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Whistleblowing Nurse: ICE may be doing an ethnic cleansing via sterilization
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Still second and third hand information coming through a group with a motive. Not gonna move me past "wait and see".
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If the one specific doctor isn't prosecuted, I don't really care about her testimony. I want something that gets actual investigators involved, one person's testimony is hardly ever sufficient to believe something, especially something as grave as forced sterilization.
I'm confused, you have an area of expertise?
No. So it is technically correct that medicine law is not my area of expertise.
More than just the physician would need to be prosecuted here. From what was said thus far, there were nurses, transport involved so this was more than just one doctor doing this independently as I am not aware of any nurses who would actively participate in this unless they were a part of making it happen. Why would any nurse do or say what they said the nurse did to them if they were not aware of what is happening. They had to be involved as well for that to happen like that.
yeah you've got to figure out if this is the doctor, the contractor company itself, or entire ICE
Let us wait until a proper scapegoat is named and coincidentally dies of natural causes
Probably not, no, or if he did it was to avoid the consequences of his actions and living as their scapegoat.
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You hear all this nonsense about Clinton having him killed, but Clinton was not the one with the power to do so at the time.
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From most of Trump's patterns though he preemptively strikes out accusing others of doing what it turns out later that he actually did, so if this were the case, it would not be out of his normal patterns for accusations. Though I still think Epstein actually did just kill himself.
Outside of that it could have been one of those many people constantly issuing anyone who they perceive as a threat to Trump a constant barrage of death threats.
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Trump Hosted Party With Jeffrey Epstein and ‘28 Girls,’ Report Claims
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Looks like a lot of what is happening now is coming straight out of the White supremacists Eugenics playbook, to the surprise of no one.
The history of the statute that can make it a felony to illegally enter the country involves some dark corners of U.S. history.
"Amid a bipartisan backlash, President Trump has tried repeatedly to shift blame to Democrats for his own administration’s “zero-tolerance” immigration policy, which has resulted in more than 2,300 migrant children being taken from their families along the U.S.–Mexico border. “The Democrats have to change their law — that’s their law,” Trump told reporters on Friday. "
"Known originally as the “Undesirable Aliens Act,” the statute would not exist without support from, respectively, a eugenicist and a white supremacist."
"The law in question was the foundation of a memo Attorney General Jeff Sessions issued in early April that laid out the administration’s new, zero-tolerance policy. In the memo, Sessions instructed federal prosecutors in the southwestern United States to file criminal charges against any adults caught entering the country illegally. His order stripped officials of discretion over whether to place migrant families seeking asylum into civil proceedings, which allow families to stay together. (Court rulings limit how long the government can detain migrants in civil proceedings. There’s also no guarantee they’ll return for future hearing dates once they’re let out, a phenomenon that has prompted the president’s complaints about “catch and release.”)"
"On Monday, ProPublica published audio recorded at a U.S. Customs and Border Protection detention facility in which a Border Patrol agent mocks the wails of migrant children as young as 4. Liberals and conservatives alike have condemned the policy, calling it “cruel,” an “atrocity,” and “inconsistent with our American values.” "
"Davis was a committed eugenicist, and he believed principles of eugenics should guide immigration policy, according to The Bully Pulpit and the Melting Pot by the historian Hans Vought. It was necessary to draw a distinction, Davis had written in 1923, between “bad stock and good stock, weak blood and strong blood, sound heredity and sickly human stuff.”"
Behind the Criminal Immigration Law: Eugenics and White Supremacy
The history of the statute that can make it a felony to illegally enter the country involves some dark corners of U.S. history.
www.propublica.org
Looks like a lot of what is happening now is coming straight out of the White supremacists Eugenics playbook, to the surprise of no one.
Ok has anyone asked the obvious but important questions yet.
1) Is this 1 facility or across multiple ones?
2) People in this thread said everyone this doctor sees seems to get a hysterectomy has anyone considered the issue is The Doctor?
I'm assuming by everyone they also mean people outside the camp who see him.
3) Is he a specialise in hysterectomies?
There need to be more investigation here rather than jumping to conclusions of mass government backed sterlisation based on 5 cases all linked to 1 doctor.
It's possible he's a specialist so gets called in to examine women when some-thing has already been found or suspected and he confirms it and does the operation
It's possible (like we had in the UK with a Breast surgeon) he's profiteering here and with the US system being more profit driven than the UK one that would be more possible. Doc claims they need a hysterectomy knowing he'll get hired to do the surgery most likely and then gets to charge old Uncle Sam a nice bit of money for his services even if they weren't actually required. In the UK it took years for them to discover and get the Doctor who did this and the UK has more checks and balances in place supposedly. Thing is no-one at ICE might have the knowledge to challenge his claims, he's the Doctor they wouldn't deliberately put people through unnecessary surgery for profit right? He's a trustworthy expert right?
1) Is this 1 facility or across multiple ones?
2) People in this thread said everyone this doctor sees seems to get a hysterectomy has anyone considered the issue is The Doctor?
I'm assuming by everyone they also mean people outside the camp who see him.
3) Is he a specialise in hysterectomies?
There need to be more investigation here rather than jumping to conclusions of mass government backed sterlisation based on 5 cases all linked to 1 doctor.
It's possible he's a specialist so gets called in to examine women when some-thing has already been found or suspected and he confirms it and does the operation
It's possible (like we had in the UK with a Breast surgeon) he's profiteering here and with the US system being more profit driven than the UK one that would be more possible. Doc claims they need a hysterectomy knowing he'll get hired to do the surgery most likely and then gets to charge old Uncle Sam a nice bit of money for his services even if they weren't actually required. In the UK it took years for them to discover and get the Doctor who did this and the UK has more checks and balances in place supposedly. Thing is no-one at ICE might have the knowledge to challenge his claims, he's the Doctor they wouldn't deliberately put people through unnecessary surgery for profit right? He's a trustworthy expert right?
We cannot possibly know the answers of how widespread this was until we have a congressional investigation. Right now, we only have the information provided by the Whistelblower nurse and likely the statements provided to investigators for the law firm by the detainees.
The physician in question would not have been able to act alone according to what the detainees have stated the nurses and those transporting them told them. From what was stated he was a gynecologist. However even if his specialty was hysterectomies, every patient who sees a specialist would not be determined to need one. For example, when you see a surgeon who specializes in gallbladder removal, he is only supposed to remove gallbladders in patients that he can show they actually need to have this done otherwise that is medical malpractice. He doesn't remove organs from every patient that comes to see him. He would be jailed and held criminally negligent and lose his license to practice medicine if he did that.
If this physician cannot prove that these were medically necessary, they were illegal and he should be criminally liable. In addition since he was doing this while these women were in US custody, the US government would also owe them financial compensation for allowing this to happen to them while is US custody. The US was responsible for signing off on this as well as providing transport and security that made it so they could not even flee the hospital while undergoing and recovering from these procedures at minimum. The women being in US custody may have not even been at liberty to refuse to comply. US officials may also be held criminally responsible as well depending on the results of the investigation. The investigation has not yet even been initiated, as they have only just now received the whistle blower complaint.
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