No I'm complaining about the general approach happening to discourse where emotive language is replacing actual discourse
Yeah, complaining about people not writing academic essays on Twitter, like I said.
And?
So we should just go with anything goes rules?
"Ban all tweets that aren't thoughtful and engaging essays!"
Which suggest twitter exists just for political point scoring and dunks to attack those you dislike with the most blindly flailing yet emotive expression you can.
Yeah, basically. So, y'know, maybe if you're looking for actual arguments and discussion... Don't look there?
And don't be surprised when people use other mediums to provide examples of discussion and analysis?
And maybe don't be surprised that <500-character-count 20-second brainfarts outnumber the amount of 40-minute-long structured and researched video essays with a degree of production value by massive margins? Seriously lol c'mon
Not what I said try again and this time try comprehending my point will you?
That not everything everyone says on the internet is going to be a well-structured, thoughtful, educational piece?
Congratulations detective, you cracked the case. You did it.
And yet the argument is over just throwing words around to label people as something bad in place of just insulting people.
I rejected them because the argument was over the amount of discourse relating to J.K. Rowling that started and ended with trying to throw a label on her to get an emotive reaction.
And again I say:
And maybe don't be surprised that <280-character-count 20-second brainfarts outnumber the amount of 40-minute-long structured and researched video essays with a degree of production value by massive margins?
Or rather, I guess, don't be so surprised that Twitter is... Twitter. Like, congratulations, you're the last person on Earth to realize that the majority of tweets aren't insightful. Good job?
I'unno. You tell me how many you need to see to be satisfied.
because those ones I pointed to haven't.
... Damn, you really
are the last person on Earth to discover that the majority of tweets aren't insightful aren't you?
maybetrylookingelsewherebesidestwitteronamediawherepeoplecanactuallycreatecontentlongenoughtobeinsightfulandresearchedidunnojustathoughtimjustsaying
Oh shit, Jim Sterling hasn't. Well damn, guess that means nobody else possibly could have either. Welp, there goes my argument. Fuck my drag, right?
The 100s of others saying it likely haven't.
The people even turning up in some of her mentions likely haven't.
Lets say more than 30% of those throwing out the claim she's a Terf that would be a statistically significant amount.
Quaaaaalityyyyyyy~
Over quantityyyyyyy~
Again, yeah, no shit. You're not helping your case here, you're just further proving that you're literally complaining that not everything everyone says on Twitter is in an academic essay format.
Because quantity can quickly overwhelm quality in discourse. Because I'm literally arguing about the trend of people choosing more to throw emotive terms at people and insult and shame rather than try to engage in any real discussion of points etc. Hell there's no evidence most of the ones I found out even know the points of discussion. I'm sure I saw some stuff talking to people protesting a Jordan Peterson talk and they asked one guy why he was there and the guy replies "Jordan Peterson is promoting white supremacy and helping recruit for neo-nazi groups" or something like that. He was then asked "Have you ever listened to anything Jordan Peterson has done media wise" and the guy goes "Nah but my friend told me he supports nazis so I'm out here to protest". It's becoming blind tribalism and going back to my literal main argument
IT'S NOT FUCKING GOOD FOR ANYONE IF PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE SHIT.
Man, your...
waaaaaaay over-inflated expectations of Twitter are one thing, but your expectations of everyone to be able to drop perfect citations and well-rounded statements on a whim, even during high-emotional events like a protest, are another. Look, I'm all for well-rounded rhetoric. In fact I'm a huge advocate for the improvement of leftist rhetoric, and I'm glad that it's been improving as of late. But, we can't all be Contrapoints. We can't all be Vaush. We can't all be well-seasoned debate bros, and the truth is most of us won't be, nor can the best of us even be that 100% of the time in every single interaction we have or statement that we make.
Not only that, but not every single medium is an appropriate or adequate place to do such either. Twitter is not a place of thoughtful discussion and debate, it is not a Socratic forum. Not even just because of the people, but because it was literally not built to be such a place. 280 characters is barely enough space to get a well thought out, researched, evidence-driven statement. Sure you can like, make a thread of multiple 280-character posts but like... Those are so awkward to read. Responses end up all over the place because each post can have its own threads, and... It's just a mess. 1/10 would not recommend.
So look, I'm with you on people having better arguments. But there's a time and place for everything. A protest, where emotions are high, isn't a good time. And Twitter just isn't a good place. And expecting
every... single... person... who ever says
anything, on the internet, to only do so if it's 100% thoughtful, insightful, well-researched and cited, like... I dunno what to tell you, other than say that's one hell of a utopian pipe dream.
That's okay though.
Your
utopian
pipe
dream
is
valid
.
Just tweet at her, not like she's been driven off twitter yet.
Well, maybe if I sacrifice enough sheep to Beelzebub, he'll finally grant unto me the luck I'd need for her social media manager to come across my tweet and decide "Yes, this IS the one! I must show it to her!"
By the way, I also want to point out that the whole discussion thing goes both ways. I haven't seen a single shred of evidence that JK Rowling herself has any desire or intention to actually have a debate or discussion with anyone either, especially not with anyone that doesn't already agree with her. So... Yeah...