Biden v. Trump Election Mega Thread

[ObsidianJones]

Al Gore and his fighting climate change position being one.

Obama on about time for change

Thanks for Humoring me

Joe Biden: Where does he stand on key issues?

Where does the Democratic president-elect stand on key issues?

www.bbc.com

The Coronavirus and the Handling of it

Joe Biden’s Plan to Beat COVID-19 - Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

Today, the trajectory of COVID-19 in America is headed in the wrong direction. In some parts of the country, the test positivity rate is climbing, hospitalizations are sky-rocketing, and testing sites are overwhelmed. Donald Trump’s catastrophic failures of governance have led to tens of...

joebiden.com

Joe Biden’s plan to beat the coronavirus

Donald Trump botched America’s Covid-19 response. Joe Biden thinks he has a plan to fix it.

www.vox.com

Biden campaign flips COVID-19 threat into new Trump contrast

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Confronted with its first known coronavirus scare, Joe Biden’s presidential campaign turned the threat into another contrast with President Donald Trump in the closing weeks of a general election battle dominated by how the Republican incumbent has handled the pandemic and hi

apnews.com

Economy

Build Back Better: Joe Biden’s Jobs and Economic Recovery Plan for Working Families - Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

Joe Biden believes to his core that there’s no greater economic engine in the world than the hard work and ingenuity of the American people. Nobody has more respect for the working women and men who get up every day to build and sustain this country, or more confidence that they can meet the...

joebiden.com

Opinion | Biden’s Tax Plan Would Spur Economic Growth

Wealth would be shared more broadly, and even free-marketeers see the benefit of more revenue.

www.wsj.com

Climate Change and the Environment

Plan for Climate Change and Environmental Justice | Joe Biden

Joe Biden knows climate change is the greatest threat facing our country and our world, and he has a bold plan for a clean energy revolution.

joebiden.com

Biden puts climate change at center of his campaign. Here's what it could mean for Indiana.

Biden wants a carbon free power sector by 2035, while Indiana predominantly runs on coal. Here is what Biden's climate plan could mean for the state.

www.indystar.com

California officials see boon in Biden's climate plan

Biden plans to use California as a template for a frenzy of advancements in clean energy and environmental justice. The state would reap big benefits.

www.latimes.com

None of this was hidden. These are the same points he has been hammering over and over again.

But if you're just looking for his slogan? It's Build Back Better. What does that mean? All the things I linked to. His positions were made clear. America is hurting now.

Trump lost jobs

September job growth slowed significantly from the revised 1.5 million jobs added in August.

And even though the economy added back more than 1 million jobs every month between May and August, the country is still down 10.7 million jobs since February, before Covid-19 hit.

Trump fractures the American Union for political gain

“There’s a reason why he says what he says the way he says it, because it still has resonance,” Michael Steele, a former Republican National Committee chairman, told the MSNBC network on Monday. “It still has appeal to a significant number of white Americans in cities, in suburbs, in rural parts of our country. So this is going to require a lot more effort to pull out that vote that Joe Biden is going to need versus what a Trump is going to need.”

On the eve of independence day, Trump staged a jamboree at Mount Rushmore, which depicts images of presidents George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, both of whom owned slaves, as well as Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt. He railed against “far-left fascism” that he claimed wants to desecrate such monuments, earning cheers from an overwhelmingly white crowd in the Black Hills of South Dakota

Steele added: “I’m sceptical that this is going to be a big win for Joe, or a cakewalk in any way, because the president knows what he’s doing. He does what he does and says when he says the way he does it for a reason, because he knows at his core there’s appeal.

And we're not even talking about how Trump directly used this four years to increase his wealth.

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.

www.opensecrets.org

Being anti-harmful thing is as much of a platform than anyone ever needs. It's literally the only thing Republicans usually say when they are running. The horrible Left has turned this into an America that isn't yours. Isn't that bad? Isn't that unnatural? Isn't that hateful? Vote for me. I'm against that and I'll make sure it will change.

