down through the channels you follow, and then you propagate the message here
Uh no they banned him because he refused to do his job and instead did a deliberate slight towards his host. The criminal ambassador was the one sending a message here, not the other way around.

Had they just handwaved his absence and gone on with their lives, you likely don't know it ever happened. They are driving your opinions for you.
Its not on France to handwave a deliberate slight against them from a hostile actor. Its up to America to stop being hostile, and to if not fire their criminal ambassador then at least sternly reprimand him.

Why would France insist on being a doormat to the freaks in the White House and the buffoons they send to represent them on our continent?
 
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And in 2026, no-one, even most Escapist users, believes it is controversial or intervening to hope a mob that beats someone to death should face justice.
And indeed, if all they did was express sadness at the death of a political activist, there probably wouldn't be an issue.

But seems they included the sentence "violent radical leftism is on the rise and its role in Quentin Deranque’s death demonstrates the threat it poses to public safety." This is stepping into the sensitive area and could have earned a rebuke alone, more so in context that in France (as also the USA and most of the West) most political violence is committed by the right.

However, it definitely goes beyond the pale because it directly echoed the commentary of the French far right National Rally party. The RN wanted to turn the killing into their own 'Charlie Kirk' publicity boost and the US government obligingly interfered to help them.
 
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Read the post to which you responded.



I don't really know why you're so obsessed with the store setting. Nobody is suggesting we should all "concern ourselves" with the possibility of catching the common cold in the shop. Nobody is making public health recommendations about shops here, and the common cold is not a serious ailment.

"So unlikely" is a value judgement. Its the most common disease there is, and most people catch it more than a few times every year. So sure, the chance is small in any given visit. But your average person will go several times a week, hundreds of times a year. And your average person catches a cold several times a year. The interaction-infection ratio is "small", 100-<1! ...but that still gives us the most ubiquitous disease on the planet.
I did read the post, you questioned why you could only get sick over extended contact and I later said infection dose.

You said there's infection clusters linked to stores (which is just beyond ridiculous), not me. It's very very very very unlikely to catch any type of upper respiratory infection from going to the store. I'd be surprised if you catch one cold your entire life from going to the store.

Did you forget covid...?
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I did read the post, you questioned why you could only get sick over extended contact and I later said infection dose.
No: the post to which you responded was about how "proving" the likelihood of infection in a natural, passing interaction is not feasible, and how we extrapolate from what we can know.

It's very very very very unlikely to catch any type of upper respiratory infection from going to the store. I'd be surprised if you catch one cold your entire life from going to the store.
So you believe that every common cold people get-- that's multiple times a year, well over a hundred in the span of a lifetime for every single person, millions worldwide every day-- they're all from extended, hours-long contact with another infected person? That's what you honestly, genuinely believe?

Did you forget covid...?
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Seriously Phoenix, employ the tiniest shred of scepticism.
 
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more so in context that in France (as also the USA and most of the West) most political violence is committed by the right.
Of all the things you've ever said, this is the most delusional.
 

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Of all the things you've ever said, this is the most delusional.
I am a scientist, so generally very data-driven. That the right has been the main author of political violence for the last few decades is indicated by multiple studies, including from law enforcement agencies / governments themselves.

When we consider who is really "delusional" here, I might note your allegiance to an administration that reportedly deletes from public access information that it finds politically inconvenient. Which also recently invited to the White House a British far right 'journalist' with convictions for fraud, harassment and violence who has spent over a decade inciting widescale riots, intimidation and violence in the UK.

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I am assuming from your silence on the bulk of the topic under discussion that you have conceded.
 

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In Europe at least political violence does seem to come more from the right. When a politician gets murdered its typically a left wing one by right ring murderers. Happened in Britain, Germany and Poland. Far right lunatics also stormed the liberal campaign office here in the Netherlands last year.

And the US? Well only one party tried to violenty deny their rival from taking office and install an illigitimate president in his place. It wasn't a left wing party.
 
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In Europe at least political violence does seem to come more from the right. When a politician gets murdered its typically a left wing one by right ring murderers. Happened in Britain, Germany and Poland. Far right lunatics also stormed the liberal campaign office here in the Netherlands last year.

And the US? Well only one party tried to violenty deny their rival from taking office and install an illigitimate president in his place. It wasn't a left wing party.
Oh, in Germany there have also been recorded cases of moderate right politicians being murdered by far right terrorists. Which, of course, doesn't stop them from trying to appeal to them.
 

