Uzaki-proportioned existent woman comments on the ongoing controversy.

[Specter Von Baren]

From the interview, it sounds like it's more to do with presenting an unrealistic body image as desirable. People levy the same complaints at plenty of airbrushed Western model-shoots, advertising, and pornography; it's not exclusive to anime.

The fact that somebody has that body type is kind of beside the point. Of course some people do really have those hourglass figures. The argument is that if those idealised body types become ubiquitous in what we see (as they are in Western advertising, for instance), and it becomes almost all we see, then it starts to promote unhealthy expectations.

I suspect the argument around Uzaki is partly because she's one of many.

Why should we change our feelings on what's desirable to us? There are millions upon millions of unrealistic things in all of fiction that people idealize. Someone that's unusually just, someone that's unusually smart, are idealized. People that have lost an eye and wear an eyepatch look cool but no ones arguing that such characters are causing kids to poke their own eyes out and so they should be demonized.

If someone can't recognize that there's a difference between reality and fiction then they have much bigger problems that do not originate from the consumption of that fiction but within themselves. Women themselves engage in the consumption of trashy romance novels with unrealistic descriptions of men, why are men's interests always the ones with targets on them?

 

[Iron]

Why should we change our feelings on what's desirable to us? There are millions upon millions of unrealistic things in all of fiction that people idealize. Someone that's unusually just, someone that's unusually smart, are idealized. People that have lost an eye and wear an eyepatch look cool but no ones arguing that such characters are causing kids to poke their own eyes out and so they should be demonized.

If someone can't recognize that there's a difference between reality and fiction then they have much bigger problems that do not originate from the consumption of that fiction but within themselves. Women themselves engage in the consumption of trashy romance novels with unrealistic descriptions of men, why are men's interests always the ones with targets on them?

I still squirm whenever I am reminded of 50 shades, I watched it in the theater with my gf at the time. The things you do for love.

 

[SupahEwok]

Okay, now I'm certain that you guys make weeb threads within a week of the old one dying on purpose.

 

[Houseman]

Okay, now I'm certain that you guys make weeb threads within a week of the old one dying on purpose.

Weeb threads never die. How can you kill that which has no life?

 

[Kae]

I mean, Nagatoro is better, I don't know why you'd simp over Uzaki.

No idea what a Nagatoro is, so she can't be that good of a Waifu.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

No idea what a Nagatoro is, so she can't be that good of a Waifu.

Who is your waifu?

 

[Houseman]

No idea what a Nagatoro is, so she can't be that good of a Waifu.

You are uncultured

 

[Iron]

No idea what a Nagatoro is, so she can't be that good of a Waifu.

It's Peak Degeneracy.

 

[Kae]

Who is your waifu?

I don't think I'm enough of a weeb to have one, but I guess since she was my Avatar for years I should say Kumiko Oumae from Hibike! Euphonium.

I don't know what are the requirements for something to be a Waifu or a Husbando though, not sure I understand that part of weeb culture.

You are uncultured

Probably.

It's Peak Degeneracy.

I see, I don't know what to say, I guess she's like a horny girl?

 

[Dreiko]

Nagatoro isn't big enough for the normies to know about yet because her anime isn't out yet, only the manga. Give her a year or so.

Weeb threads never die. How can you kill that which has no life?

No man, threads die when they are killed.

I just want to say that I don't get it, I kinda feel like everyone involved in this is a complete idiot, both the people against the character and the people strangely obsessed with complaining about those people, to be honest I would've never even heard of the existence of this Uzaki San or whatever her name is if it wasn't for weebs oddly obsessed with complaining that other people are complaining about her existence or whatever.

Her name is Uzaki Hana.

And no the people complaining are the ones obsessing, we're just sitting here enjoying our show and people start obsessing over it because it's used to increase red cross blood donations by 47%. People are obsessing and being triggered by being shown the efficacy of cuteness and beauty due to their personal complexes and inferiority sentiments.

I see, I don't know what to say, I guess she's like a horny girl?

She's kind of the penultimate smug girl who likes to tease and make fun of the protag by being overly sultry. Uzaki is pretty vanilla and just kinda energetic and funny while Nagatoro is way more smug and bratty.

Basically if you're an M you will love Nagatoro way more. My perspective is to try to see the value in everything so I'm kinda equal opportunity appreciator.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Ok, not terribly invested in this (or sure what it's about)...but does anyone else think that that person looks like Ash from the Misfile webcomic?

If someone can't recognize that there's a difference between reality and fiction then they have much bigger problems that do not originate from the consumption of that fiction but within themselves.

Everyone says that people can tell the difference, and yet advertising and propaganda are zillion dollar industries. Spreading ideas through fiction is a cornerstone of culture.

 

[Dreiko]

Ok, not terribly invested in this (or sure what it's about)...but does anyone else think that that person looks like Ash from the Misfile webcomic?



Everyone says that people can tell the difference, and yet advertising and propaganda are zillion dollar industries. Spreading ideas through fiction is a cornerstone of culture.

Advertising doesn't spread ideas as much as entice people who already have them to act upon them. Most of the time you aren't made aware of a thing existing by an ad, you're just reminded of it, and reminded that you wanted to partake in it in the past but for some reason didn't.

So it's not like people who had no interest in something get brainwashed into partaking in it, it's more like people who had some minor passing or ambivalent interest in something already being coaxed into giving it a shot which they already kinda wanted to give it anyways but were hesitating due to various logistical reasons.

 

[Kae]

Her name is Uzaki Hana.

