Weeb revolt over trap censorship

[Specter Von Baren]

(This is supposed to be at the end of my above post but for some freaking reason I can't put it into a comment that long or something)

 

[Houseman]

(This is supposed to be at the end of my above post but for some freaking reason I can't put it into a comment that long or something)

Well now it's at the top of a new page and just looks completely and horribly out of context.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Well now it's at the top of a new page and just looks completely and horribly out of context.

What's so horrible about Konata?

 

[Neuromancer]

What's so horrible about Konata?

She exists.

 

[Houseman]

What's so horrible about Konata?

Pedophiles like her! She's used as a poster-child (heh) for abusing actual children! Images depicting her, in any context, must be banned and her show must be outlawed, and Lucky Star must be made into a dirty word and LANGUAGE MUST BE CONTROLLED AND WEAPONIZED!

See? Don't let them win, people.

 

[Trunkage]

I think the issue is that people are assuming that everyone knows everything about everyone. Let us just take the animemes on its own, I bet you almost none of the people that visit that subreddit even had any idea that anyone was using the term maliciously but then suddenly its bad to use a term and from the view of the people being told that it looks completely arbitrary.

I'll use a situation from a book I'm reading. In the French revolution there was a point where it was asked of various clergy leaders to swear to the Clerical Oath and while it was expected that the upper echelon would reject it, the government (As it were at the time) was shocked at how there was an almost 50% split in the rest of the clergy on taking or not taking the oath. The people in the capital had no context for how things were perceived outside of what was going on there, and what they saw as purely a political matter was not seen that way by people outside for reasons of distance and different ways of life and views and everything else that makes one man different from another.

Everyone has a limited view of the world and there is only so much that any one person can keep track of. The internet has made it possible for small communities to be "invaded" by people from outside that have different contexts from them and no understanding of why things are the way they are for them. It's like colonialism. People that don't live there coming in and enforcing their way of life on people that do things differently, or like someone going abroad for a few years and then coming back with different ways of seeing things but everyone back in their home still does things the same way.

It's the problem with scale. It's like... there's a level of intimacy between people on these forums that is nowhere to be found on a subreddit because there's far more room to express ourselves here, we have more ways to express ourselves through avatars and locations and funny titles under our names, and we know more about each other through years of interacting with one another and understanding the unique aspects of one another. The site is currently under what looks to be good leadership but what if that other person and their wife had taken over and changed things how they wanted? That would have been an example of someone coming in and reshaping a community to how they thought it should be without having any connection to that community and how it worked.

I know this topic is ultimately about something pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of the world but the reason people are defensive isn't because of a single case of something like this but from perceiving things like this as ongoing and never ending. People see it as a question of, "Ok, how many words do we have to give up before you people who don't even care about or interact with us will leave us alone?" and the answer seems to be, "As many as we want and as many times as we want. Whenever we want"

If the people of the group themselves decided to mutually agree on what terms and phrases should be used is one thing, but having it decreed by a small group of people who are far removed from them is another thing...And now I've ended up in the American Revolution... This is not where I was expecting this topic to go...

Guess what. I agree with most of this. Policing things is tricky and the wrong people can get caught up.

You still aren’t dealing with the issue. The group where the term originated is not at fault. The people trying to police poor behaviour are not at fault. If you don’t want to ‘give up words’, police those who changed that word to attack people. It not the ‘policeman’ who changed its meaning, they’re just dealing with the fallout.

And, just so we are clear, I’m not very pro-police. I wish there was some way on the internet where everything wasn’t so heavy handed, like banhammers. I don’t think it cures anything, and this includes Saelune and Yoshi. Doing nothing doesn’t help either. It just punished a fourth group who wasn’t even involved.

 

[Trunkage]

Pedophiles like her! She's used as a poster-child (heh) for abusing actual children! Images depicting her, in any context, must be banned and her show must be outlawed, and Lucky Star must be made into a dirty word and LANGUAGE MUST BE CONTROLLED AND WEAPONIZED!

See? Don't let them win, people.

Hey. Were you against Reddit banning the jailbait subreddit?

 

[Gordon_4]

Pedophiles like her! She's used as a poster-child (heh) for abusing actual children! Images depicting her, in any context, must be banned and her show must be outlawed, and Lucky Star must be made into a dirty word and LANGUAGE MUST BE CONTROLLED AND WEAPONIZED!

See? Don't let them win, people.

So, do you ever change shoulders or have you just compensated?

 

[Houseman]

Hey. Were you against Reddit banning the jailbait subreddit?

I wasn't even aware of reddit when that happened, but if that subreddit was about real-life underage (by American standard) girls in suggestive poses, I wouldn't have been.

 

[Dreiko]

Pedophiles like her! She's used as a poster-child (heh) for abusing actual children! Images depicting her, in any context, must be banned and her show must be outlawed, and Lucky Star must be made into a dirty word and LANGUAGE MUST BE CONTROLLED AND WEAPONIZED!

See? Don't let them win, people.

It's been a long while since I watched lucky star but isn't Konata like, 16 or something?


Are people confusing the chibi artstyle for realism or something? And aren't huge tits on young looking chars supposed to be bad? If so what's wrong with Konata? Is she TOO flat?


Anyways, Konata is just there for random anime and game references, she has not one ounce of sex appeal on her entire body. People are weird lmao. The only thing that could potentially make her hot is her voice cause she's Aya Hirano (Haruhi, Lucy from fairy tail etc.)

