Bolivia's Jenine Áñez finally allows election effectively at gunpoint, loses and is going to jail

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Really shows the world of difference between guy mad at colonialism and the armed wing of capitalism. But hey, neo-Wilsonians gotta neo-colonialism.
I also don't understand why they just cant find a Capitalist. They always find a Fascist that kills thousands of people.

If you want Capitalism to be popular, I cant think of a way to destroy the idea of Capitalism, just stop it. You're destroying your own ideology
 

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Personally, this communist is gleefully asking for the death of a fascist dictator. Fuck, I’ll gleefully ask for the death of all fascist dictators. And monarchs. Doubt that’s even enough bodies to call a massacre though.
Personally I'd gladly offer free helicopter rides.
There have been about 250 conflicts since WW2. America has been involved in 200. Many of them as the invasion force. But sure, America is using violence 'hesitantly', I suppose

(I'm not saying that a bunch of Communist are gleefully asking for massacres. I am saying that the US is already involved in massacres on behalf of Capitalism. And Christians.)
sauce?
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Rise up to tyrants. Stop Communism.
 

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There is a marked difference between those who hesitantly resign to the need to use violence and those who gleefully push for it from half a world away.
If I ever happen to find myself in front of a firing squad, i'll hope my executioners will feel bad about what they're about to do, maybe even cry a little. This will change everything.
 

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Nope. You said it wasn’t socialism and that it was capitalism before I said anything. So explain how and why.
Ok. Private property. That's really it. Sweden has private property.

I feel like you explaining yours first would be helpful considering it was asked several posts back. Little odd to ask someone else to do so while continuing to avoid it.
Says the guy that never participates in any of the discussions.

And in other threads, best answer I can recall ever getting is "it's all about controlling society and murdering people you don't like."
No. Socialism is the philosophy of community control over property, and production of goods. The problem with socialism isn't the base idea, it's the means one must use to achieve it and what those means transform it into.
 

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Ok. Private property. That's really it. Sweden has private property.
So did many forms of feudalism, which is not capitalism. Herder and hunter gatherer societies did not have private property, which were not Socialism. Try again.
 

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So does feudalism, which is not capitalism. Herder and hunter gatherer societies did not have private property, which were not Socialism. Try again.
No. Now you give me your definition and then we move forward with this conversation.

You realize "communist" countries have/had private property too?
Yes, it's part of the whole problem with the ideology that it can't even take a single step without falling flat on its face.
 

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Ok, so I can assume you have no actual definition then. Guess we're done here.
Only if you’re done talking about Socialism.

Edit: I will give you a hint. It is not so much that anyone owns anything, but rather who owns specific a specific kind of thing.
 
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Personally I'd gladly offer free helicopter rides.
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Rise up to tyrants. Stop Communism.
In other words, you very pro-massarce if it's people you diagree with.

Great way to destroy Capitalism, bro
 

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I also don't understand why they just cant find a Capitalist. They always find a Fascist that kills thousands of people.

If you want Capitalism to be popular, I cant think of a way to destroy the idea of Capitalism, just stop it. You're destroying your own ideology
Killing thousands of people is how capitalism defends itself. Because if those people aren't dead and the rest aren't terrorized, a regular old dipshit "democratic" capitalist won't save capitalism.
 

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Killing thousands of people is how capitalism defends itself. Because if those people aren't dead and the rest aren't terrorized, a regular old dipshit "democratic" capitalist won't save capitalism.
I would say there is a big difference between Capitalist leader compared to Fascist ones.

Yes, Capitalism isnt not very democratic. Capitalism is way more democratic than Fascism
 

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Can't let those evil social democrats take power in Bolivia, they might suspend the democratic elections...
 

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I would say there is a big difference between Capitalist leader compared to Fascist ones.

Yes, Capitalism isnt not very democratic. Capitalism is way more democratic than Fascism
Liberalism is somewhat more democratic than fascism-- in the domain of "politics", which is carefully managed to offer a good variety of choices that do not threaten capitalism and viciously undermine any that do-- both are typically capitalist. And 'liberal' societies typically have a lot of fascist elements. The United States, for example, has a foreign policy which, while it isn't as overtly after the conquering and administration of new territory, both allies with fascists (like Guaido and Anez and Netanyahu) and is at its core a project of both white supremacy and the enrichment of industrialists. The history of the United States as it comes to black people and the indigenous population inspired the Nazis. And our police terrorize minority populations; for a very substantial number of people the United States is in fact a police state-- which means that's what it actually is in general. And yet it is 'liberal'.