Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

[SupahEwok]

If his fans want to be infected then so be it. Might as well cancel the presidential debates since he doesn't want to cooperate and doesn't want to show "weakness". Not even Chinese dictators are this obssessed with public image.

*shrug* if they're dead or in the hospital, they aren't voting. That's their problem, as being part of the Party of Personal Responsibility.

 

[Agema]

I contend that your attempt to illustrate his lies is to post someone else's even bigger lies.

You and Houseman are squirming and wriggling to evade having to admit the fact that the president is utterly dishonest, lies and cheats as easily as he speaks. First you call the opposition liars; then when the media suggest Trump is the worst liar, call the media liars. Then when the independent fact-checker research shows Trump lies all the time, call the fact checkers liars.

This is just a scorched earth campaign you're pulling: as your favoured candidate is so dishonest, burn down honesty.

 

[Seanchaidh]

You and Houseman are squirming and wriggling to evade having to admit the fact that the president is utterly dishonest, lies and cheats as easily as he speaks. First you call the opposition liars; then when the media suggest Trump is the worst liar, call the media liars. Then when the independent fact-checker research shows Trump lies all the time, call the fact checkers liars.

This is just a scorched earth campaign you're pulling: as your favoured candidate is so dishonest, burn down honesty.

We have a lot of, umm, error in the United States going on right now when it comes to major media. And many "fact checkers" being pretty shit.


Much of the capitalist press is overtly critical of Trump, but usually in ways that don't or shouldn't matter to anyone who doesn't own lots of shares in munitions companies or, which is perhaps even worse, just empty xenophobic innuendo gesturing at supposed treason. At the same time, the major media often likes to promote a 'both sides' narrative whenever anything a Republican does is bad or silly. That includes Trump. https://fair.org/home/both-sides-ing-bleach-injection/

So it's pretty easy for a narrative that "Trump is actually honest, it's just everyone else who lies" to take hold among people predisposed to that view because the loudest voices in the capitalist press really do suck at their purported jobs.

 

[Shadyside]

 

[SupahEwok]

We have a lot of, umm, error in the United States going on right now when it comes to major media. And many "fact checkers" being pretty shit.


Much of the capitalist press is overtly critical of Trump, but usually in ways that don't or shouldn't matter to anyone who doesn't own lots of shares in munitions companies or, which is perhaps even worse, just empty xenophobic innuendo gesturing at supposed treason. At the same time, the major media often likes to promote a 'both sides' narrative whenever anything a Republican does is bad or silly. That includes Trump. https://fair.org/home/both-sides-ing-bleach-injection/

So it's pretty easy for a narrative that "Trump is actually honest, it's just everyone else who lies" to take hold among people predisposed to that view because the loudest voices in the capitalist press really do suck at their purported jobs.

What can you expect when the source of the most popular news articles are tweets?

 

[Seanchaidh]

What can you expect when the source of the most popular news articles are tweets?

Real investigative journalism isn't terribly profitable, unfortunately. Just report on things people can already look at themselves because it costs virtually nothing.

 

[tstorm823]

You and Houseman are squirming and wriggling to evade having to admit the fact that the president is utterly dishonest, lies and cheats as easily as he speaks. First you call the opposition liars; then when the media suggest Trump is the worst liar, call the media liars. Then when the independent fact-checker research shows Trump lies all the time, call the fact checkers liars.

This is just a scorched earth campaign you're pulling: as your favoured candidate is so dishonest, burn down honesty.

The media are liars.
The "fact-checkers" are liars.
These things are totally independent of Trump being a liar, until you start using these known liars' word as your evidence. I know you're perfectly capable of naming lies by Donald Trump without slapping up a charrt of times CNN or WaPo disagreed with him. Hell, I named 2 or 3 Trump lies while defending him from that "fact check". It's not difficult to say Trump lies, nor is it difficult to find some. But it also shouldn't be difficult to recognize when a piece of media has no interest in establishing or explaining facts, and exists only to actively pursue disagreement with a political entity.

