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[ObsidianJones]

No, it's totally normal behaviour. The internet is full of men telling women what women think.

But it's weird that it's normal. That's my point. It's like a person in the majority telling a minority how to feel about their experiences, or a person who isn't addicted to anything telling them how it would be just easy to simply stop the bad behavior.

People don't have a clue.

It's the only way to maintain the narrative. MRAs have created this elaborate mythos to explain why their unhappiness is the fault of women and are now emotionally dependent on that narrative to be able to function.

Which is crazy. First off, they need to adopt the mindset that a lot of the modern females have today "I don't need someone else to add value to myself". The second I figured that out (when I was kid), my life got infinitely better. It's why I can take my blah attractiveness as just an aspect of who I am.

 

[Worgen]

So you honestly claim that a man you don't find attractive suddenly you do after writing you a million poems? Come on. Men need to jump through a million loopholes to get women's approval even when they find these men just remotely attractive, let alone unattractive. He would be considered a creep and told to get lost.

Are you... are you fucken kidding? Of course something like that would be considered attractive by most women, it shows them that the man who is interested in her has something more going on then most of the ones that use some pickup line on them.

Hmmm...starting to sound like an incel here which I'm not xD

Could have fooled me cause you have all their talking points down stat.

 

[stroopwafel]

Why is it all these "ugly men" managed to find wives?

Money.

What if young people have been suckered into increasingly using a system for finding partners that is inferior to the old-fashioned process of going out and meeting people?

Yeah but it's kind of the default method now for people to date. Approaching women on the street isn't really common anymore so what's left? Women are on their phone and on social media non-stop.This whole 'go volunteer at the soup kitchen to get some poon' also always struck me as somewhat ridiculous. Also you talk about 'people' like any man ever would turn down sex with an attractive woman because nope, this college algebra textbook is much more interesting. Some of them perhaps need to lay off the twinkies but still. Of the 1 in 3 young men not having sex atleast 90% can be considered incel.

Is it weird to anyone else that no less than 3 forum members explained their ideas about dating and women's sexuality, and when the sole From-Birth, Male-Attracted Woman Forum Member came and said "Well, no, because this is the true reason why this happens, you only perceive it as such"... just spent five pages explaining and re-explaining her position to guys (who aren't female) who are still telling her that she's either wrong or not being truthful with her feelings.

I mostly just read 5 pages of ego stroking how she wished other women who aren't so beautiful as her and how she is constantly overloaded with attention would just one day know how it feels just to be like her.

 

[Buyetyen]

Which is crazy. First off, they need to adopt the mindset that a lot of the modern females have today "I don't need someone else to add value to myself". The second I figured that out (when I was kid), my life got infinitely better. It's why I can take my blah attractiveness as just an aspect of who I am.

Oh totally agreed. But self-reflection is hard and some people would rather project instead.

I mostly just read 5 pages of ego stroking how she wished other women who aren't so beautiful as her and how she is constantly overloaded with attention would just one day know how it feels just to be like her.

If that's what you want to read into it, that's what you're going to find. If you have an inherently negative opinion of every woman you encounter, you're going to assign the worst possible motives to every one of her actions.

 

[stroopwafel]

If that's what you want to read into it, that's what you're going to find. If you have an inherently negative opinion of every woman you encounter, you're going to assign the worst possible motives to every one of her actions.

I don't have a negative opinion of women I only tried to elaborate how men and women have fundamentally different dating experiences. Most men simply don't have the luxury of choice women have(even uglies) and women can't or don't want to understand this perspective by giving bullshit reasons how it's wrong but when actual choice needs to be made won't pick the short Asian guy no matter how 'nice' he is. Not even if he writes a million poems.

Words are worthless because they cost nothing. When people make actual investments in their lives only then can you determine what they prioritize.

 

[Buyetyen]

I don't have a negative opinion of women I only tried to elaborate how men and women have fundamentally different dating experiences. Most men simply don't have the luxury of choice women have(even uglies) and women can't or don't want to understand this perspective by giving bullshit reasons how it's wrong but when actual choice needs to made won't pick the short Asian guy no matter how nice he is. Not even if he writes a million poems.

Words are worthless because they cost nothing. When people make actual investments in their lives only then can you determine what they prioritize.

You're proving your critics in this thread right. You have a conclusion and any testimony, proof or evidence that is not consistent with your conclusion must be either the result of error, lies or self-deception and bullshit. Do you see how people are going to have some reservations about just taking your word?

