Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

[Asita]

So, anyone fancy weighing in if this is true or not?

Considering that it comes shortly after Hope Hicks tested positive? And that the White House physician confirmed it? And his past approach to health (eg, dicating that his physician declare him the "healthiest President ever")? I'd say there's a good chunk of circumstantial evidence to corroborate it. I think the better question is whether or not it'll finally get him to stop trying to bluster the disease away.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Ah, yes. SOME Mexicans might be good. So much better.

1. I'd agree with that. Doesn't mean that Trump's new one doesn't sound like a terrible idea. His utter nonsense around Kaepernick shows he doesn't freedom. At all. But then, Ive noticed that the US tends to speak a lot about Freedom but have no follow through.
2. What history is being removed? Because all I've seen is that more history is being highlighted. More than one perspective is allowed to be listened to (you know, because anything other than the narrative is bad, I wonder if )... which doesn't paint certain people in the good light that they used to be in. Because it wasn't history, it was a myth. Are you talking about myths being removed? Like, the Proud Boys chant talks about how White people created society ... that's a absolute myth that needs to die.
3. Evidence for the ' beholden to the crimes of their ancestors.' The problem was that way too many people think slavery was good for the blacks at the time, still today. Spencer, Shapiro, Bannon and McGinnes have said this. 'They're way better off now.' For example, it would have been heaps better if was indentured servitude like most other races. Another myth that needs to die

1) With the Kaepernick thing it can go both ways and I'm not a fan of it because questions will be asked when other protests are refused or should be especially when it comes to other sports too. You say "Hey protest away" and the question has to be how far it goes before the platform ends up either just another venue for politics or ends up in a huge scandal because a cause was promoted that people didn't like. It's pushing the idea of "No neutrality allowed" on certain topics and people either all engage or will be bombarded by more and more people to pick a side. People should be allowed to choose to engage with politics or not and honestly the Sports field probably not the best place to do it. I mean literally Fifa have a no politics rule they really strongly enforce because turns out when you don't say no politics you get countries trying to settle old scores and take jabs at one another using Football as the platform. It's not denying Freedom to say keep the politics to social media or interviews etc.

2)

Chicago-Area Leaders Call for Illinois to Abolish History Classes

Leaders in education, politics and other areas gathered in suburban Evanston Sunday to ask that the Illinois State Board of Education change the history curriculum at schools statewide, and temporarily halt instruction until an alternative is decided upon. At a news conference, State Rep...

www.nbcchicago.com

3) I mean this is a hard one. Overall bad however: The degree of bad can vary and different points there are vastly different degrees of bad. So while some estates were monsters it's possible other estates treated the slaves as basically members of the family almost (just unpaid ones). One of the big thing people tend to leave out is how the Civil War was bringing freedom but that freedom in some cases was to starve to death if they stayed or end up as porters who only got fed sometime if there was enough food left over and were second class citizens which second class treatment carried for a long time after. As for are people better off now....... well yes, they still have issues but some countries really wouldn't give people alive today the standard of life they get in the USA, would it be better if the better today wasn't build on the horrors of the past? Certainly.

And they HAVEN'T done that, so, yay?

Part of the argument here was AntiFa is Jewish or at least representative of them.

When did Antifa ever say they were representation of Jewish people at all? They simply said they were going to fight Nazis to protect Jews and others from them. Not that they represent Jewish people, quit making false equivalencies. They simply believe that Nazis will not be stopped by passive means and that Nazi's have to be stopped with violence to stop their violence. No where does that say " they represent Jews or all Jews" so even suggesting such is stupid.

You are really having to stretch to try and defend any of this. DO you have some reason you feel the need to defend the Proud boys and their bigoted racist BS? It is entertaining though to watch the mental gymnastics people will go through to pretend like they are some how not racist, sexist, bigots. Most once looking through the actions of their founders and their actual members don't even bother considering.

They didn't the argument was presented in this topic that hating AntiFA was automatically anti-semitic.


