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Revnak

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Revnak, is it correct for me to presume that you view capitalism as an evil system that allows the exploitation of the poor and working class by the rich?
Evil would not be my first descriptor or criticism, but yes.
 

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Awful lot of capitalism going on in Sweden for somewhere people call socialist.
Probably because the two things can exist in the same society.

If you keep conflating socialism with whatever specific extreme form you have in your mind, it'll keep getting pointed out that you're not using the actual definition.
 

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Evil would not be my first descriptor or criticism, but yes.
Let's use the word "bad" then.

So if you believe this about capitalism and view socialism as a good and different thing from capitalism, a desirable replacement for capitalism, then how can Sweden be a socialist country while it still practices capitalism?
 

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Let's use the word "bad" then.

So if you believe this about capitalism and view socialism as a good and different thing from capitalism, a desirable replacement for capitalism, then how can Sweden be a socialist country while it still practices capitalism?
In what way does Sweden practice capitalism and not socialism? I’d like you to explain this.
 

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First I would like to know what your particular definition of socialism is, as it seems that it is different from Silvanus's so knowing that will make this easier.
Please don't do this to yourself. I'll paraphrase Twain - "Never argue with a Marxist. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
 

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First I would like to know what your particular definition of socialism is, as it seems that it is different from Silvanus's so knowing that will make this easier.
Nope. You said it wasn’t socialism and that it was capitalism before I said anything. So explain how and why.
 

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First I would like to know what your particular definition of socialism is, as it seems that it is different from Silvanus's so knowing that will make this easier.
I feel like you explaining yours first would be helpful considering it was asked several posts back. Little odd to ask someone else to do so while continuing to avoid it.
 

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I feel like you explaining yours first would be helpful considering it was asked several posts back. Little odd to ask someone else to do so while continuing to avoid it.
And in other threads, best answer I can recall ever getting is "it's all about controlling society and murdering people you don't like."
 

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Probably because the two things can exist in the same society.

If you keep conflating socialism with whatever specific extreme form you have in your mind, it'll keep getting pointed out that you're not using the actual definition.
Ok, but it's pretty on point to conflate some users here with that specific extreme version, considering the relentless calls for violence and rationalization of destruction towards the end goal of communism.
 

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Ok, but it's pretty on point to conflate some users here with that specific extreme version, considering the relentless calls for violence and rationalization of destruction towards the end goal of communism.






My good friend Tommy Jay said:
And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
 

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There is a marked difference between those who hesitantly resign to the need to use violence and those who gleefully push for it from half a world away.
There have been about 250 conflicts since WW2. America has been involved in 200. Many of them as the invasion force. But sure, America is using violence 'hesitantly', I suppose

(I'm not saying that a bunch of Communist are gleefully asking for massacres. I am saying that the US is already involved in massacres on behalf of Capitalism. And Christians.)
 

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There have been about 250 conflicts since WW2. America has been involved in 200. Many of them as the invasion force. But sure, America is using violence 'hesitantly', I suppose

(I'm not saying that a bunch of Communist are gleefully asking for massacres. I am saying that the US is already involved in massacres on behalf of Capitalism. And Christians.)
Personally, this communist is gleefully asking for the death of a fascist dictator. Fuck, I’ll gleefully ask for the death of all fascist dictators. And monarchs. Doubt that’s even enough bodies to call a massacre though.
 

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Personally, this communist is gleefully asking for the death of a fascist dictator. Fuck, I’ll gleefully ask for the death of all fascist dictators. And monarchs. Doubt that’s even enough bodies to call a massacre though.
I'm also noting that you AREN'T IN COUNTRY right now, killing and manipulating to get your way. The US, and Capitalism, is
 

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I'm also noting that you AREN'T IN COUNTRY right now, killing and manipulating to get your way. The US, and Capitalism, is
Really shows the world of difference between guy mad at colonialism and the armed wing of capitalism. But hey, neo-Wilsonians gotta neo-colonialism.