 

[stroopwafel]

You're proving your critics in this thread right. You have a conclusion and any testimony, proof or evidence that is not consistent with your conclusion must be either the result of error, lies or self-deception and bullshit. Do you see how people are going to have some reservations about just taking your word?

The proof is in the pudding. How many single guys who disagree with me have had sex in the last year? Or the last 5 years for that matter? Or hence, ever? But well, tell yourself it's all your own choice when you cry yourself to sleep or pop some anti-depressant pills.

 

[lil devils x]

Money.



Yeah but it's kind of the default method now for people to date. Approaching women on the street isn't really common anymore so what's left? Women are on their phone and on social media non-stop.This whole 'go volunteer at the soup kitchen to get some poon' also always struck me as somewhat ridiculous. Also you talk about 'people' like any man ever would turn down sex with an attractive woman because nope, this college algebra textbook is much more interesting. Some of them perhaps need to lay off the twinkies but still. Of the 1 in 3 young men not having sex atleast 90% can be considered incel.



I mostly just read 5 pages of ego stroking how she wished other women who aren't so beautiful as her and how she is constantly overloaded with attention would just one day know how it feels just to be like her.

If that is what you gathered, the point went right over your head. I do not usually even talk about my experiences online or anywhere for that matter, you made a claim and I told you the truth. I could have lied and pretended like I have had a different personal experience, but that isn't the truth. ONE POST =\= 5 pages. You ignored the studies, links, and everything everyone has said to you this many pages in and all you choose to focus on was ONE POST on my personal experience as if it is some EGO stroking BS. You act as if only wealthy men get married, If that were the case, my friends Crystal and Melvin would not be struggling to survive to this day, and he was not very attractive as well, there are plenty of poor and struggling couples that this applies to. You wanting to convince yourself that women are all a bunch of superficial gold digging wannabe Instagram stars instead of actually understanding what THOUSANDS of women are telling you right now what they want in a relationship ( IF you looked at the studies you would see that is the actual truth here and not the Fiction Pseudo EVO psych Incel MRA talking point Drivel). You refuse to acknowledge the truth of what actual women are telling you because that would mean men who are struggling with this would actually have to make changes if they want things to change for them. What is the point of bothering to tell you the truth when you refuse to acknowledge reality here?

 

[Agema]

Also you talk about 'people' like any man ever would turn down sex with an attractive woman because nope, this college algebra textbook is much more interesting.

I've turned down (a high probability of) sex with an attractive woman because I had something else I wanted to do - although admittedly it wasn't work. I'll freely admit had we met on a different night I might have gone for it, but that was how I felt at the time and just the way it was. I was single for three years in my early 20s not for lack of opportunties, but because I was enjoying my life without any entanglements, and I had a great time.

People have all sorts of different attitudes and motivations.

 

[stroopwafel]

If that is what you gathered, the point went right over your head. I do not usually even talk about my experiences online or anywhere for that matter, you made a claim and I told you the truth. I could have lied and pretended like I have had a different personal experience, but that isn't the truth. ONE POST =\= 5 pages. You ignored the studies, links, and everything everyone has said to you this many pages in and all you choose to focus on was ONE POST on my personal experience as if it is some EGO stroking BS. You act as if only wealthy men get married, If that were the case, my friends Crystal and Melvin would not be struggling to survive to this day, and he was not very attractive as well, there are plenty of poor and struggling couples that this applies to. You wanting to convince yourself that women are all a bunch of superficial gold digging wannabe Instagram stars instead of actually understanding what THOUSANDS of women are telling you right now what they want in a relationship ( IF you looked at the studies you would see that is the actual truth here and not the Fiction Pseudo EVO psych Incel MRA talking point Drivel). You refuse to acknowledge the truth of what actual women are telling you because that would mean men who are struggling with this would actually have to make changes if they want things to change for them. What is the point of bothering to tell you the truth when you refuse to acknowledge reality here?

I'm repeating the same points but the vast majority of men complain getting no responses on dating apps and have very few other opportunities. The many incels online who have become bonkers from isolation. The statistics that 1 in 3 young men aren't having any sex. I mean, how hard can it be to connect those dots?

I've turned down (a high probability of) sex with an attractive woman because I had something else I wanted to do - although admittedly it wasn't work. I'll freely admit had we met on a different night I might have gone for it, but that was how I felt at the time and just the way it was. I was single for three years in my early 20s not for lack of opportunties, but because I was enjoying my life without any entanglements, and I had a great time.

