Attacking Antifa is bad, actually.
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Strange cause a lot of AntiFA seem to be very Anti-Israel.You realize that many of Antifa are also Jews right? The same Jews proud boys like to rant about? Antifa was formed by and to protect Jews FROM the Nazis. They think it takes violence to fight violence so that is why they fight Nazis. I have no idea why people do not know this. They have been around since Nazis came around as a response TO them.
"When Italian dictator Benito Mussolini consolidated power under his National Fascist Party in the mid-1920s, an oppositional anti-fascist movement surfaced both in Italy and countries such as the United States. Many anti-fascist leaders in the United States were anarchist, socialist and syndicalist émigrés from Italy with experience in labor organizing and militancy.[77] Ideologically, antifa in the United States sees itself as the successor to anti-Nazi activists of the 1930s."
Antifa (United States) - Wikipedia
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Here’s what you need to know about the anti-fascist group Antifa
Amid George Floyd protests, Trump called Antifa a terror organization.www.jpost.com
Also isn't Ben Shapiro Jewish and they've been trying to claim he's a Nazi for a while?
Again are you conflating Proud Boys with some other groups cause I've not really seen the Proud Boys specifically yell about Jews.
Seems like an attempt to conflate the two things to use as a shield to me really.
I'm not particularly familiar with it, but isn't it like three strikes of anything, no matter how minor? I'm hazy on what people call misdemeanours, but like, if you were caught with weed three times would that be three strikes? That would seem very excessive to me, and not a deterrent to serious crime at all.
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Not all Jewish people believe in Israeli's occupation of the west bank. Not even all Israeli believe in it. You aren't "Anti Israel" to not support the violent removal of people from their homes, bulldozing them and then many families being forced to flee who had nothing to do with the attacks to other nations where they are STILL now without a nation at all. That is not the same as being " anti Israel". Do you believe with every action your nation has done? Disagreeing with that is being " anti UK"? Quit being ridiculous, not agreeing with Israel's actions doesn't have anything to do with them being anti Jewish in any way.
Oh and Jews are critical of Ben Shapiro too,
Ben Shapiro’s ‘hateful’ attack on his fellow Jews
Ezra Schwartz writes about Ben Shapiro's hateful comments towards his fellow Jews.
www.cjnews.com
Proud Boys Founder Recorded Video Titled '10 Things I Hate About The Jews'
Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes defended Holocaust deniers in an anti-Semitic rant from 2017.
www.newsweek.com
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Israel is a neo-colonialist ethno-state. It is unsurprising Antifa would be opposed.
He is and he may as well be. His ideological project is definitely rooted in racism and various kinds of extreme nationalism, which is ultimately indistinguishable from fascism itself.
I have.
Proud Boys and Fascists can be conflated because Proud Boys are Fascists.
Proud Boys Founder Recorded Video Titled '10 Things I Hate About The Jews'
Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes defended Holocaust deniers in an anti-Semitic rant from 2017.
www.newsweek.com
Why do you think this is relevant?
You wanna see Identity Politics? Here it is...
Trump's cabinet: The people around the president
Meet President Donald Trump's family, inner circle and team.
www.bbc.com
This is Trump's Cabinet. I wonder if you can pick up on a pattern. I'll give you a clue, it got to do with people's identity ....
Trump has always been about certain coloured skins being unacceptable. Eg. claiming all 'Mexicans' are rapists etc. But sure OlNy lEFt dO iDenTIty PoLitICS
That also covers gross generalisations as well. Because no one can generalise like calling a WHOLE CONTINENT as Mexicans.
So how about PC? Trump is legit trying to change history to fit his own ideology through this 'Patriotic Learning' nonsense. He wants everyone to believe a certain way. He out PCed the Left by a country mile
It's quite hilarious how people keep complaining about the Left when the Right do it all the time.
Because when the Right do it, they aren't being "politically" correct, they are just being Correct. In their own head anyway.