Hell, that was the platform Trump used to get in. Anti-Politician. Anti-Obama. Why is it suddenly not valid when it's applied to the first Orange American?

Whether you believe them or trust them isn't the same thing as him not stating his platform. He has clearly done so numerous times.

 

[Trunkage]

How Hatred Came To Dominate American Politics

To anyone following American politics, it’s not exactly news that Democrats and Republicans don’t like each other. Take what happened in the presidential debate…

fivethirtyeight.com

^Points out how it's not about what ones groups position actually is just painting the other group as the enemy.

This election really shows it. To a lesser extend 2016 showed it too.

This election Biden really hasn't set clear positions, but nor has Trump either.

in 2016 Trump had obvious clear stances and positions on stuff. Hillary gave you the option of 5 second audio bites or saying "Well if you wanted to know my policy on X why didn't you read the 75-200 page document I put out just on this single policy which was one among many"

Yeah, I think this has got way more to do with 1. The US government losing control over media. 2. The previous society that was propagated was a façade. It started breaking as soon as the control was gone. 3. The Soviets not being the big bad to blame. 4. Identity politics of the late 70s (eg. Christians becoming anti-abortion) starting rearing their head through very specific people who wanted to manipulate the GOP into a certain path. 5. Punishments not sticking. Everyone saw what happened to Nixon and have been trying to inoculate themselves from the normal feedback loops. Bill Clinton probably broke a lot of things there.

Al Gore and his fighting climate change position being one.

Al Gore fighting climate change was ridiculous considering how many people he locked up and called eco-terrorists. He is one of the people responsible for the current mess we are in

 

[Gergar12]

Why do you think I was saying it is more difficult for us to open more rare earth mines in the US? The one we have keeps contaminating everything as it is, and look at the map above to where the rare earth minerals are.

EPA fines San Bernardino County’s Molycorp $27,300

MOUNTAIN PASS >> The federal Environmental Protection Agency on Monday ordered Colorado-based Molycorp Minerals LLC to pay a $27,300 fine for improper management of hazardous wastes that cont…

www.sbsun.com

Desert Lands Contaminated by Toxic Spills

Environment: Radioactive waste from mine pipeline that broke last summer could threaten endangered species and visitors to Mojave National Preserve, officials say.

www.latimes.com

https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0322/ML032240079.pdf

The collapse of American rare earth mining — and lessons learned

In this commentary, a reader argues it's the U.S. government’s responsibility to set the stage for increased American rare earth production.

www.defensenews.com

Big pollution risk seen in rare-earth mining

Pulling rare-earth elements from deep underground carries the potential for big financial rewards - and big environmental risks.

tucson.com

http://www.eurare.org/docs/internalGuidanceReport.pdf

China created the largest Solar farm in the world so that they WILL be able to shift off of coal. They are taking the steps necessary to being able to shut the coal plants down when they build enough supplemental power.

World’s largest solar plant goes online in China

Huanghe Hydropower Development has connected a 2.2 GW solar plant to the grid in the desert in China’s remote Qinghai province. The project is backed by 202.8 MW/MWh of storage.

www.pv-magazine.com

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China Builds the World's Largest Floating Solar Farm

How China, home to some of the world’s worst air pollution, floated to the top in solar

time.com

We DO buy things from other countries, just not all other countries have everything we can buy from China. The other nations are not the size or have the ability to produce everything we buy from China. That is a primary issue here. People in the US already cannot afford basic necessities, they cannot afford price increases. If we fail to address the actual economic issues in the US first, making any changes that will increase the cost of living and lower standard of living isn't feasible.

Anything that can be built in China can be build in Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia, and India.

Also I don't want to live in a world dominated by China, foreign policy issues take precedence over economic issues, we are talking about existential threats here.

 

[lil devils x]

Anything that can be built in China can be build in Vietnam, the Philippines, Indonesia, and India.