People have all sorts of different attitudes and motivations.

Well good for you then that you're a Don Juan who can reject attractive women because the next night there will be more opportunities. Unfortunately for the vast majority of men this only occurs in their creepy Harem anime.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Unfortunately for the vast majority of men this only occurs in their creepy Harem anime.

Desperation and bitterness can easily be picked up on by a lot more women than you are led to believe. That and dodgy anime fetishes. It may be comforting and easy to place all responsibility for one's loneliness on everyone else, but all it does it make you a red flag to anyone looking for trusting intimacy. If looking down on everyone (especially those genders so eagerly desired) else is the only thing keeping that self-esteem on life-support, then you're setting yourself up for a lifetime of cyclical loneliness and misery.

 

[Buyetyen]

The proof is in the pudding. How many single guys who disagree with me have had sex in the last year? Or the last 5 years for that matter? Or hence, ever? But well, tell yourself it's all your own choice when you cry yourself to sleep or pop some anti-depressant pills.

If you must know, I've been dateless for a couple of years because I was having an extended breakdown due to depression and anxiety, a crippling bout with impostor syndrome and horrible nightmares, complete with suicidal ideation. I'm feeling better now, I just don't feel particularly compelled to seek out a relationship while there's a pandemic going on. Thank you for your concern.

 

[lil devils x]

I'm repeating the same points but the vast majority of men complain getting no responses on dating apps and have very few other opportunities. The many incels online who have become bonkers from isolation. The statistics that 1 in 3 young men aren't having any sex. I mean, how hard can it be to connect those dots?



Well good for you then that you're a Don Juan who can reject attractive women because the next night there will be more opportunities. Unfortunately for the vast majority of men this only occurs in their creepy Harem anime.

The problem with dating apps, is men are putting out the same message to tons of girls. It is no different than the douchebag at the bar that is walking up to every girl with the same cheezy pick up line and expecting something to happen eventually. It is a horrible plan that will get horrible results. From the girls perspective, they are being sent tons of the same messages by hundreds or thousands of men. They are being sent unsolicited dick pics and a sea of lewd comments. I have never used a dating app, but just looking at how it works is like when I was bartending in college and you have all these guys hitting on you. It gets to the point it just feels gross. What may seem cute or funny to the guy just becomes so off putting after the hundredth time you see/hear it. None of this sounds fun for a girl. It is scary and gross. After so many times it happens, it is like they are ALL the same guy . Them keeping themselves in isolation is part of the problem. Just trying to find love online is part of the problem. Getting out and doing things works out so much better. Oh and when I said " volunteering" I wasn't actually talking about the soup kitchen, I was talking about helping out with fundraising events for local charities, bake sales, craft fairs, home town events, community beautification projects planting flowers and repairing elderly people's homes and such, you know, the places girls actually GO and participate in? Events that need a lot of volunteers and people to pull off in the community that girls like to actually do. One of my friends even met her now husband at a habitat for humanity event helping build a house for family. These are the sort of places you can find single women as well. Actually being present where the ladies are is how you can actually interact with the ladies.

 

[Houseman]

hell I have never been without a date for more than week, like ever. I have never been charged a cover when I go clubbing, I have so many drinks sent my way the second I walk in, I have to give them away to others. I do not know what it is really like to have to be "single". I have never had a guy break up with me, every guy I have dated since I was like 15 proposed marriage to me. When I modeled in high school, I was constantly told how " stunning" I was.. blah blah..

Does this not prove stroop's point?

I don't see how people can read this and then still argue with him.

 

[lil devils x]

Does this not prove stroop's point?

I don't see how people can read this and then still argue with him.

Because no, it doesn't prove his point because that is not the experience of most women. If you read the study I linked earlier in the thread, you have 68,000 women telling you the same thing I am.

 

[ObsidianJones]

Because no, it doesn't prove his point because that is not the experience of most women. If you read the study I linked earlier in the thread, you have 68,000 women telling you the same thing I am.

No, no. Flip it back.

Mention those hot guys in the clubs that go home with a different woman every night. Or Brad Pitt. Or a bodybuilder. Or the other myriad of men who have some advantage, who use it to hook up with women who are also just in for sex, or any combination of that will also discredit their narrative.

Because they are out there. So either your experience supposedly invalidates your point, and therefore those men invalidates their own, or we have to accept that each individual will have different life experiences.

6 of 1, really.

