Weeb revolt over trap censorship

[Houseman]

..so if they're not male, then calling them a trap would be calling their gender into question, wouldn't it?

It wouldn't be "calling one's gender into question" as much as it is "being mistaken about one's gender".
For example, if you referred to a Dominican as an African-American, you'd be mistaken.

What if a normal girl who looks like a girl and acts like a girl was assigned male at birth, or has a penis.

Then it's a trap.

I'll disagree with Dreiko here and say that this isn't a case of a "trap". If the person considers themselves to be a girl, then they are disqualified as a trap.
Traps need to think of THEMSELVES as male. Unless this person fits that criteria, they do not count as a trap. Trap =/= trans.

If we're however using the definition that "penis = male", and disregarding the person's "gender identity", then yes, it would be a trap, but I think that those are highly restrictive premises.

 

[SupahEwok]

*quietly comes out of hiding*

Not this again... As a person who "tries" to identity as a "trap" I don't find it personally offensive because its what I want to be as well as having a word I can easily describe myself with. But this feels like discourse over the anime community as a whole which is pretty common as you'd probably heard with the Uzaki-chan backlash which I'll leave at that. Maybe I'm too oblivious because I want to be that thing but I do think its taking things too far. I have trans friends and they honestly don't really care and I don't call them traps either because its not what they are. Its really a fine line but its probably more political correctness going on.

Idk maybe I'm dumb. I do at least know where the origins of the term comes from. I just don't know what to really say because sometimes I feel like I'm part of the problem. I do want trans people to be treated with respect but I guess people will abuse things to the point where no fun is allowed. *shrug*

I'm not sure why you don't just use the term "transvestite." Some people consider it offensive (I don't know why), but it's certainly less loaded with derogatory associations than "trap" is.

 

[Houseman]

I'm not sure why you don't just use the term "transvestite." Some people consider it offensive (I don't know why), but it's certainly less loaded with derogatory associations than "trap" is.

Because "trans" and "trap" are not synonyms.
"Trans" = I'm biologically male but identify as a woman!
"Trap" = I'm biologically male and identify as a man, but like to dress and act like a woman!

 

[SupahEwok]

Because "trans" and "trap" are not synonyms.
"Trans" = I'm biologically male but identify as a woman!
"Trap" = I'm biologically male and identify as a man, but like to dress and act like a woman!

You don't seem to know what the word "transvestite" means.

 

[Houseman]

You don't seem to know what the word "transvestite" means.

You're right, I confused "transvestite" with "transsexual".

 

[fOx]

Doesn't matter much. Fictional characters' ages are fictional. Anime exists in its own fantasy realm, and the regular visitors can keep fantasy and reality apart just fine

(usually).

 

[Revnak]

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Wait, is this another medicinal pedophilia thread? Fox, did you do it again?

 

[Jarrito3002]

Ok my brain hurts.

When I first saw this thread I saw some subreddit like that matters wants to get rid of the word trap for femboy which that means jackshit cause it would be the same thing so whatever. I come back and this topic is somehow 9 pages.

And in true fashion as per usual it devolves into a "culture war" between Twitter, Reddit and 4Chan. If this are the trinity of our "culture" then we need a hard reset but that is another conversation.

Trap does have a derogatory bent to it whether you care or not is up to you not much but to dismiss it because doesn't work.

In fact where is the button. I am pressing it we are Thanosing the weebs and that would even remove myself it is the only way.

 

[Jarrito3002]

Also I saw the Uzaki -Chan girl appear in conversation and here my take.

Any picture of fictional character beating up another fictional character for the sake of the fandom will forever assclownery along with the defense for.

As for Uzaki I appreciate a character with a figure be in college instead of you know 13. Like who decided here is the grown ass woman figure but she is 13 doesn't make it hotter I will find them and put them under a wheel.

Plus for Uzaki-Chan I see her as like a modern Betty Boop in anime style. You have this obvious attractive figure with this young almost baby face head on top. Its not revolutionary its not worst its kind of basic but nothing to get into a fight over.

 

[Dreiko]

Wow scrolling this thread I caught a glimpse of Rin. I dunno if I wanna figure out what caused that lol.

So is it supposed to be a funny joke of no consequence beyond mild embarrassment or something that disturbs the guy? If it depends on the person then we're entering a hazy area where you can never now how someone reacts (positively, negatively, calm, aggressive and so on). In fiction of course the creator decides this so it's not that important, but when thinking about parallels with the real world this is something that you have to keep in mind.