Also I don't want to live in a world dominated by China, foreign policy issues take precedence over economic issues, we are talking about existential threats here.

That isn't true. Look at the rare minerals map. You can ONLY extract rare minerals where they exist. Also, you may not actually be able to have the same factories there, China is HUGE compared to all of those other nations. There are a number of factors that are considered when building new factories as well.
For example:

Manufacturing In Vietnam: 5 Key Factors For Moving From China

Many importers have found moving manufacturing to Vietnam isn’t as simple as just finding a new supplier. Let’s look at four key factors to consider before you move your manufacturing from China to Vietnam.

www.intouch-quality.com

Thailand Manufacturing: An Alternative to Sourcing from China

Thailand is one country perfectly suited to serve as an alternative manufacturing base to China. Here are four factors you should consider for your Thailand manufacturing supply chain.

www.intouch-quality.com

Alternatives to China: Where is the Manufacturing Capacity?

In his latest op-ed, Chris Devonshire-Ellis discusses potential locations in Asia for firms considering alternative locations to spread their China risk.

www.china-briefing.com

 

[Silvanus]

Also I don't want to live in a world dominated by China, foreign policy issues take precedence over economic issues, we are talking about existential threats here.

I'm pretty sure the 2 issues consistently considered genuine existential threats to the species by scientists are nuclear war and climate change, and the probability of annihilation through either one of them has been massively increased by the Republicans: through endless proliferation, brinkmanship and removing actually functional nuclear limitation treaties, and by shredding environmental protections, respectively.

 

[Agema]

Obama on about time for change

That isn't a clear position. That's the epitome of a nebulous slogan.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Thanks for Humoring me

Joe Biden: Where does he stand on key issues?

Where does the Democratic president-elect stand on key issues?

www.bbc.com

The Coronavirus and the Handling of it

Joe Biden’s Plan to Beat COVID-19 - Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

Today, the trajectory of COVID-19 in America is headed in the wrong direction. In some parts of the country, the test positivity rate is climbing, hospitalizations are sky-rocketing, and testing sites are overwhelmed. Donald Trump’s catastrophic failures of governance have led to tens of...

joebiden.com

Joe Biden’s plan to beat the coronavirus

Donald Trump botched America’s Covid-19 response. Joe Biden thinks he has a plan to fix it.

www.vox.com

Biden campaign flips COVID-19 threat into new Trump contrast

WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) — Confronted with its first known coronavirus scare, Joe Biden’s presidential campaign turned the threat into another contrast with President Donald Trump in the closing weeks of a general election battle dominated by how the Republican incumbent has handled the pandemic and hi

apnews.com

Economy

Build Back Better: Joe Biden’s Jobs and Economic Recovery Plan for Working Families - Joe Biden for President: Official Campaign Website

Joe Biden believes to his core that there’s no greater economic engine in the world than the hard work and ingenuity of the American people. Nobody has more respect for the working women and men who get up every day to build and sustain this country, or more confidence that they can meet the...

joebiden.com

Opinion | Biden’s Tax Plan Would Spur Economic Growth

Wealth would be shared more broadly, and even free-marketeers see the benefit of more revenue.

www.wsj.com

Climate Change and the Environment

Plan for Climate Change and Environmental Justice | Joe Biden

Joe Biden knows climate change is the greatest threat facing our country and our world, and he has a bold plan for a clean energy revolution.

joebiden.com

Biden puts climate change at center of his campaign. Here's what it could mean for Indiana.

Biden wants a carbon free power sector by 2035, while Indiana predominantly runs on coal. Here is what Biden's climate plan could mean for the state.

www.indystar.com

California officials see boon in Biden's climate plan

Biden plans to use California as a template for a frenzy of advancements in clean energy and environmental justice. The state would reap big benefits.

www.latimes.com

None of this was hidden. These are the same points he has been hammering over and over again.

But if you're just looking for his slogan? It's Build Back Better. What does that mean? All the things I linked to. His positions were made clear. America is hurting now.

