Whistleblowing Nurse: ICE may be doing an ethnic cleansing via sterilization

[Exley97]

Ok so would a nurse necessarily know the Doctor in question hadn't found reason for the operation to happen and was pulling a fast one?

Yes. Nurses are briefed on patients' conditions/ailments and are often more knowledgable about those conditions and situations than the doctors performing the operations because they spend more time with patients than the surgeons.

More importantly, these women *might* have had conditions that required hysterectomies, though the list of life-threatening ailments that justify performing this irreversible operation on otherwise healthy women of child-bearing age is pretty short (cancer/tumors and uncontrollable vaginal bleeding). Perfoming this operation on women who have had heavy menstrual cycles, as the complaint alleges, is NOT one of them. It's medical malpractice *at best*, and probably criminal. But again, for the sake of argument, let's say there were some underlying conditions that MAY have required hysterectomies for these women -- then why were doctors in this medical facility denying these women other basic healthcare? They apparently didn't give a shit about detainees' health before, but suddenly they identify ailments that require major, invasive surgery that sterilizes the patients? Does that add up to you?

 

[Adam Jensen]

To those downplaying this:
Informed consent is compulsory in healthcare.

Laws have been broken here, there is NO question of that, the only thing to be seen is how far these violations go and with what intent.

Genocidal intent is pretty much a given in this case. As hard as one might try to concoct some kind of cute lie to justify this, realistically there's really no other reason for someone to do this only to one ethnic group.

 

[Kwak]

I'm all for mass sterilisation, but not of select groups. Universal. From birth.

 

[Silvanus]

That shouldn't make you scared, it should make you skeptical.

After all, what reason could nurses and staff have to keep quiet, when those that do come forward are met with immediate distrust (like the above)?

 

[Asita]

That sounds more like general malpractice and incompetence on the part of the facility itself then.

At minimum. That'd be lowballing it, really. One of the allegations I didn't mention was that one of the inmates was denied her breast cancer medication for six weeks. That's a dead ringer for Deliberate Indifference on a level that could very well have fatal consequences, making it at least arguably an Eighth Amendment violation. Similarly, deceptively altering medical records, by its very nature for a case like this, basically amounts to evidence tampering and is in itself practically a slam dunk for the prosecution in any malpractice case.

However, there's also a question that is not being asked: If this facility is so blase about their detainees health as to create (if not encourage) an unsafe environment, to ignore medical requests, and deny them medicine for things as severe as cancer...why is the facility also allegedly rushing women to get hysterectomies (and for ovarian cysts and symptoms they deny having, no less)?

 

[Exley97]

However, there's also a question that is not being asked: If this facility is so blase about their detainees health as to create (if not encourage) an unsafe environment, to ignore medical requests, and deny them medicine for things as severe as cancer...why is the facility also allegedly rushing women to get hysterectomies (and for ovarian cysts and symptoms they deny having, no less)?

I actually did ask that question above, and it's the biggest red flag about these operations. For years we've seen reports, from both the media AND the U.S. government, about a lack of basic medical care administered to ICE detainees to the point where obviously serious fevers or breathing problems were ignored, resulting in deaths. Those conditions have only worsened during the pandemic. And now the public is supposed to believe that well-meaning doctors contracted by ICE 1) were concerned enough about excessive menstrual bleeding to escalate care, 2) implemented basic and less intrusive steps to address the problems, 3) took the time to identify that potentially life-threatening internal conditions existed in these detainees (cysts, tumors, etc.) and 4) only decided to go ahead with hysterectomies as a last resort?

That's extremely hard to believe.

 

[Trunkage]

I actually did ask that question above, and it's the biggest red flag about these operations. For years we've seen reports, from both the media AND the U.S. government, about a lack of basic medical care administered to ICE detainees to the point where obviously serious fevers or breathing problems were ignored, resulting in deaths. Those conditions have only worsened during the pandemic. And now the public is supposed to believe that well-meaning doctors contracted by ICE 1) were concerned enough about excessive menstrual bleeding to escalate care, 2) implemented basic and less intrusive steps to address the problems, 3) took the time to identify that potentially life-threatening internal conditions existed in these detainees (cysts, tumors, etc.) and 4) only decided to go ahead with hysterectomies as a last resort?

That's extremely hard to believe.

But they're not real Americans. We can treat them however we want...

If make you feel better, I said the exact same thing about some Aussie government decision recently

 

[Baffle]

Yes. Nurses are briefed on patients' conditions/ailments and are often more knowledgable about those conditions and situations than the doctors performing the operations because they spend more time with patients than the surgeons.

More importantly, these women *might* have had conditions that required hysterectomies, though the list of life-threatening ailments that justify performing this irreversible operation on otherwise healthy women of child-bearing age is pretty short (cancer/tumors and uncontrollable vaginal bleeding). Perfoming this operation on women who have had heavy menstrual cycles, as the complaint alleges, is NOT one of them. It's medical malpractice *at best*, and probably criminal. But again, for the sake of argument, let's say there were some underlying conditions that MAY have required hysterectomies for these women -- then why were doctors in this medical facility denying these women other basic healthcare? They apparently didn't give a shit about detainees' health before, but suddenly they identify ailments that require major, invasive surgery that sterilizes the patients? Does that add up to you?

