Democrats already proposing austerity before DNC even ends

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Then, in that case, I am not only not going to vote for Biden in 2020, I will also not vote for Harris in 2024 if she is the Democratic nominee since as you said she is young, and thus could still be a lobbyist.
Keep stickin' it to The Man by sitting on your ass and doing nothing!
 

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Then, in that case, I am not only not going to vote for Biden in 2020, I will also not vote for Harris in 2024 if she is the Democratic nominee since as you said she is young, and thus could still be a lobbyist.
You can't vote for someone who isn't the candidate regardless. I don't think Harris would have the votes to win the primary either way. She wasn't even close this time, I am not seeing it happen in 4 years unless she does something spectacular this round.
 

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I literally donated to Bernie Sanders in 2020.
So did I, that is why I am trying to help him now. He isn't giving up on helping us, and I am not giving up on him. Helping open the path forward for him to be able to do what he can is the best way I can help him get something done.
 
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I am special??? When did I say that???
It's your behavior that gives you away. You're doing this for pride, not principle. You donated to Bernie. So did I, kiddo. The difference is that when he dropped out of the primary, I didn't decide to punish everyone else for it and you did.
 

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It's your behavior that gives you away. You're doing this for pride, not principle. You donated to Bernie. So did I, kiddo. The difference is that when he dropped out of the primary, I didn't decide to punish everyone else for it and you did.
I am in principle against neoliberalism.
 
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I am in principle against neoliberalism.
Rewarding the far right =\= fighting against neoliberalism. In the end, you are only hurting progressives and the poor, that is who is actually punished by not voting. The Neo liberals are fine either way. Neoliberals are rewarded through voter suppression, not punished. Low turnout helps them almost as much as it does the far right.
 
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Rewarding the far right =\= fighting against neoliberalism. In the end, you are only hurting progressives. The Neo liberals are fine either way.
No, they are not, they lose jobs they could get in a Biden Admin.
 

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I am in principle against neoliberalism.
To the point of allowing fascism to take over to teach the rest of us a lesson in not having opinions without your permission. Dude, you've been very clear: you will proudly throw me under the bus for your own validation. You have articulated your willingness, even eagerness, to take less fortunate people and make them a blood sacrifice in a vain attempt to stick it to The Man that will ultimately go unnoticed by the very establishment you're trying to fight. So don't talk to me about principles when human life has so little value to you.

No, they are not, they lose jobs they could get in a Biden Admin.
Yes, you have no counterpoint, we've established that.
 
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No, they are not, they lose jobs they could get in a Biden Admin.
LMAO.. Neo liberals are already wealthy. They are downsizing and shifting to automation putting the poor out of work entirely. The Neoliberals are not the ones being punished here. You act like the neoliberals are who need jobs.. look at who is actually unemployed right now. Neo liberals= Mark Zuckerberg... you think not voting hurts him? Does he need a job? That going to hurt the Neoliberals at apple? Neoliberals are always fine regardless of who wins. The lower and middle class are crushed though.
 

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To the point of allowing fascism to take over to teach the rest of us a lesson in not having opinions without your permission. Dude, you've been very clear: you will proudly throw me under the bus for your own validation. You have articulated your willingness, even eagerness, to take less fortunate people and make them a blood sacrifice in a vain attempt to stick it to The Man that will ultimately unnoticed. So don't talk to me about principles when human life has so little value to you.



Yes, you have no counterpoint, we've established that.
 

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LMAO.. Neo liberals are already wealthy. They are downsizing and shifting to automation putting the poor out of work entirely. The Neoliberals are not the ones being punished here. You act like the neoliberals are who need jobs.. look at who is actually unemployed right now.
Yeah, and I would rather they not get power as well.
 

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Gergar12 is justgoing to use y'all reposnes to get on their high horse. Votershaming is shit argumentation anyways. The way the polls are shaking out protests voter may literally mean nothing or just enough to give their third parties funding. And yes i'm taking account of how the polls fucked up in 2016.

I'm voting for biden for the record and while it's not wrong to vote for him to give progressives space there's ample reasoning to not trust that jackass.
He's from a past administration that fucked up an economic recovery and compromised too much with republicans and centrists. He's the one said adminstartion went and too "you're going too far" on that latter. Pessimism is warranted in this case even if doesn't make you messiah worshippers for being on the same level of it as me or them .
 

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Yeah, and I would rather they not get power as well.
They already have power either way.. That doesn't affect their power, it only affects the power of the working class. The working and lower class is who gets crushed when republicans win here. The homeless rate has been skyrocketing.. That is not a design flaw, it is a feature. Trump has talked about how he profited off the housing crisis, that is how he teaches people to make money by ensuring families lose their homes..
 

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“In contrast,” they write, “we believe Joe Biden has the character, experience, and temperament to lead this nation. We believe he will restore the dignity of the presidency, bring Americans together, reassert America’s role as a global leader, and inspire our nation to live up to its ideals.”

Fuck yeah! No money to help people, but I bet Biden will find all the funds in the world to start a few more wars! And he'll have every Republican talking in his ear to egg him on!
 
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They already have power either way.. That doesn't affect their power, it only affects the power of the working class. The working and lower class is who gets crushed when republicans win here. The homeless rate has been skyrocketing.. That is not a design flaw, it is a feature. Trump has talked about how he profited off the housing crisis, that is how he teaches people to make money by ensuring families lose their homes..
They would have less power, as for the working class who make up the majority of non-voters, they get screwed either way.
 

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Yes. Debate semantics. That is absolutely the tactic that will convince everyone you're not doing this to validate your wounded ego.

Yeah, and I would rather they not get power as well.
You've already failed at that mission. They already are in power. Not voting didn't change that.

Gergar12 is just using y'all reposnes to get on their high horse.
Yeah... I still feel like it needs to be said that we're not buying his fake righteousness act. Still, the dude offers no pushback whatsoever at the accusation he's okay with sacrificing innocent people to Trump's policies. So I think we can safely conclude that no amount of human suffering is enough to dissuade him from his impotent crusade of doing nothing and calling that decisive action.

They would have less power, as for the working class who make up the majority of non-voters, they get screwed either way.
And there go the goalposts again.
 
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Gergar12 is justgoing to use y'all reposnes to get on their high horse. Votershaming is shit argumentation anyways. The way the polls are shaking out protests voter may literally mean nothing or just enough to give their third parties funding. And yes i'm taking account of how the polls fucked up in 2016.

I'm voting for biden for the record and while it's not wrong to vote for him to give progressives space there's ample reasoning to not trust that jackass.
He's from a past administration that fucked up an economic recovery and compromised too much with republicans and centrists. He's the one said adminstartion went and too "you're going too far" on that latter. Pessimism is warranted in this case even if doesn't make you messiah worshippers for being on the same level of it as me or them .
We don't really have much to be optimistic about tbh, we can only do the best we can with the tools we have. That is the best I am hoping for. That and a small sign of relief when Trump is no longer in control of FEMA, the Justice department, the EPA, the post office, the pandemic response .. the department of defense..

We REALLY need to be working on some viable candidate options for 2024 so this doesn't happen again.