The reason is simple. Reality > Rhetoric and I'm pulling at strand after strand and watching claims unravel. Hate the reality not the rhetoric.

Hate the Covington kids for their beliefs not for the false claims they aggressively approach and targeted people when in reality they were just at the end of a field trip waiting there.....

 

[lil devils x]

1) With the Kaepernick thing it can go both ways and I'm not a fan of it because questions will be asked when other protests are refused or should be especially when it comes to other sports too. You say "Hey protest away" and the question has to be how far it goes before the platform ends up either just another venue for politics or ends up in a huge scandal because a cause was promoted that people didn't like. It's pushing the idea of "No neutrality allowed" on certain topics and people either all engage or will be bombarded by more and more people to pick a side. People should be allowed to choose to engage with politics or not and honestly the Sports field probably not the best place to do it. I mean literally Fifa have a no politics rule they really strongly enforce because turns out when you don't say no politics you get countries trying to settle old scores and take jabs at one another using Football as the platform. It's not denying Freedom to say keep the politics to social media or interviews etc.

2)

Chicago-Area Leaders Call for Illinois to Abolish History Classes

Leaders in education, politics and other areas gathered in suburban Evanston Sunday to ask that the Illinois State Board of Education change the history curriculum at schools statewide, and temporarily halt instruction until an alternative is decided upon. At a news conference, State Rep...

www.nbcchicago.com

3) I mean this is a hard one. Overall bad however: The degree of bad can vary and different points there are vastly different degrees of bad. So while some estates were monsters it's possible other estates treated the slaves as basically members of the family almost (just unpaid ones). One of the big thing people tend to leave out is how the Civil War was bringing freedom but that freedom in some cases was to starve to death if they stayed or end up as porters who only got fed sometime if there was enough food left over and were second class citizens which second class treatment carried for a long time after. As for are people better off now....... well yes, they still have issues but some countries really wouldn't give people alive today the standard of life they get in the USA, would it be better if the better today wasn't build on the horrors of the past? Certainly.



Part of the argument here was AntiFa is Jewish or at least representative of them.




They didn't the argument was presented in this topic that hating AntiFA was automatically anti-semitic.

No, the argument was that proud boys were racist bigots and that they formed in the first pace due to being a group of holocaust deniers and protecting holocaust deniers and you saying they only attacked Antifa meant they weren't because you didn't seem to understand that Antifa exist at all due to Jews and those protecting Jews saying " you have to get through me to get to the Jews". It is like you didn't understand that attacking Antifa doesn't make them any less racist or bigoted.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So, anyone fancy weighing in if this is true or not?

Which bit?

I can totally believe he got Covid-19 he's been doing rallies.

I can totally believe Melania has it because after the debates they did at least hug and spend some time close together.

I can also now believe that everyone connected to the debates probably should be tested too.

I don't see a major reason he'd lie about this one.

The only lie would be the idea they're going to get through it together cause you know he won't be allowed to stay at Trump Towers due to security concerns and she won't want to stay at The White House with him.

Good I hope the piece of shit dies.

Looks at Mike Pence
You really want him in charge?
Oh boy if you thought Trump was bad Pence is a more religious extreme more competent Trump based on everything I've seen

No, the argument was that proud boys were racist bigots and that they formed in the first pace due to being a group of holocaust deniers and protecting holocaust deniers and you saying they only attacked Antifa meant they weren't because you didn't seem to understand that Antifa exist at all due to Jews and those protecting Jews saying " you have to get through me to get to the Jews". It is like you didn't understand that attacking Antifa doesn't make them any less racist or bigoted.

And so far the evidence for those claims is apparently no more than a stale biscuit and a crumpled note saying "They totes are guv believe me".

Also no there is not evidence they formed because of being Holocaust deniers. I'll take a stab and say that's Stormfront.

Protecting Free Speech =/= supporting holocaust denialism as an idea.

Thing is modern AntiFA are far removed from any kind of original version at this stage and act far more like the supposed Brown Coats they claim to fight against.

