Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

Who will win the election?

  • SleepyJoe

    Votes: 15 30.0%
  • Donald Trump

    Votes: 9 18.0%
  • It doesn't matter who wins, because we will all lose in some way.

    Votes: 26 52.0%

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Dwarvenhobble

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Yeah, fuck Nations. Nations suck.

Well there’s his book on how western society is descended from the twin cities of Jerusalem and Athens where he posits the fundamental necessity of a Christian west that also carries on the (fictional) values of Athenian Democracy. The book that’s basically his only actual work of political theory which basically boils down to fascist Hegelianism. Also his many fictional works which posit that cases of police shooting minors are all orchestrated by crack dealers, there’s an evil alliance between Sunni extremists and Iran to destroy America and hide Saddam’s actually real WMDs, all illegal immigrants are agents of the Cartels, and that white Obama is a Nazi. Not to mention the fascist aesthetics of his works of fiction, but I’ll skip that since it’d require you to a have a sense for that.
The president of Israel wrote stuff like that?

Really?

I can literally just mention their heavy presence at Charlottesville and Crimson posted a sufficient rant from their founder (McInnes was still involved with them at the time and arguably still is, he left for legal reasons). So yes, there’s evidence.

And I posted about a Democrat councilman's rant about Jewish weather control machines........


Aside from, y’know, the woman they killed in Charlottesville, the woman they paralyzed in Portland, the many assaults that Tiny is facing charges for, that video of Tiny beating the shit out of a guy in Seattle then stealing his phone, the people Joe Riggs has assaulted including the journalist whose hand he broke with a baton before hitting him with a shield, etc, yeah, the Proud Boys have never assaulted anyone.

In other words, shut up.
Didn't say they'd never assaulted anyone.

I said they tend to stop sooner and not aim for maiming.

Oh and as for "Shut up"

 
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It's funny to me really as some of Trump's positions were Obama esc like reducing the national debt (seriously look back Romney tried to play off debt as not a big issue)
I don’t care about the rest of your post because it just transparently sucks and isn’t worth the time, but literally the first General Election campaign ad Romney ran was about the national debt. That was his entire election pitch.
 

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When did we come to the conclusion that the worst and most defining thing about fascists was their lack of respect for free speech and not having started the bloodiest war in human history? Fascists, while on the rise, tend to fetishize free speech and bring it up all the time, same with any other ideology outside of what is politically acceptable at the moment as it’s just pragmatic for them to do so. An aversion to “civil discourse” or free speech is not at all a signifier of fascist ideology.
Oddly not while on their rise to power the Nazis (along with a major political ally) was very much known to silence stories in the press. Hell part of the Brown Shirts thing was shutting down other peoples speech. They really didn't fetishise it as people seem to frame it.


"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled. Some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage." - Winston Churchill
 

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I don’t care about the rest of your post because it just transparently sucks and isn’t worth the time, but literally the first General Election campaign ad Romney ran was about the national debt. That was his entire election pitch.
yet it was Obama who seemed to bring it up most and treat it more seriously.
 

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The president of Israel wrote stuff like that?

Really?
Did you confuse Benjamin Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro?


And I posted about a Democrat councilman's rant about Jewish weather control machines........
Yeah fuck that guy but it’s irrelevant whataboutism.

Didn't say they'd never assaulted anyone.

I said they tend to stop sooner and not aim for maiming.

Oh and as for "Shut up"
Except for the intentional killing and maiming. Your argument is purely aesthetic at this point.
 

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Oddly not while on their rise to power the Nazis (along with a major political ally) was very much known to silence stories in the press. Hell part of the Brown Shirts thing was shutting down other peoples speech. They really didn't fetishise it as people seem to frame it.
Hitler ran newspaper ads about how he was being silenced and used his own trial and imprisonment to argue that he was being oppressed. Ahistorical bullshit.
yet it was Obama who seemed to bring it up most and treat it more seriously.
Bullshit, it was every fucking day on Republican news. Every day. It was core to Romney’s platform to the point it was literally the first issue he brought up. You’re wrong.
 
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Dwarvenhobble

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Did you confuse Benjamin Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro?
Well as you didn't specifically say who and we were talking about multiple people I went with the one most recently mentioned.


Yeah fuck that guy but it’s irrelevant whataboutism.
So is almost the entire tangent about how AntiFA contains more Jewish members. Not least because it can't be proved,

More so because as people keep saying AntiFA isn't a group so it doesn't have more members of anything lol. Unless it is now a group?

Except for the intentional killing and maiming. Your argument is purely aesthetic at this point.
I dunno trying to smack a guys head against the pavement when he's just sitting there and trying to punt kick him vs the guy pleading on his knees seeing people basically leave him alone at that point it's a bit of a difference.


Hitler ran newspaper ads about how he was being silenced and used his own trial and imprisonment to argue that he was being oppressed. Ahistorical bullshit.
I refer again to the Churchill quote and how things like events with Daryl Davis talking have faced threats from apparent AntiFA groups trying to shut them down.

Bullshit, it was every fucking day on Republican news. Every day. It was core to Romney’s platform to the point it was literally the first issue he brought up. You’re wrong.
yet it was Obama who brought it up and tackled it during the debates.....
 

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Well as you didn't specifically say who and we were talking about multiple people I went with the one most recently mentioned.
I never mentioned Netanyahu you just think all Jewish Bens are the same.