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I am a scientist, so generally very data-driven. That the right has been the main author of political violence for the last few decades is indicated by multiple studies, including from law enforcement agencies / governments themselves.
Unfortunately for you, I've looked at data like that before. The first source you have draws its data from the Global Terrorism Database, which I accessed years ago but don't have currently and don't feel like submitting a request for at this moment. The way they categorize actions is laughable.

The silliest one I recall was an incident in which a 13-year-old with a bb-gun in a city shot at and damaged the window across the street from his bedroom. That window was on a synagogue. People it was property damage at a Jewish place of worship, they called it an act of antisemitic terrorism, and then filed it as right-wing, because they declared antisemitism to be a right-wing ideology.

That's an extreme example, to be sure, but that's the trend in there. They've scoured crime reports for even tenuous connections to right-wing politics to list as events in their database. If a skin-head biker kills his a member of his own biker gang, they call that right-wing violence. At the same time, they ignore things that are more obviously politically motivated. People digging through recently noted that their database doesn't include the Michael Knowles speech where a couple through lit fireworks at the crowd waiting to get in, injuring a police officer. They're stated intent was the protest of a right-wing speaker, they were there in defense of trans rights, they threw incendiary devices at civilians, they were investigated by the FBI terrorism taskforce, and one is sentenced to 5 years in prison, and that apparently does not count as left-wing political violence. The database is laughable.

And even with the incredibly lopsided way these studies go about, many of them just assuming the premise that aggressive and violent tendencies are categorically right-wing qualities, where that isn't the result of their studies but rather the way they define their terms from the outset, you still have your third source CSIS (deep in the left-wing hellhole that is DC), admitting that currently left-wing violence has eclipsed right-wing violence. It's gotten so bad, they can't even pretend. Like, none of these institutions is ever going to include riots and arson committed by left-wing groups as political violence, that's "mostly peaceful protest", of which France has even more than the US. They spend the holiday celebrating workers rights assaulting the police across Paris as part of the festivities, nobody is putting that in the database. And still, there is too much left-wing violence that cannot be ignored to say that right-wingers are the bigger threat.
 

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In Europe at least political violence does seem to come more from the right.
It would seem that way, because that is the information you receive. Though if we're talking about political assassinations in Europe, Russia outnumbers all the home-grown stuff put together, and left-wingers are intent on categorizing any violence committed either by or against Russia as right-wing. Oppose Russia, that's right-wing violence. Get killed by Russia, believe it or not, also right-wing violence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Unfortunately for you, I've looked at data like that before...
Okay, but why should I or anyone here be interested in the analysis of an incompetent, biased internet rando?
 
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Oppose Russia, that's right-wing violence. Get killed by Russia, believe it or not, also right-wing violence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Aw bless, is so tragic watching someone think they've been clever.

Nationalism is a common thread of the right wing. So it is that non-Russian right wingers might attack Russians, and Russian right-wingers might attack non-Russians.
 

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ationalism is a common thread of the right wing. So it is that non-Russian right wingers might attack Russians, and Russian right-wingers might attack non-Russians.
In theory anyway. In practice the non Russian right wing seem absolutely smitten with Russia. This in a way they noticably aren't with America even under its new far right government. The European far right openly adores Putin no matter how unpopular it is, but with Trump they feel the need to distance themselves.

It would seem that way, because that is the information you receive. Though if we're talking about political assassinations in Europe, Russia outnumbers all the home-grown stuff put together, and left-wingers are intent on categorizing any violence committed either by or against Russia as right-wing. Oppose Russia, that's right-wing violence. Get killed by Russia, believe it or not, also right-wing violence. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
While I didn't include that hellhole with proper Europe, in Russia political violence mostly seem its far right regime murdering its critics. So that would rather increase the right wing political violence by default.

The fun thing is that victims of Russia are typically called members of the far right....by other members of the far right to try and damage their credibility. The idea that Ukraine is full of Nazi for instance. Or that Navalny was also just a Nazi.
 
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No: the post to which you responded was about how "proving" the likelihood of infection in a natural, passing interaction is not feasible, and how we extrapolate from what we can know.



So you believe that every common cold people get-- that's multiple times a year, well over a hundred in the span of a lifetime for every single person, millions worldwide every day-- they're all from extended, hours-long contact with another infected person? That's what you honestly, genuinely believe?



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Seriously Phoenix, employ the tiniest shred of scepticism.
What you are extrapolating does not in any way demonstrate catching is a cold is likely from fleeting contact.

I didn't say all, I said the chance of it happening at a store is so low that there is no need to concern yourself over it. When you get sick the vast majority of the time is due to your friends, family, kids, co-workers being sick and you catching it from them.