Yeah you seem to get it, in fiction the characters are written for there always to be such an absurdity because there's no humor otherwise. And how that translates to parallels in the real world is wholly irrelevant so I don't care or spend one moment thinking about that.

If someone seriously uses these joke terms to apply to real people, they too are using them wrongly and improperly. These things only apply to anime characters, as there's legit nobody who isn't born with some crazy rare medical condition who looks as convincingly female without undertaking any procedures or operations as traps in anime do.

So, trans women are just men looking to trap heterosexual men. Hence why a lot of trans folks don't like the term trap.


Yes, it's downright hilarious when a dude in anime hilariously over-reacts with absolute disgust at the mere thought that they might've been momentarily attracted to somebody with a penis. That's definitely a well targeted joke with no collateral damage.

Nah, traps never look to trap anyone. They just do without the intent. If you can't accept that fact that's not this joke's fault or anime fan's fault.

And if you're worried that the joke paints attraction to people of the same sex as causing revulsion, that can also mean that it acknowledges the revulsion gay people feel when told to date people of the opposite sex too.


I really don't understand why you'd not want people who are not into you to act in the normal way someone who is not into you acts. This is like some incel shit where you feel entitled to being seen as attractive, only it's not by women but rather by straight men, so we let it go for some reason. It's idiotic.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Then it's a trap.

There you go, that wasn't so hard was it.

See, women's gender identities can be called into question by calling them traps. You just did it. Congratulations.

No it's not that they remind them or look like women, heterosexual men are only attracted to people who actually are women.

Okay, so why does this magic heterosexual sixth sense not prevent you from being attracted to "traps", if they're not actually women.

I think you fail to understand how people think if you think it has to do with the relation of heterosexuals or homosexuals, only you think of that stuff, most people don't even bother contemplating how it relates to the power of other groups.

Are traps gay tho?

It wouldn't be "calling one's gender into question" as much as it is "being mistaken about one's gender".

Generally, being mistaken about something ends with the acknowledgement that you were wrong. If a mistaken person refuses to admit they were wrong, then it's disingenuous to brush that off as a "mistake", isn't it?

Traps need to think of THEMSELVES as male.

No they don't.

As amusing as it is to watch you try to play identity politics, the term "trap" literally refers to the way that a presumed heterosexual male audience perceives a character or person. How that person perceives themselves (and bear in mind, they may not actually be real) is not relevant to the definition at all. That's why it's entirely consistent to describe trans people as traps. Consistent, but fairly hateful.

Of course, there's nothing to stop people from self-identifying as traps, that's an entirely valid expression of identity. It won't change the fact that identifying as a trap is still eating the scraps from the heterosexual table, and heterosexuals are messy eaters who don't leave a lot for anyone else. You don't build self-respect as a GNC person by caring what heterosexuals think of you, especially heterosexual men.

 

[Gordon_4]

Also I saw the Uzaki -Chan girl appear in conversation and here my take.

Any picture of fictional character beating up another fictional character for the sake of the fandom will forever assclownery along with the defense for.

Do you remember when people used to send in art to gaming magazines of Sonic and Mario going all Mortal Kombat on each other? Fuckin’ Pepperidge Farm remembers.

 

[Houseman]

Generally, being mistaken about something ends with the acknowledgement that you were wrong.

Exactly! "That you were wrong" is the punchline of the joke! "Oh, this person I was attracted to is actually from a gender that I am not attracted to! I have made an error! Woe is me!"

If a mistaken person refuses to admit they were wrong, then it's disingenuous to brush that off as a "mistake", isn't it?

I don't know what you're talking about. Who falls for a "trap", but then refuses to admit that they were wrong? I don't think the scenario you are imagining ever happens in real life.

No they don't.

As amusing as it is to watch you try to play identity politics, the term "trap" literally refers to the way that a presumed heterosexual male audience perceives a character or person. How that person perceives themselves (and bear in mind, they may not actually be real) is not relevant to the definition at all. That's why it's entirely consistent to describe trans people as traps. Consistent, but fairly hateful.

On what evidence are you basing your claim? Because I've never seen a trap thread on the chans showing off anybody who accurately passes, because they end up naked. That's how you know "it's a trap". Because they have a dick.