Guess what. I agree with most of this. Policing things is tricky and the wrong people can get caught up.

You still aren’t dealing with the issue. The group where the term originated is not at fault. The people trying to police poor behaviour are not at fault. If you don’t want to ‘give up words’, police those who changed that word to attack people. It not the ‘policeman’ who changed its meaning, they’re just dealing with the fallout.

And, just so we are clear, I’m not very pro-police. I wish there was some way on the internet where everything wasn’t so heavy handed, like banhammers. I don’t think it cures anything, and this includes Saelune and Yoshi. Doing nothing doesn’t help either. It just punished a fourth group who wasn’t even involved.

My stance here is simple.

"The word never changed, those people who you claim changed the word are just using it wrong. Stop giving them the power to change words, just keep thinking of the original definition and pile everything that doesn't fall within that into the 'misused term' category and move on with your life."


I just refuse to allow words to change because someone decided they did. You don't get to decide that. It is more likely that just a whole bunch of people use a term wrong. Like when they say "I could care less" when they are actually try to say "I couldn't care less". The term "could" still doesn't mean the same as "couldn't", we get what they were trying to say, but we also get that they used the wrong term in doing so, same thing here.

 

[Houseman]

Are people confusing the chibi artstyle for realism or something?

Yes, especially the people who don't watch anime, but love infiltrating and destroying hobbies to as a coping mechanism.

Anyways, Konata is just there for random anime and game references, she has not one ounce of sex appeal on her entire body.

The people who want to destroy your community and your hobby don't care, they just want to label you and everyone else as a pedophile because they get a rise out of it that distracts them from all the mistakes they've made in life.

 

[Trunkage]

My stance here is simple.

"The word never changed, those people who you claim changed the word are just using it wrong. Stop giving them the power to change words, just keep thinking of the original definition and pile everything that doesn't fall within that into the 'misused term' category and move on with your life."


I just refuse to allow words to change because someone decided they did. You don't get to decide that. It is more likely that just a whole bunch of people use a term wrong. Like when they say "I could care less" when they are actually try to say "I couldn't care less". The term "could" still doesn't mean the same as "couldn't", we get what they were trying to say, but we also get that they used the wrong term in doing so, same thing here.

That sure is your opinion.

Try to take it back if you want. All I am suggesting is that, with your stance, you are going to attack the wrong people and that’s not going to help you

I wasn't even aware of reddit when that happened, but if that subreddit was about real-life underage (by American standard) girls in suggestive poses, I wouldn't have been.

It was dubious because there was no clear indication of age. They banned it just in case

 

[Houseman]

It was dubious because there was no clear indication of age. They banned it just in case

Oh, okay then. I still would have approved, because we're talking about real-life people here, as opposed to, say, drawings.

 

[Dreiko]

That sure is your opinion.

Try to take it back if you want. All I am suggesting is that, with your stance, you are going to attack the wrong people and that’s not going to help you

Not attacking anyone, just defending people from wrong accusations.

 

[Houseman]

, you are going to attack the wrong people and that’s not going to help you

Given the swastika example, you must push back against EVERYONE who is against you. Both actual Nazis and people who say that the swastika is only ever a symbol of hate.

If you "defeat" the Nazis and cause them to drop the symbol, the useful idiots who are going around spreading the lie that the swastika is a symbol of hate aren't going to just suddenly change their tune. You have stop them as well.

Don't we see proof of this today? Who's spreading the word that "swastikas are evil"? The Nazis? No, everyone else. The Nazis can just kick back and let their symbol spread. They don't have to lift a finger.

People who propagate the lie that "X is bad" are just as culpable as the people who originally misuse X in the first place. They all need to be stopped.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Pedophiles like her! She's used as a poster-child (heh) for abusing actual children! Images depicting her, in any context, must be banned and her show must be outlawed, and Lucky Star must be made into a dirty word and LANGUAGE MUST BE CONTROLLED AND WEAPONIZED!

See? Don't let them win, people.

You still aren’t dealing with the issue. The group where the term originated is not at fault. The people trying to police poor behaviour are not at fault. If you don’t want to ‘give up words’, police those who changed that word to attack people. It not the ‘policeman’ who changed its meaning, they’re just dealing with the fallout.

And, just so we are clear, I’m not very pro-police. I wish there was some way on the internet where everything wasn’t so heavy handed, like banhammers. I don’t think it cures anything, and this includes Saelune and Yoshi. Doing nothing doesn’t help either. It just punished a fourth group who wasn’t even involved.

*sigh* Life is hard. I'm reminded of the phrase, "Life sucks, then you die".

 

[Specter Von Baren]

So, do you ever change shoulders or have you just compensated?

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Anyways, Konata is just there for random anime and game references, she has not one ounce of sex appeal on her entire body. People are weird lmao. The only thing that could potentially make her hot is her voice cause she's Aya Hirano (Haruhi, Lucy from fairy tail etc.)

I would say she at least has fantastic hair. (Surprising given her sloven way of living)

"The word never changed, those people who you claim changed the word are just using it wrong. Stop giving them the power to change words, just keep thinking of the original definition and pile everything that doesn't fall within that into the 'misused term' category and move on with your life."

 

[Trunkage]

A very good example. A bunch of trolls modifying a meaning to own the libs.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

So, unrelated, it seems that we're only allowed 1 image per post and that the image also redacts from the amount of characters you can put in a post.