Just quoting to add that I'm most of the way through a huge gynaecology text book and, while I no longer wish to know about the existence of vaginas, you're spot on in your assessment (I'm sure you know this, I'm just agreeing).

 

[Trunkage]

Just quoting to add that I'm most of the way through a huge gynaecology text book and, while I no longer wish to know about the existence of vaginas, you're spot on in your assessment (I'm sure you know this, I'm just agreeing).

 

[Baffle]

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So much can go wrong!

 

[Trunkage]

So much can go wrong!

I meant, why are you reading a gynaecology text book

 

[Houseman]

I meant, why are you reading a gynaecology text book

I mean, there's only one reason why anyone would do such a thing, right? [Insert dirty joke here]

 

[tstorm823]

After all, what reason could nurses and staff have to keep quiet, when those that do come forward are met with immediate distrust (like the above)?

Skepticism isn't distrust.

 

[happyninja42]

Yes. Nurses are briefed on patients' conditions/ailments and are often more knowledgable about those conditions and situations than the doctors performing the operations because they spend more time with patients than the surgeons.

More importantly, these women *might* have had conditions that required hysterectomies, though the list of life-threatening ailments that justify performing this irreversible operation on otherwise healthy women of child-bearing age is pretty short (cancer/tumors and uncontrollable vaginal bleeding). Perfoming this operation on women who have had heavy menstrual cycles, as the complaint alleges, is NOT one of them. It's medical malpractice *at best*, and probably criminal. But again, for the sake of argument, let's say there were some underlying conditions that MAY have required hysterectomies for these women -- then why were doctors in this medical facility denying these women other basic healthcare? They apparently didn't give a shit about detainees' health before, but suddenly they identify ailments that require major, invasive surgery that sterilizes the patients? Does that add up to you?

Yeah considering how many YEARS a friend of mine had to suffer with her reproductive problems, where she was actively WANTING a hysterectomy but couldn't get it approved, it is strange that these women would be given this procedure with almost no delay. I'm not an expert on the uterus, but while my friend was in extreme pain for years, and suffered from terrible menstruation as well, it apparently wasn't life threatening enough to warrant surgery, for years. And she's a US citizen, and veteran. So...yeah, illegal detainees getting such speedy medical care? For a body part that was likely not life threatening? Definitely seems fishy.

 

[Buyetyen]

And now the public is supposed to believe that well-meaning doctors contracted by ICE 1) were concerned enough about excessive menstrual bleeding to escalate care, 2) implemented basic and less intrusive steps to address the problems, 3) took the time to identify that potentially life-threatening internal conditions existed in these detainees (cysts, tumors, etc.) and 4) only decided to go ahead with hysterectomies as a last resort?

That's extremely hard to believe.

And as some people in this thread have demonstrated, they are willing and eager to pretend that is exactly what has happened. Because they don't give a shit.

 

[Baffle]

I meant, why are you reading a gynaecology text book

I've been commissioned to find out where House Elves come from. Just exploring potential avenues (as it were) at this stage.

 

[Trunkage]

I've been commissioned to find out where House Elves come from. Just exploring potential avenues (as it were) at this stage.

Well, that explains everything

 

[Gordon_4]

you guys can't take a joke for the life of you, a good fifth of my material is holocaust-related

Or, you’re just not fucking funny.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

They are talking about more than 5 cases of malpractice here, these are just the 5 she spoke to, not that they even believe there are only 5 people at all. I am not sure why you think there are only 5 people total involved. When the government pays for any procedure, they ALWAYS review it, that is not a process skipped normally at all when it involves a major surgery. Someone had to sign off on it and approve it, otherwise it is not paid for.

The nurses didn't tell them that they were having a hysterectomy, instead the nurses lied to them and told them:

"Another nurse then told her the procedure was to mitigate her heavy menstrual bleeding, which the woman had never experienced. When she explained that, the nurse “responded by getting angry and agitated and began yelling at her.”

“She was originally told by the doctor that she had an ovarian cyst and was going to have a small twenty-minute procedure done drilling three small holes in her stomach to drain the cyst,” according to the complaint. “The officer who was transporting her to the hospital told her that she was receiving a hysterectomy to have her womb removed. When the hospital refused to operate on her because her COVID-19 test came back positive for antibodies, she was transferred back to ICDC where the ICDC nurse said that the procedure she was going to have done entailed dilating her vagina and scraping tissue off. “

In what way is that just going along with a physician's diagnosis? They lied to the patients about procedures and changed their stories as to what was being done to them and yelled at them when they questioned what was happening.. NONE of that is normal. None of that should have been happening at all and is quite alarming to hear from any patient.

It's possible people were thinking of a different patient at the time or just got told the wrong info.

 

[Trunkage]

It's possible people were thinking of a different patient at the time or just got told the wrong info.

We’re talking about doctors here. They might be able to perform complex surgery but telling people apart from each other is almost an impossibility for them