Legit the dumbest shit I see on the internet is some right winger yelling about political correctness while trying to force their political correctness on everyone else
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Yeah, its a bad law, but it was sold to reign in "career" criminals. And at the time it got pretty heavy support from all sides. But it ended up causing a lot more issues then it solved, because yeah, those who got the third strike even for something minor got very long sentences.
Joe Biden states the Green New Deal will pay for itself, then pivoted to saying he doesn't support it. WTF.
Trump wouldn't condemn white supremacists because many are his supporters, and or voters. Republicans love appealing to their base on social/cultural issues.
But Biden did win not because he didn't interrupt Trump because Al Gore did the same thing to Ross Perot in a Free Trade Debate, and the media wouldn't shut up about how Ross Perot lost.
Biden won because he answers yes to I believe a question about respecting the winner of the election and being the bigger person, but Trump wouldn't condemn white supremacist and granted Biden did dodge the SCOTUS question about court-packing, but for me that didn't really click as I despise the Supreme Court, but if your the type to like the Supreme court it's a tie.
The militias are idiots who are leading to this country heading to a civil war that those idiots will likely start. Also, Antifa does exist, but they likely have no formal leadership, and their members like to say I am not Anftia before doing something violent. They exist in consequence, but not in law, but the right-wing does commit more violence via killings.
Trump wouldn't condemn white supremacists because many are his supporters, and or voters. Republicans love appealing to their base on social/cultural issues.
But Biden did win not because he didn't interrupt Trump because Al Gore did the same thing to Ross Perot in a Free Trade Debate, and the media wouldn't shut up about how Ross Perot lost.
Biden won because he answers yes to I believe a question about respecting the winner of the election and being the bigger person, but Trump wouldn't condemn white supremacist and granted Biden did dodge the SCOTUS question about court-packing, but for me that didn't really click as I despise the Supreme Court, but if your the type to like the Supreme court it's a tie.
The militias are idiots who are leading to this country heading to a civil war that those idiots will likely start. Also, Antifa does exist, but they likely have no formal leadership, and their members like to say I am not Anftia before doing something violent. They exist in consequence, but not in law, but the right-wing does commit more violence via killings.
Oh please you really demonstrate how weak your argument is if you have to involve the KKK. The most fringe of cuckoos. You try to cherry pick historic examples and if I give the most recent example that happened not even so long ago and that hit black people the most like the 3 strike rule suddenly it wasn't put into legislation by a 'real liberal'. Lol. Like if anyone couldn't guess how presumptuous that law is by not even having a ceiling for the severity of crimes. It was just cleaning up the underclass in a sleazeball manner so Clinton could act 'tough on crime' just as crooked Hillary would call them 'deplorables' in an off-hand remark(considering how she protects foreign embassies and the competence with which she protects her confidential emails she's one to talk). These 'liberals' are the most condescending pricks around. Oh and didn't Clinton start the privatization of prisons as well.
Fact is laws and the social climate are a product of it's time and current culture of 'wokeness' finds no equal in the right no matter how desperate you search for examples that aren't there.
In all fairness though, sometimes they really aren't Antifa, they are just anarchists and they all look the same so you can't really tell them apart. I'm not saying that Antifa are not violent, nor do they claim to be, they instead believe that the only way to fight Nazi violence is WITH violence and promise Nazis they will violently defend people from the Nazis/ They 100% support punching Nazis, but so did allied troops...
US Antifa was created to protect Jews from Nazis using violence as a reaction to Nazi violence, and US Antifa still views this as their purpose. I don't think anyone pretends Antifa isn't violent, it is just that some may view them as being correct that the only way you stop Nazi violence is WITH violence otherwise they will just hurt/abuse /kill everyone instead unchallenged.
Historic examples? The KKK is STILL HERE. They were at MY COURTHOUSE, We have them here with the Nazis as well as all these other white nationalists groups and militias. I receive their fliers on my door and car. Where do you live that you think this isn't still very much a problem? Does this look like it is " history" yet?