It's like you don't understand just calling a group racist bigots without evidence doesn't work considering how much the term is thrown round and abused.

If you'd said Thugs looking to fight I'd have given it you. If you'd have said something like that I'd have given it you but the terms racist and bigot have been thrown round so much vs people with little to no evidence now you have to show some kind of solid evidence or it looks like just trying to spread lies to get an easy knee jerk reaction out of people who maybe aren't so used to sociopathic manipulation techniques.

 

[lil devils x]

Which bit?

I can totally believe he got Covid-19 he's been doing rallies.

I can totally believe Melania has it because after the debates they did at least hug and spend some time close together.

I can also now believe that everyone connected to the debates probably should be tested too.

I don't see a major reason he'd lie about this one.

The only lie would be the idea they're going to get through it together cause you know he won't be allowed to stay at Trump Towers due to security concerns and she won't want to stay at The White House with him.



Looks at Mike Pence
You really want him in charge?
Oh boy if you thought Trump was bad Pence is a more religious extreme more competent Trump based on everything I've seen


And so far the evidence for those claims is apparently no more than a stale biscuit and a crumpled note saying "They totes are guv believe me".

Also no there is not evidence they formed because of being Holocaust deniers. I'll take a stab and say that's Stormfront.

Protecting Free Speech =/= supporting holocaust denialism as an idea.

Thing is modern AntiFA are far removed from any kind of original version at this stage and act far more like the supposed Brown Coats they claim to fight against.

It's like you don't understand just calling a group racist bigots without evidence doesn't work considering how much the term is thrown round and abused.

If you'd said Thugs looking to fight I'd have given it you. If you'd have said something like that I'd have given it you but the terms racist and bigot have been thrown round so much vs people with little to no evidence now you have to show some kind of solid evidence or it looks like just trying to spread lies to get an easy knee jerk reaction out of people who maybe aren't so used to sociopathic manipulation techniques.

Scroll up, read the links. I provided you evidence, others provided you evidence then you act like you can't see it..

Evidence denial is a thing too.

 

[Dalisclock]

Um didn't Trump win like

$350M vs $1.1B last time?

Turnout will be massive this year?

Why?

Don was also running againest Hillary last time, who was loathed by pretty much everyone. You keep forgetting that. Hell, even Trump didn't even think he would win

Read the article. Early voting has already started and people are already showing interest(and returning ballots) in numbers unheard of in recent years. If you can't see how that indicates massive turnout brewing, I really don't know what to tell you.

The fact worst case some people were predicting didn't happen doesn't mean we're remotely happy about him running the country into the fucking ground.

200K Dead under his watch with scant evidence he fucking cares, when he's not actively undermining efforts to fight or contain it.
Trillions in debt aquired. You know, what the GOP claims they care about?
A recession with millions out of work who weren't a year ago and many becoming homeless as we speak.
Racial and Social tensions at an all time high.
Our allies think we've abandoned them(Well, the Kurds know we've abandoned them) or gone mad.
Climate change is getting worse and he's rolling back environmentalist protection laws to help Coal and Oil.
Continued attacks on the concept of free and fair elections(like the ability to say he will accept the result of the election, even if it doesn't benefit him or telling people to go "Watch the polls", no doubt carrying guns)
Emboldening racists and hate groups with his words and actions.

That's not even getting into all the other shitty stuff he's been doing this entire time(which honestly could take hours), or the fact he's a racist, sexist authoritarian waste of a human being and in charge of the one most transparently corrupt administrations in a long fucking time.

If you can't see why people aren't fucking pissed about all of this or can't see it yourself.....I seriously don't know what to tell you.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Just a lot of talk of hating bankers being a dogwhistle used to talk about hating Jewish people by those on the left

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This is not an answer. I asked you why you thought this was relevant:

Strange cause a lot of AntiFA seem to be very Anti-Israel.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Scroll up, read the links. I provided you evidence, others provided you evidence then you act like you can't see it..