So is almost the entire tangent about how AntiFA contains more Jewish members. Not least because it can't be proved,

More so because as people keep saying AntiFA isn't a group so it doesn't have more members of anything lol. Unless it is now a group?
I don’t care about that argument I care about you saying Proud Boys aren’t anti-Semitic which is a fucking lie.
I dunno trying to smack a guys head against the pavement when he's just sitting there and trying to punt kick him vs the guy pleading on his knees seeing people basically leave him alone at that point it's a bit of a difference.
No victim I mentioned started their fight or even fucking fought back at all so wow I guess your argument still has zero substance genius.

I refer again to the Churchill quote and how things like events with Daryl Davis talking have faced threats from apparent AntiFA groups trying to shut them down.
Cool I was talking about Fascism.

yet it was Obama who brought it up and tackled it during the debates.....
So did Romney. Stop positing a false narrative of politics where actual human beings care about the deficit rather than just Koch funded lizards.
 

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I never mentioned Netanyahu you just think all Jewish Bens are the same.
Well I had been talking about Israel at the time...........

I don’t care about that argument I care about you saying Proud Boys aren’t anti-Semitic which is a fucking lie.
Then you need to prove it otherwise I can claim said Democrat council is anti-semitic just the same

No victim I mentioned started their fight or even fucking fought back at all so wow I guess your argument still has zero substance genius.
The 2 you mentioned.

Do you want the play the numbers game here really?

Cool I was talking about Fascism.
Ah yes Churchill the fascist according to you lol

So did Romney. Stop positing a false narrative of politics where actual human beings care about the deficit rather than just Koch funded lizards.
Obama was the one seen to address it better.
 

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Well I had been talking about Israel at the time...........
No, the whole point of that section was Shapiro and you were the first to bring him up.
Then you need to prove it otherwise I can claim said Democrat council is anti-semitic just the same
This is cyclical and was already done.
The 2 you mentioned.


Do you want the play the numbers game here really?
I mentioned four and no because you clearly can’t count.
Ah yes Churchill the fascist according to you lol
Yes. Have you read his thoughts on Indians?
Obama was the one seen to address it better.
In your opinion.

In any case, I’ve made enough of a fool of you, gonna play some CK3.
 
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No, the whole point of that section was Shapiro and you were the first to bring him up.
I had also brought up other things in that post too.......

This is cyclical and was already done.
yes it is. I'm outside pointing out the cylinder.........

I mentioned four and no because you clearly can’t count.
well 1 was a death
1 yeh that's maiming

The other two I mean, you really consider those that brutal when the AntiFa guys walked away mostly fine and didn't need hospital treatment?

The numbers game you won't play because you know in the end you'd lose lol

Yes. Have you read his thoughts on Indians?
Yes. Have you read his later comments years on about how he admitted to being wrong in said claims? I'm guessing no even though the BBC pointed them out this year lol

In your opinion.

In any case, I’ve made enough of a fool of you, gonna play some CK3.
Based on what I saw yeh........
Enjoy pillaging the holy land or whatever you're up to on CK3 lol
 

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So the Jewish people aren't a monolith on either side then so AntiFA can't claim to be the sole representation of jewish people.
When did Antifa ever say they were representation of Jewish people at all? They simply said they were going to fight Nazis to protect Jews and others from them. Not that they represent Jewish people, quit making false equivalencies. They simply believe that Nazis will not be stopped by passive means and that Nazi's have to be stopped with violence to stop their violence. No where does that say " they represent Jews or all Jews" so even suggesting such is stupid.

You are really having to stretch to try and defend any of this. DO you have some reason you feel the need to defend the Proud boys and their bigoted racist BS? It is entertaining though to watch the mental gymnastics people will go through to pretend like they are some how not racist, sexist, bigots. Most once looking through the actions of their founders and their actual members don't even bother considering.
 

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Specifically Trump said some Mexicans and those make up a large portion of those coming to the USA illegally.

He never specifically said all Mexicans are rapists that's a false claim.

As for "Patriotic learning"

1) The USA already has it to an extent anyway.

2) It's better than the push to remove all history education that's being going on.

3) It would still likely be better than pushing the idea that everyone is beholden to the crimes of their ancestors because otherwise it leads to stupid stuff like bloodline purges and punishments were the act of a relative results in you also being punished. IF the patriotic education portrays the USA as a multicultural society where everyone can make it no matter where they come from then it may actually help things thanks to the psychological idea of the Pygmaolian Effect.
Ah, yes. SOME Mexicans might be good. So much better.

1. I'd agree with that. Doesn't mean that Trump's new one doesn't sound like a terrible idea. His utter nonsense around Kaepernick shows he doesn't freedom. At all. But then, Ive noticed that the US tends to speak a lot about Freedom but have no follow through.
2. What history is being removed? Because all I've seen is that more history is being highlighted. More than one perspective is allowed to be listened to (you know, because anything other than the narrative is bad, I wonder if )... which doesn't paint certain people in the good light that they used to be in. Because it wasn't history, it was a myth. Are you talking about myths being removed? Like, the Proud Boys chant talks about how White people created society ... that's a absolute myth that needs to die.
3. Evidence for the ' beholden to the crimes of their ancestors.' The problem was that way too many people think slavery was good for the blacks at the time, still today. Spencer, Shapiro, Bannon and McGinnes have said this. 'They're way better off now.' For example, it would have been heaps better if was indentured servitude like most other races. Another myth that needs to die
 
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