 

[Houseman]

Because no, it doesn't prove his point because that is not the experience of most women. If you read the study I linked earlier in the thread, you have 68,000 women telling you the same thing I am.

Your study says that most women report that kindness, supportiveness and intelligence are most important traits for choosing a partner.

Stroop's point is that "men and women have fundamentally different dating experiences. Most men simply don't have the luxury of choice women have(even uglies)"

I don't see how that conflicts at all. Seems like this study has nothing to do with that, actually.

No, no. Flip it back.

Mention those hot guys in the clubs that go home with a different woman every night. Or Brad Pitt. Or a bodybuilder. Or the other myriad of men who have some advantage, who use it to hook up with women who are also just in for sex, or any combination of that will also discredit their narrative.

Isn't that already acknowledged by the 80%/20% statistic?

On a side note, I wonder what that percentage would look like for men.

 

[Agema]

Well good for you then that you're a Don Juan who can reject attractive women because the next night there will be more opportunities. Unfortunately for the vast majority of men this only occurs in their creepy Harem anime.

I was never anything close to a Don Juan - I was not good at actively chatting women up. I just learnt to be, I dunno, normal. Listen to women, respond appropriately, make a few jokes, have fun, don't be a prick. It's possibly not great for hitting on someone when you've got one fevered night at a club to impress, but get to know women a bit and come off well, at least some of them will think you're worth taking further. I suspect what potentially benefits is a bit of a take it or leave it attitude, because it makes a person seem relaxed, easygoing and confident. I think people know when someone's desperate or overdoing it like a dog with two dicks, and it often comes off badly.

 

[ObsidianJones]

Isn't that already acknowledged by the 80%/20% statistic?

On a side note, I wonder what that percentage would look like for me.

If I read that correctly, I thought the 'statistic' is that 80 percent of women will find 20 percent of men attractive.

But that doesn't necessarily mean that that 20 percent of men will overlap.

Height requirements, build requirements, face requirements... One woman can only get weak in the knees for Zac Effron, but a woman who's into muscles will only have eyes for the Rock.

And more to the point, that is not a real statistic. Okcupid is not a scientific body, and I'm sure not every woman took that test.

I was pretty cut and jacked back in the day. And then I got interest. But really, it was just a lot of girls who just wanted to have sex because of the muscles and the black man 'mythos', to put it politely.

But the time I actually started to have real potential for relationships is when I started working on my personality. When I read for fun and had things to say. When I let my humor out instead of trying to be like a sexy brooding guy like you see on tv. When I talked about the Golden Girls, how I loved kids, and why I'll be a Jedi/Browncoat until the day die.

As Known As: "Being Myself".

I'm not going to get every woman out there. I'm not looking to. I'm looking for the right one. So why do I care if women are superficially attracted to me? Why should anyone? It's a lure for the right one, not everyone.

 

[stroopwafel]

The problem with dating apps, is men are putting out the same message to tons of girls. It is no different than the douchebag at the bar that is walking up to every girl with the same cheezy pick up line and expecting something to happen eventually. It is a horrible plan that will get horrible results. From the girls perspective, they are being sent tons of the same messages by hundreds or thousands of men. They are being sent unsolicited dick pics and a sea of lewd comments. I have never used a dating app, but just looking at how it works is like when I was bartending in college and you have all these guys hitting on you. It gets to the point it just feels gross. What may seem cute or funny to the guy just becomes so off putting after the hundredth time you see/hear it. None of this sounds fun for a girl. It is scary and gross. After so many times it happens, it is like they are ALL the same guy . Them keeping themselves in isolation is part of the problem. Just trying to find love online is part of the problem. Getting out and doing things works out so much better. Oh and when I said " volunteering" I wasn't actually talking about the soup kitchen, I was talking about helping out with fundraising events for local charities, bake sales, craft fairs, home town events, community beautification projects planting flowers and repairing elderly people's homes and such, you know, the places girls actually GO and participate in? Events that need a lot of volunteers and people to pull off in the community that girls like to actually do. One of my friends even met her now husband at a habitat for humanity event helping build a house for family. These are the sort of places you can find single women as well. Actually being present where the ladies are is how you can actually interact with the ladies.

Again this proves my point. Hundreds of reactions and men send the same copy/pasted message to every women on the app because they get zero reactions.

Cool that you atleast agree there might not be many dating opportunities for men at the soup kitchen. That they do have opportunities potting plants for the elderly well, if you say so. Other posters consider you the expert so who am I to judge.