Evidence denial is a thing too.

No they showed 1 guy whose no longer anything to do with the group one said some things that could be interpreted as anti-semitic...........How is that evidence of racism in the group again?

I'm not even a fucking Christian you fool.

Don was also running againest Hillary last time, who was loathed by pretty much everyone. You keep forgetting that. Hell, even Trump didn't even think he would win

And yet she had far more hardcore support and the whole "She was loathed by everyone" is false when you have stuff like Nerds 4 Her and the kind of hilarious Wesintein arranged Hollywood push for her.

Read the article. Early voting has already started and people are already showing interest(and returning ballots) in numbers unheard of in recent years. If you can't see how that indicates massive turnout brewing, I really don't know what to tell you.

Which could go either way.

The fact worst case some people were predicting didn't happen doesn't mean we're remotely happy about him running the country into the fucking ground.

No but it does suggest the scare tactics will be less effective this time.

200K Dead under his watch with scant evidence he fucking cares, when he's not actively undermining efforts to fight or contain it.

I wonder how Deblasio enjoyed those New York Street festivals he encouraged people to attend saying there was no risk........

Trump can only do so much the rest would be local legislators.

Trillions in debt aquired. You know, what the GOP claims they care about?

Literal Global Pandemic

A recession with millions out of work who weren't a year ago and many becoming homeless as we speak.

Literal Global pandemic

Racial and Social tensions at an all time high.

Ill give you that one but it won't die down with Kamala as vice president.

Our allies think we've abandoned them(Well, the Kurds know we've abandoned them) or gone mad.

I mean you have a point but is there seriously that much desire to be in another war of some kind?

Climate change is getting worse and he's rolling back environmentalist protection laws to help Coal and Oil.

yeh I'll give you that one, though Biden has rejected the Green New Deal in favour of something else as is

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Continued attacks on the concept of free and fair elections(like the ability to say he will accept the result of the election, even if it doesn't benefit him or telling people to go "Watch the polls", no doubt carrying guns)

I mean refusing to accept the result when it's initially announced if it's contested could make more sense

Emboldening racists and hate groups with his words and actions.

man of whom now was to kill cops because "ACAB!!!!!!!"

That's not even getting into all the other shitty stuff he's been doing this entire time(which honestly could take hours), or the fact he's a racist, sexist authoritarian waste of a human being and in charge of the one most transparently corrupt administrations in a long fucking time.

If you can't see why people aren't fucking pissed about all of this or can't see it yourself.....I seriously don't know what to tell you.

Joe Biden has been accused of rape.

People are pissed cause the cover has come off what's been going on all along mostly.

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This is not an answer. I asked you why you thought this was relevant:

And I gave a far larger answer, stop complaining to be when people bring up tangents and I decided to play the game and cut off the tanget.

 

[lil devils x]

I mean refusing to accept the result when it's initially announced if it's contested could make more sense


man of whom now was to kill cops because "ACAB!!!!!!!"


Joe Biden has been accused of rape.

People are pissed cause the cover has come off what's been going on all along mostly.





And I gave a far larger answer, stop complaining to be when people bring up tangents and I decided to play the game and cut off the tanget.

DO you think ignoring evidence is reserved for Christians? It applies regardless. You should have kept reading what was supplied above. The title was not all there was to it. The other people defending holocaust deniers were ALSO proud boys FYI.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

DO you think ignoring evidence is reserved for Christians? It applies regardless. You should have kept reading what was supplied above. The title was not all there was to it. The other people defending holocaust deniers were ALSO proud boys FYI.

Morons come in all shapes and sizes.

Tell me again how that's evidence they are racists..............................

 

[lil devils x]

Morons come in all shapes and sizes.

Tell me again how that's evidence they are racists..............................