Yea, you see this? This is MY courthouse where I grew up and live right now. You think this ever stopped? It hasn't.
Don't give me BS about historic examples, My elementary school was raping hundreds of kids, beating and abusing MANY more, tying me to a chair and forcing me to read a bible was minor compared to what other members of my family and friends had done to them there. It isn't " fringe" it is systemic and ingrained in the US at all levels. The Moses textbooks are selected by Texas for schools across the US. Texas decides what goes in the textbooks for the nation.
"And when it comes to textbooks, what happens in Texas affects the nation as a whole. Texas is one of the nation's largest textbook markets because it is one of the few where the state decides what books schools can buy rather than leaving it up to local districts, which means publishers that get their books approved can count on millions of dollars in sales. Further, publishers craft their standard textbooks based on the requirements of the biggest buyers. As a result, the Texas board has the power to shape the textbooks that children around the country read for years to come"
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/revisionaries/
Churches have been blocking evolution being taught in schools to millions of children:
I Was Never Taught Where Humans Came From
Many American students, myself included, never learn the human part of evolution.
www.theatlantic.com
Don't give me this BS about this ' being historical" THIS IS STILL HAPPENING.
Christians trying to overturn Roe Vs Wade are ALSO trying to impose their religion on everyone else as well. Christians trying to outlaw gay marriage? How is any of this not imposing their views onto others? It is BS and you know it is BS.
and no, private prisons started in 1984 in Tennessee, not by Clinton.
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So the Jewish people aren't a monolith on either side then so AntiFA can't claim to be the sole representation of jewish people.Not all Jewish people believe in Israeli's occupation of the west bank. Not even all Israeli believe in it. You aren't "Anti Israel" to not support the violent removal of people from their homes, bulldozing them and then many families being forced to flee who had nothing to do with the attacks to other nations where they are STILL now without a nation at all. That is not the same as being " anti Israel". Do you believe with every action your nation has done? Disagreeing with that is being " anti UK"? Quit being ridiculous, not agreeing with Israel's actions doesn't have anything to do with them being anti Jewish in any way.
Oh and Jews are critical of Ben Shapiro too,
Did you read the articles I linked earlier? If you had you would see proud boys founder ranting about Jews. THIS speciifcally:Ben Shapiro’s ‘hateful’ attack on his fellow Jews
Ezra Schwartz writes about Ben Shapiro's hateful comments towards his fellow Jews.
Proud Boys Founder Recorded Video Titled '10 Things I Hate About The Jews'
Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes defended Holocaust deniers in an anti-Semitic rant from 2017.
Also McInnes left the proud boys.
I mean have we forgotten about the democrat council man and the conspiracy he was spreading about Jewish weather control?
Well considering some of them don't want countries at all I'm not shocked. I mean what was it "No Trump, No Wall, No USA at all" or after that "Abolish the police then Abolish the USA" some were chanting?
So no evidence just the belief it must be because right wing? So it's not at all possible for the left to end up seeming racist at all?
Any video evidence?
I dunno when AntiFA will members will beat some-one unconscious over a mere accusation and The Proud Boys from video footage stop after a few hits one side looks more like the brown shirt revelling in being vicious to me.
Just a lot of talk of hating bankers being a dogwhistle used to talk about hating Jewish people by those on the left
Specifically Trump said some Mexicans and those make up a large portion of those coming to the USA illegally.You wanna see Identity Politics? Here it is...
Trump's cabinet: The people around the president
Meet President Donald Trump's family, inner circle and team.www.bbc.com
This is Trump's Cabinet. I wonder if you can pick up on a pattern. I'll give you a clue, it got to do with people's identity ....
Trump has always been about certain coloured skins being unacceptable. Eg. claiming all 'Mexicans' are rapists etc. But sure OlNy lEFt dO iDenTIty PoLitICS
That also covers gross generalisations as well. Because no one can generalise like calling a WHOLE CONTINENT as Mexicans.