If they don't, then it's not a "trap thread", it's just a "regular naked woman thread #3.583x10^234"

 

[Revnak]

Do you remember when people used to send in art to gaming magazines of Sonic and Mario going all Mortal Kombat on each other? Fuckin’ Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I miss Newgrounds man. Those were the fucking days.

 

[Jarrito3002]

Do you remember when people used to send in art to gaming magazines of Sonic and Mario going all Mortal Kombat on each other? Fuckin’ Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Those were the days.

 

[xmbts]

This is a strange conversation to observe from my angle. I have no strong love or hate for the term trap, but if people want it gone for a better (and frankly more fun to say) term, then lets the babies tantrum themselves out like they always do.

 

[Gordon_4]

I miss Newgrounds man. Those were the fucking days.

Mate this was pre-Internet. The Sega and Nintendo magazines used to have fan art sections. The amount of dead Mario in Sega’s pages and dead Sonic in Nintendo’s pages was crazy.

 

[Dreiko]

There you go, that wasn't so hard was it.

See, women's gender identities can be called into question by calling them traps. You just did it. Congratulations.

Nope, a woman by definition would be what we call a reverse-trap. Someone who is female but acts and looks overly male, think of Naoto from persona 4.

Okay, so why does this magic heterosexual sixth sense not prevent you from being attracted to "traps", if they're not actually women.

It's the same thing that makes you attracted to actual real women. By that same property, you feel repulsed if they are a dude. And no you won't magically know ahead of time that they're a trap and not a woman, which is the joke, but I'm talking about if you do know that that person is a trap how that feels.

Are traps gay tho?

Not by definition, but there can be gay-traps too. The sexuality of the trap is never really relevant, only what sort of body parts they possess and what the guy sees them as despite those parts.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

We really have to spell it out for the cishets, don't we..

What if a normal girl who looks like a girl and acts like a girl was assigned male at birth, or has a penis.

Then it's a trap.

There you go, that wasn't so hard was it.
See, women's gender identities can be called into question by calling them traps. You just did it. Congratulations.

Nope, a woman by definition would be what we call a reverse-trap. Someone who is female but acts and looks overly male, think of Naoto from persona 4.

*Sigh*
Lily Hoshikawa is not a "trap". They do not identify as male. But you have said that she is and lumped her in with characters who exist so that anime characters can react with disgust at their existence.
This is why trans weebs don't like the term. Because "it's funny to see anime characters react with abject disgust when they run into people like me" hits different.

 

[Terminal Blue]

I don't know what you're talking about. Who falls for a "trap", but then refuses to admit that they were wrong?

Conversely however, under the definition you have proposed if you were to refer to a trans person as a trap because, for example, they have a penis (as Dreiko literally just did), then you are wrong, and if you refuse to acknowledge your mistake, then it's not a mistake.

On what evidence are you basing your claim? Because I've never seen a trap thread on the chans showing off anybody who accurately passes, because they end up naked. That's how you know "it's a trap". Because they have a dick.

So now it's not about actually being a man or a woman, but about who passes or who has a penis?

So you're happy to refer to transwomen as traps if they have a penis?

So you're actually perfectly okay with misgendering people, or questioning their gender identity, because this isn't actually about people "identifying" as traps, it's entirely about how YOU, important heterosexual that you are, feel about their genitals?

In other words, you're admitting that this whole "issue" is entirely about your warped, neurotic fixation with other people's genitals.

I think we've made good progress here. Don't you?

And no you won't magically know ahead of time that they're a trap and not a woman, which is the joke, but I'm talking about if you do know that that person is a trap how that feels.

What you're describing is called repression.

It's actually the reason why gay panic is a thing, and why this joke exists.

Not by definition, but there can be gay-traps too.

You've been on the internet, and you're trying to explain traps to me, but you've not heard the phrase "are traps gay?"

The joke/question here is not "are people who self-identify as traps gay", the question is "is it gay to be attracted to 'traps'". The point is to illustrate that the discussion of traps is entirely bound up with "relations between heterosexuals and homosexuals (sic)" because that's the joke isn't it. The joke is based on the implication that if you are attracted to someone with a penis, even if what you're attracted to is their femininity, then that somehow compromises your heterosexuality and that this is humiliating. That is the actual trap, isn't it. The trap is that you might be gay, and thus that you might be percieved and treated as a gay person.

Fuck that neurotic shit.