Trump lost jobs



Trump fractures the American Union for political gain



And we're not even talking about how Trump directly used this four years to increase his wealth.

All the President's Profiting

Trump and his family are in position to profit directly from his public service. Track payments to Trump properties from Trump-related entities and beyond.

www.opensecrets.org

Being anti-harmful thing is as much of a platform than anyone ever needs. It's literally the only thing Republicans usually say when they are running. The horrible Left has turned this into an America that isn't yours. Isn't that bad? Isn't that unnatural? Isn't that hateful? Vote for me. I'm against that and I'll make sure it will change.

Hell, that was the platform Trump used to get in. Anti-Politician. Anti-Obama. Why is it suddenly not valid when it's applied to the first Orange American?

Whether you believe them or trust them isn't the same thing as him not stating his platform. He has clearly done so numerous times.

How often are those the focus of press conferences?

How often are they the focus of the actual messaging?


Again as the article I linked points out it's about designating an enemy.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

That isn't a clear position. That's the epitome of a nebulous slogan.

True but it acted as a nice wrapper for the perceived positions he was taking.

E.G.
The fact this exists kind of pointing towards some of his policies vs his opponent seemingly not having solid ones.

 

[Shadyside]

Trump Records Shed New Light on Chinese Business Pursuits (Published 2020)

As he raises questions about his opponent’s standing with China, President Trump’s taxes reveal details about his own activities there, including a previously unknown bank account.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Agema]

The fact this exists kind of pointing towards some of his policies vs his opponent seemingly not having solid ones.

The election usually identified as the point where policy started drifting away was in 1960. It was pointed out then that Nixon sold detail, and JFK sold a dream: and JFK won.

Ever since then, the recognition has been that the precise whats and hows are less important than giving people a sense that the politician meets their ideals. Frankly, many voters wouldn't get the detail even if it were debated. They can grasp some simple numbers to illustrate stuff, but the technicalities of what a bill really means and what passing it would actually entail will simply induce a great, big blank. The art is therefore to catch a zeitgeist or feeling.

Obama came off the back of long grind. A dispiriting eight years of economic mediocrity ending in a crash, and two wars that after initial enthusiasm and success turned into draining slogs with no victory in sight (or even vision of what that victory would be). "Change" was simple and effective. Trump was really a great candidate for the anti-establishment 2016 election, after "change" turned out to be very little change at all, which surely made people question whether normal politics could deliver any. Unfortunately for him, now people have tasted beltway outsider they've found that they really don't like it, and a huge swathe of voters crave the reassuring stability of business as normal. So that's the dream Biden is there to sell: safe, boring normality.

I think that's why Trump took a significant poll dive after the first debate. Waverers needed to see a man who could be reasonable and responsible. What they saw was the same chaos they had become sick of. I bet you if in the third debate he could just keep a grip and have a reasonable back and forth debate without insults he'd go up in the polls even if he lost the arguments. However, I actually don't think he has the composure - he's too ingrained in his act. And it would still be too little, too late.

 

[lil devils x]

Trump Records Shed New Light on Chinese Business Pursuits (Published 2020)

As he raises questions about his opponent’s standing with China, President Trump’s taxes reveal details about his own activities there, including a previously unknown bank account.

www.nytimes.com

Yea, Trump having a secret Chinese Bank account is going to be difficult to explain..
That and him paying China more in taxes than he paid the US. YIKES!

He may be bad at implementation like allies, but the mindset, if he has the mindset, and isn't just posturing for this election, is right.

Mindset to pay more in taxes to China than to the US?

 

[dreng3]

Yea, Trump having a secret Chinese Bank account is going to be difficult to explain..

Isn't the sad reality that Trump doesn't actually have to explain? He act outrageously all the time, lies, cheats, and breaks the law, but in the end he proffers no explanation and he still gets away with it.