So you are saying holocaust deniers aren't racist now? LMAO
Like okay lets deny us some holocaust and go fight the Jews defenders and nah.. we aren't racist bigots. Mhmmm

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So you are saying holocaust deniers aren't racist now? LMAO
Like okay lets deny us some holocaust and go fight the Jews defenders and nah.. we aren't racist bigots. Mhmmm

Seems like just an assumption they would be rather than a hard like. I mean I'm sure there's some black holocaust deniers too. Hell there's definitely some Asian ones

 

[lil devils x]

Seems like just an assumption they would be rather than a hard like. I mean I'm sure there's some black holocaust deniers too. Hell there's definitely some Asian ones

It isn't an assumption, how about what they have said about Muslims and immigrants as well? They are just all around bigots.

Synonyms for chauvinist:
jingoistic

chauvinistic
excessively patriotic
excessively nationalistic
sectarian
isolationist
flag-waving
xenophobic
racist
racialist
ethnocentric
partisan
partial
prejudiced
biased
discriminating
discriminatory
intolerant
bigoted
sexist
male chauvinist
misogynist
woman-hating
anti-feminist
male supremacist

Oh wait they are synonyms for a reason.

 

[Seanchaidh]

And I gave a far larger answer, stop complaining to be when people bring up tangents and I decided to play the game and cut off the tanget.

You didn't answer the question at all.

 

[stroopwafel]

Historic examples? The KKK is STILL HERE. They were at MY COURTHOUSE, We have them here with the Nazis as well as all these other white nationalists groups and militias. I receive their fliers on my door and car. Where do you live that you think this isn't still very much a problem? Does this look like it is " history" yet?

Yea, you see this? This is MY courthouse where I grew up and live right now. You think this ever stopped? It hasn't.
Don't give me BS about historic examples, My elementary school was raping hundreds of kids, beating and abusing MANY more, tying me to a chair and forcing me to read a bible was minor compared to what other members of my family and friends had done to them there. It isn't " fringe" it is systemic and ingrained in the US at all levels. The Moses textbooks are selected by Texas for schools across the US. Texas decides what goes in the textbooks for the nation.

"And when it comes to textbooks, what happens in Texas affects the nation as a whole. Texas is one of the nation's largest textbook markets because it is one of the few where the state decides what books schools can buy rather than leaving it up to local districts, which means publishers that get their books approved can count on millions of dollars in sales. Further, publishers craft their standard textbooks based on the requirements of the biggest buyers. As a result, the Texas board has the power to shape the textbooks that children around the country read for years to come"
https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/films/revisionaries/

Churches have been blocking evolution being taught in schools to millions of children:

I Was Never Taught Where Humans Came From

Many American students, myself included, never learn the human part of evolution.

www.theatlantic.com

Don't give me this BS about this ' being historical" THIS IS STILL HAPPENING.
Christians trying to overturn Roe Vs Wade are ALSO trying to impose their religion on everyone else as well. Christians trying to outlaw gay marriage? How is any of this not imposing their views onto others? It is BS and you know it is BS.
and no, private prisons started in 1984 in Tennessee, not by Clinton.

Christian fundamentalists have nothing in common with libertarians but both are considered 'the right'. It's why Trump fired Jeff Sessions but still placate the evangelical base with conservative justices. It's a strategic decision to gather as much votes as possible but that is different from the radicalist dogma that have taken over the entire left. Here you have Biden not even condemning a bunch of fucking thugs like Antifa.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

 

[Agema]

 

[lil devils x]

Christian fundamentalists have nothing in common with libertarians but both are considered 'the right'. It's why Trump fired Jeff Sessions but still placate the evangelical base with conservative justices. It's a strategic decision to gather as much votes as possible but that is different from the radicalist dogma that have taken over the entire left. Here you have Biden not even condemning a bunch of fucking thugs like Antifa.

How many people have Antifa Killed in the last decade in the US? How many people have right wing extremists killed in the last decade? Oh yea.

 

[stroopwafel]

How many people have Antifa Killed in the last decade in the US? How many people have right wing extremists killed in the last decade? Oh yea.

Again you are talking about fringe lunatics here. I have yet to still hear the 'moderate left' condemn Antifa.