So all of these are fake?
 

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In theory anyway. In practice the non Russian right wing seem absolutely smitten with Russia. This in a way they noticably aren't with America even under its new far right government. The European far right openly adores Putin no matter how unpopular it is, but with Trump they feel the need to distance themselves.
Sort of.

Fundamentally, all nationalists end up fighting like cats in a sack, because people who believe their nation should always get one over other nations are always going to end in conflict. Nationalists can and often do look at other countries' nationalist strongmen with great admiration... until there's friction.

And this explains some diverging attitudes to Trump and Putin. Trump has directly threatened EU countries (tariffs, etc.), and thus infuriated the nationalists in those countries. Although Putin is undoubtedly worse that Trump overall, he has not directly threatened many countries. He's threatened broader European interests, Ukraine and bordering countries, etc. But the far right of countries that don't border Russia don't give a shit about wider European interests, Ukraine, Baltic States, etc., so Putin has not activated their animosity.
 

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You didn't just say it can be enough, you said it was many times over an infectious dose, that's a ridiculous statement.
Dude, you are literally arguing that because something doesn't make intuitive sense to you (owing largely to your poor understanding of the topic) it has to be wrong.

Maybe consider that rather than stubbornly trying to assert your preconceptions about how you think things should work, you should actually take the time to read up on the subject to figure out how they actually work, and then have the humility to try to learn.

But instead, all you ever seem to do is rationalize to yourself that doing so would be a waste of your time because "common sense" (read: your preconceptions) conflicts with it.

Case in point:

The infectious dose is something that gets past all your defenses, that's the definition of that term.
That's plainly wrong. Infectious dose (often expressed as ID₅₀) is a probabilistic benchmark: the approximate amount that can lead to successful infection in a given percentage of exposed hosts under defined conditions. It is not a guaranteed threshold that must bypass all defenses.

Think of it like par in golf. Par doesn’t guarantee you’ll finish the hole in that number of strokes; it’s the expected outcome under typical conditions. ID₅₀ works the same way: at that dose, the expected outcome is that half of exposed hosts get infected and about half don’t.

Or to go military with the analogy, it's like estimating the number of soldiers 'needed' to take a city. It's not some natural law that fewer soldiers cannot succeed and more soldiers are guaranteed to, just that the given number is estimated to be sufficient to do so.

To be direct: You're treating it as a binary cutoff that guarantees infection. Infectious Dose is a measure of infection probability upon absorption. Higher exposure increases the likelihood of infection simply by giving the pathogen more chances. That's very different from "something that gets past all your defenses".

Importantly: Many viruses have extremely low ID₅₀ values, while infected individuals can generate extraordinarily high viral loads in expelled material.

For example, Norovirus has been estimated in human challenge studies to have an ID₅₀ on the order of tens of viral particles, while infected individuals can shed 10⁵ - 10¹¹ viral copies per gram of feces. That means a single gram can contain many orders of magnitude more viral particles than the ID₅₀ benchmark.

Similarly, rhinovirus challenge studies show infection at very low doses (on the order of ~10 TCID₅₀ units), while coughs and sneezes can expel thousands to tens of thousands of viral particles. So it is entirely accurate to say a sneeze can contain many times the infectious dose.

That does not mean infection is guaranteed. Infectious dose describes the quantity required to establish infection under controlled conditions. In real-world transmission, only a fraction of expelled particles reach a susceptible host, deposit in the appropriate tissue, and remain viable. Most are lost to dispersion, inactivation, or host defenses. Hence the sheer volume. A larger number of expelled particles does not ensure infection, it simply increases the probability that enough viable particles will successfully initiate one.

That’s why simple measures like covering coughs and sneezes and keeping distance from sick individuals reduce transmission: they reduce the number of viable particles that reach another host, lowering the probability of infection.

We are talking about foundational epidemiology. This isn’t a controversial claim; it’s standard infectious disease modeling.
 

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What you are extrapolating does not in any way demonstrate catching is a cold is likely from fleeting contact.
We're as close as we can practically get to demonstrating that a non-negligible risk exists. Likely from one fleeting interaction? Certainly not. But you have hundreds a day, untold thousands a year.

I didn't say all, I said the chance of it happening at a store is so low that there is no need to concern yourself over it.
You essentially said it just doesn't happen. Which is obvious horseshit.

I have no interest in discussing whether we should be "concerned", because i don't particularly think we should be.

So all of these are fake?
No idea, but you fall for this fake outrage-farming dross all the time, and I'm urging you to think.
 
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