 

[Houseman]

and exists only to actively pursue disagreement with a political entity.

In another thread, such a thing was called voter surpression.

 

[SilentPony]

You and Houseman are squirming and wriggling to evade having to admit the fact that the president is utterly dishonest, lies and cheats as easily as he speaks. First you call the opposition liars; then when the media suggest Trump is the worst liar, call the media liars. Then when the independent fact-checker research shows Trump lies all the time, call the fact checkers liars.

This is just a scorched earth campaign you're pulling: as your favoured candidate is so dishonest, burn down honesty.

Always remember that reality has a well known liberal bias.

 

[Agema]

The media are liars.
The "fact-checkers" are liars.

They certainly get things wrong, and can misrepresent, whether intentionally or accidentally. But they are mostly "liars" in the sense of empty and superficial counter-accusation to deflect from the utter dishonesty of president Trump, because then - as you have been doing - you can try to skip over the fact he cheats and lies all the time, without compunction, hesitation or twinge of conscience.

 

[SilentPony]

They certainly get things wrong, and can misrepresent, whether intentionally or accidentally. But they are mostly "liars" in the sense of empty and superficial counter-accusation to deflect from the utter dishonesty of president Trump, because then - as you have been doing - you can try to skip over the fact he cheats and lies all the time, without compunction, hesitation or twinge of conscience.

There's not point in debating them. If someone at this point still thinks Trump is a beacon of honesty, then they're too far gone to save. They're in the cult.

 

[Houseman]

There's not point in debating them. If someone at this point still thinks Trump is a beacon of honesty, then they're too far gone to save. They're in the cult.

And all I said was "I don't trust the media".

I guess stating such a thing causes you to fail the ideological purity test.

 

[Agema]

And all I said was "I don't trust the media".

 

[SilentPony]

And all I said was "I don't trust the media".

I guess stating such a thing causes you to fail the ideological purity test.

Do you trust the President?

 

[Shadyside]

 

[Houseman]

Do you trust the President?

No.

 

[tstorm823]

They certainly get things wrong, and can misrepresent, whether intentionally or accidentally. But they are mostly "liars" in the sense of empty and superficial counter-accusation to deflect from the utter dishonesty of president Trump, because then - as you have been doing - you can try to skip over the fact he cheats and lies all the time, without compunction, hesitation or twinge of conscience.

No.

Like... no.

The media isn't only called "liars" to deflect from Trump being a liar. They are liars. They were liars before Donald Trump was born. They'll be liars when he's dead. There is no shortage of Mark Twain quotes disparaging newspapers.

"The old saw says, "Let sleeping dogs lie." Right. Still when there is much at stake it is better to get a newspaper to do it."

Much as I was accused just a few posts ago of believing one person just because they lie less than another, you are disregarding centuries old traditions of misinformation because at this particular moment, you resent the person being lied about enough to ignore it all.

 

[Shadyside]

 

[Revnak]

No.

Like... no.

The media isn't only called "liars" to deflect from Trump being a liar. They are liars. They were liars before Donald Trump was born. They'll be liars when he's dead. There is no shortage of Mark Twain quotes disparaging newspapers.

"The old saw says, "Let sleeping dogs lie." Right. Still when there is much at stake it is better to get a newspaper to do it."

Much as I was accused just a few posts ago of believing one person just because they lie less than another, you are disregarding centuries old traditions of misinformation because at this particular moment, you resent the person being lied about enough to ignore it all.

The only security of all is in a free press. The force of public opinion cannot be resisted when permitted freely to be expressed. The agitation it produces must be submitted to. It is necessary, to keep the waters pure.

 

[SilentPony]

So apparently Trump is calling on Bar to indict Biden on "the greatest political crime in the history of our country." 'cause that's not a totalitarian thing to do, arrest your opponent during an election.

Also I just remembered Biden has a secret service detail. The secret service report to Donald Trump. He has men with guns who follow his orders to the letter around Joe Biden at all times. What was it? Execute order 66.