So how about PC? Trump is legit trying to change history to fit his own ideology through this 'Patriotic Learning' nonsense. He wants everyone to believe a certain way. He out PCed the Left by a country mile
It's quite hilarious how people keep complaining about the Left when the Right do it all the time.
He never specifically said all Mexicans are rapists that's a false claim.
As for "Patriotic learning"
1) The USA already has it to an extent anyway.
2) It's better than the push to remove all history education that's being going on.
3) It would still likely be better than pushing the idea that everyone is beholden to the crimes of their ancestors because otherwise it leads to stupid stuff like bloodline purges and punishments were the act of a relative results in you also being punished. IF the patriotic education portrays the USA as a multicultural society where everyone can make it no matter where they come from then it may actually help things thanks to the psychological idea of the Pygmaolian Effect.
No they're being their normal selves. I mean the idea was the Left held itself to a better standard once upon a time. Now it's more than happy to go "Yeh we're awful and shit but we're not those guys"
The weird thing to me in BLM exists but has no official leadership. It has chapter leaders and local leaders etc but people can acknowledge it exists and the groups etc that comprise it exist.
Also not all AntiFA claim not to be AntiFA the guy who shot one of the Proud Boys recently declared he was a member of AntiFA in interviews.
I'll say also Right wing (often solo nut jobs) kill more. Though the way things are going this year it might even up the numbers a bit. However Far Left types don't kill so much as try to maim because if you kill some-one you create a martyr if you maim some-one they serve as a warning.
yeh but well
The problem with the name game is so many groups use names and ignorance to try and hide the real horror of their activities.
E.G. PETA who are all for ethical animal treatment but to them that means killing all pets because domestic breeds shouldn't exist in their belief.
or The National Center on Sexual Exploitation which is in reality just Morality in Media a pro media censorship group.
AntiFa are also very hair trigger over what constitutes being a Nazi it seems
I mean the Brown Shirts used to deliberately organise to turn up to other peoples political events to try and shut them down or cause trouble.
If it were about defending people you'd think there would be more defence going on and less offence. Like say when that armed left wing group came in and marched along the side of a right wing rally a few years back.
Yeah, fuck Nations. Nations suck.
Well there’s his book on how western society is descended from the twin cities of Jerusalem and Athens where he posits the fundamental necessity of a Christian west that also carries on the (fictional) values of Athenian Democracy. The book that’s basically his only actual work of political theory which basically boils down to fascist Hegelianism. Also his many fictional works which posit that cases of police shooting minors are all orchestrated by crack dealers, there’s an evil alliance between Sunni extremists and Iran to destroy America and hide Saddam’s actually real WMDs, all illegal immigrants are agents of the Cartels, and that white Obama is a Nazi. Not to mention the fascist aesthetics of his works of fiction, but I’ll skip that since it’d require you to a have a sense for that.
I can literally just mention their heavy presence at Charlottesville and Crimson posted a sufficient rant from their founder (McInnes was still involved with them at the time and arguably still is, he left for legal reasons). So yes, there’s evidence.
Aside from, y’know, the woman they killed in Charlottesville, the woman they paralyzed in Portland, the many assaults that Tiny is facing charges for, that video of Tiny beating the shit out of a guy in Seattle then stealing his phone, the people Joe Riggs has assaulted including the journalist whose hand he broke with a baton before hitting him with a shield, etc, yeah, the Proud Boys have never assaulted anyone.
In other words, shut up.
Here's what I see as one of the main things people haven't noticed or brought up much.
the "The right are abandoning their principals for Trump".
Which looking at it seems like a solid argument. Until you realise those principals and positions are ones that were hated on.