And no the people complaining are the ones obsessing, we're just sitting here enjoying our show and people start obsessing over it because it's used to increase red cross blood donations by 47%. People are obsessing and being triggered by being shown the efficacy of cuteness and beauty due to their personal complexes and inferiority sentiments.

I guess so, but I've only ever seen weebs obsessing and being triggered that other people are triggered, not saying they don't exist but the weebs complain more about the existence of these people than the actual people, it's almost as if they are just looking for someone to mock if you ask me.
Both factions seem quite stupid from my perspective.

She's kind of the penultimate smug girl who likes to tease and make fun of the protag by being overly sultry. Uzaki is pretty vanilla and just kinda energetic and funny while Nagatoro is way more smug and bratty.

Basically if you're an M you will love Nagatoro way more. My perspective is to try to see the value in everything so I'm kinda equal opportunity appreciator.

That's cool I guess, I don't know I don't think I'm a normie but I'm definitely not a weeb kind of freak either I guess so I don't think I get the appeal of this kind of thing, to be honest I don't think I get the appeal of erotica in general, but that's more of a me problem than anything else.

 

[Dreiko]

I guess so, but I've only ever seen weebs obsessing and being triggered that other people are triggered, not saying they don't exist but the weebs complain more about the existence of these people than the actual people, it's almost as if they are just looking for someone to mock if you ask me.
Both factions seem quite stupid from my perspective.



That's cool I guess, I don't know I don't think I'm a normie but I'm definitely not a weeb kind of freak either I guess so I don't think I get the appeal of this kind of thing, to be honest I don't think I get the appeal of erotica in general, but that's more of a me problem than anything else.

I dunno man, I don't think when someone indirectly (and sometimes quite directly) implies you're attracted to children because you like a short busty chick it's you "obsessing" to debunk such notions.

As for the appeal, again, if you're an M it'll be apparent but if you're not it's harder to explain. I'll go on to assume you're not an M by it not being apparent to you and just explain what I get out of the character.

So, Nagatoro is the one who is typically on the offense, she keeps the protagonist off-balance with her advances and makes fun of his reactions. But she's kinda insecure deep down and is masking that by being overly-aggressive, which I find quite cute. And there's moments where the roles are reversed for a little bit and her insecurities surface and she is super adorable during those moments. That's kinda what makes the series worth it for me, since I'm not an M either. People who are M are more straightforwardly into being bullied by this chick and don't think too deeply about it.

Not too much to do with being a weeb or not, btw.

 

[Kae]

I dunno man, I don't think when someone indirectly (and sometimes quite directly) implies you're attracted to children because you like a short busty chick it's you "obsessing" to debunk such notions.

I guess so, but let's take for example this board, do you have any opponents here?
Aren't you basically just saying "SEE I WAS RIGHT!" to a bunch of people that have nothing at all to do with this discussion?
That's the kind of stuff I mean, though I guess I could just be annoyed that the youtube algorithm keeps recommending me videos on the topic despite the fact that I've watched none of them and I have no interest on the topic, I don't even know in which platform this discussion is occurring.

As for the appeal, again, if you're an M it'll be apparent but if you're not it's harder to explain. I'll go on to assume you're not an M by it not being apparent to you and just explain what I get out of the character.

So, Nagatoro is the one who is typically on the offense, she keeps the protagonist off-balance with her advances and makes fun of his reactions. But she's kinda insecure deep down and is masking that by being overly-aggressive, which I find quite cute. And there's moments where the roles are reversed for a little bit and her insecurities surface and she is super adorable during those moments. That's kinda what makes the series worth it for me, since I'm not an M either. People who are M are more straightforwardly into being bullied by this chick and don't think too deeply about it.

Not too much to do with being a weeb or not, btw.

Oh, after much thinking I guess that with M you mean masochist?
Not gonna lie it took me quite a while to understand what you meant, I guess I can sort of see what you mean now.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I get the feeling you could block like, 6 people on Twitter and this would cease being an ongoing controversy.
And 3 of those people make YouTube videos about how there's an ongoing controversy that's definitely a serious thing.

 

[Chimpzy]

I mean, Nagatoro is better, I don't know why you'd simp over Uzaki.

Meh. Anjou is where it's really at.

 

[Silvanus]

Why should we change our feelings on what's desirable to us? There are millions upon millions of unrealistic things in all of fiction that people idealize. Someone that's unusually just, someone that's unusually smart, are idealized.

Well sure, but those are character personality traits. They're not purely physical. There's an element of shallowness in idealising hyper-fit (or even unhealthily thin) body types.

If someone can't recognize that there's a difference between reality and fiction then they have much bigger problems that do not originate from the consumption of that fiction but within themselves.

It's nothing to do with differentiating fiction from reality. If something is idealised, then people transplant the ideal into the real world.

Fiction highly informs how kids develop formative morals and ideals. Take a kid reading Dickens' A Christmas Carol, for instance: a story in which kindness and charity are presented as desirable. Nobody in their right mind would tell the kid that there's a difference between reality and fiction, so you shouldn't take away from it that kind and charitable are the ways to be.

Women themselves engage in the consumption of trashy romance novels with unrealistic descriptions of men, why are men's interests always the ones with targets on them?

Uhrm, they're not. There was loads of criticism of the unhealthy relationship models idealised in trashy romance novels like Twilight and Fifty Shades.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I'm still not entirely sure if curvy characters being "unrealistic" is a thing people actually say or just a thing people say people say.

 

[Chimpzy]

I'm still not entirely sure if curvy characters being "unrealistic" is a thing people actually say or just a thing people say people say.

Seems to be just this week's bout of "The sjw's are coming to take our waifus/games/whatevers!" panic.