 

[Shadyside]

Yea, Trump having a secret Chinese Bank account is going to be difficult to explain..

It's an elaborate 4D move that we can't possibly understand.

 

[Trunkage]

Yea, Trump having a secret Chinese Bank account is going to be difficult to explain..

Wait..since when did Trump having a lot of business dealings in China become a secret? We knew he was financially tied to the CCP before 2016

 

[Trunkage]

It's an elaborate 4D move that we can't possibly understand.

Oh shit, is Trump going to pretend to be communist to take down the communist? Is THAT why he gave out $1200 to everyone. That was a clear communist move

 

[Agema]

Yea, Trump having a secret Chinese Bank account is going to be difficult to explain..

No, it's ludicrously easy to explain.

Trump wants to make money and doesn't care where or who he works with. He looked at the Pacific Rim like he looked at Russia, Middle East, etc. (and he probably needs to, because his reputation in the US financial world is trash so he might find financing relatively difficult at home). The Chinese outpost looked like it didn't achieve much.

It does however perhaps tell us something about Trump's anti-China crusade. Do you think he'd be raging at China if there were expensive Trump Hotels in Shanghai, Tianjin and Guangzhou?

 

[Shadyside]

I wish lunatic and zontar were here to make us understand the conservative mindset.

 

[Trunkage]

I wish lunatic and zontar were here to make us understand the conservative mindset.

I’ll take just the later thanks

 

[lil devils x]

No, it's ludicrously easy to explain.

Trump wants to make money and doesn't care where or who he works with. He looked at the Pacific Rim like he looked at Russia, Middle East, etc. (and he probably needs to, because his reputation in the US financial world is trash so he might find financing relatively difficult at home). The Chinese outpost looked like it didn't achieve much.

It does however perhaps tell us something about Trump's anti-China crusade. Do you think he'd be raging at China if there were expensive Trump Hotels in Shanghai, Tianjin and Guangzhou?

He would rage against anyone if he thought it would work to his benefit. Trump caused US farmers and other businesses to go under, but as long as it is beneficial to him, he is for it.

Amid Trump Tariffs, Farm Bankruptcies And Suicides Rise

Farmers have seen their incomes slashed due to factors outside of their control. However, tariffs imposed by Trump and China’s retaliation are making their situation even direr. This has led to a rise in farm bankruptcies and multiple people warning about the increased stress leading to suicides.

www.forbes.com

China tariffs could push fragile U.S. retailers to cut jobs and close stores

Retailers are slashing jobs tied to bankruptcy at the highest level in a decade -- now come 10% taxes on China goods

www.cbsnews.com

Here Are 202 Companies Hurt by Trump's Tariffs

These companies have been forced to take cost‐cutting measures such as laying off employees or forgoing expansion.

www.cato.org

 

[Gergar12]

That isn't true. Look at the rare minerals map. You can ONLY extract rare minerals where they exist. Also, you may not actually be able to have the same factories there, China is HUGE compared to all of those other nations. There are a number of factors that are considered when building new factories as well.
For example:

Manufacturing In Vietnam: 5 Key Factors For Moving From China

Many importers have found moving manufacturing to Vietnam isn’t as simple as just finding a new supplier. Let’s look at four key factors to consider before you move your manufacturing from China to Vietnam.

www.intouch-quality.com

Thailand Manufacturing: An Alternative to Sourcing from China

Thailand is one country perfectly suited to serve as an alternative manufacturing base to China. Here are four factors you should consider for your Thailand manufacturing supply chain.

www.intouch-quality.com

Alternatives to China: Where is the Manufacturing Capacity?

In his latest op-ed, Chris Devonshire-Ellis discusses potential locations in Asia for firms considering alternative locations to spread their China risk.

www.china-briefing.com

We can build up the infrastructure in the other countries with private FDI, and loans from the IMF, and World Bank, and even if this results in pain in the short term, it's better than letting the new Nazis grow in economic, and thus military might.

Also, you didn't mention India.