Trump is NOT the typical right winger based on the USAs history so all the attacks on Trump (when lets be real he's far less hardline and extreme than a lot of republicans) for how awful and apocalyptic he will be come off false or worse as more serious attacks on fundamentalists because in a lot of ways they are more extreme. So attack Trump drives their determination to fight back more because they see the claims of how extreme Trump is as false and see rhetoric from Left wingers about how red states don't matter and flyover states should die and how it's the fault of people living in said states for not moving. Some people were trained and have jobs there and families there so it's not so easy.
Trump isn't eloquent but often he's misquoted and you either have to be on Trump's level or be able to look at what was said and try to be fair to Trump and not look for the most malicious interpretation of his claims. Which added to the social media age where blind hate and making people out to be monsters gets easy clicks it's easy to fall into that Trap.
It's funny to me really as some of Trump's positions were Obama esc like reducing the national debt (seriously look back Romney tried to play off debt as not a big issue)
I'm sure there's more like stuff on about China.
The problem is vs Trump that Obama was a step forward. Clinton was a leap backwards and Biden seems like a tiny step back towards Obama. It's like the parties are coming closer and closer to meeting in the middle or even passing one another.
At this stage Trump could give an arbitrary token gesture on healthcare, lets say he makes Ambulances to hospital for serious or lifelong conditions (Like Epilepsy) free. Suddenly he's basically done more seemingly than Biden has said he's willing to. That mere token gesture could do huge things. I mean Trump probably won't but that's how easy this race would be.
The claim is the democrat party isn't fighting itself yet with a senate majority it couldn't pass a bill to help bail out people struggling due to Covid-19 and in the end Trump just used an executive order to send out more money because so much was trying to be added to the bill and they couldn't get agreement in the senate when the important part was getting something out there to help people.
the "The right are abandoning their principals for Trump".
Which looking at it seems like a solid argument. Until you realise those principals and positions are ones that were hated on.
Trump is NOT the typical right winger based on the USAs history so all the attacks on Trump (when lets be real he's far less hardline and extreme than a lot of republicans) for how awful and apocalyptic he will be come off false or worse as more serious attacks on fundamentalists because in a lot of ways they are more extreme. So attack Trump drives their determination to fight back more because they see the claims of how extreme Trump is as false and see rhetoric from Left wingers about how red states don't matter and flyover states should die and how it's the fault of people living in said states for not moving. Some people were trained and have jobs there and families there so it's not so easy.
Trump isn't eloquent but often he's misquoted and you either have to be on Trump's level or be able to look at what was said and try to be fair to Trump and not look for the most malicious interpretation of his claims. Which added to the social media age where blind hate and making people out to be monsters gets easy clicks it's easy to fall into that Trap.
It's funny to me really as some of Trump's positions were Obama esc like reducing the national debt (seriously look back Romney tried to play off debt as not a big issue)
I'm sure there's more like stuff on about China.
The problem is vs Trump that Obama was a step forward. Clinton was a leap backwards and Biden seems like a tiny step back towards Obama. It's like the parties are coming closer and closer to meeting in the middle or even passing one another.
At this stage Trump could give an arbitrary token gesture on healthcare, lets say he makes Ambulances to hospital for serious or lifelong conditions (Like Epilepsy) free. Suddenly he's basically done more seemingly than Biden has said he's willing to. That mere token gesture could do huge things. I mean Trump probably won't but that's how easy this race would be.
The claim is the democrat party isn't fighting itself yet with a senate majority it couldn't pass a bill to help bail out people struggling due to Covid-19 and in the end Trump just used an executive order to send out more money because so much was trying to be added to the bill and they couldn't get agreement in the senate when the important part was getting something out there to help people.
When did we come to the conclusion that the worst and most defining thing about fascists was their lack of respect for free speech and not having started the bloodiest war in human history? Fascists, while on the rise, tend to fetishize free speech and bring it up all the time, same with any other ideology outside of what is politically acceptable at the moment as it’s just pragmatic for them to do so. An aversion to “civil discourse” or free speech is not at all a signifier of fascist ideology.
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