Gaming Journalists Make No Damn Sense

[Trunkage]

I don't view the world in this kind of intersectional labels, I treat people the same way no matter who they are. I give respect as long as I receive it back. I don't take kindly to people blaming me for their failures because I didn't like their movie. You can go broke for all I care.

Nah. Just look at this thread. If you thought this in any shape or form, you wouldn't care about woke or whatever their doing. You don't like the 'intersection' woke and will do anything you can to stop it.

It's okay dude. This is not a secret. Woke people get to make their nonsense movie just as much as everyone else. They can be Brie Larsens, Elizabeth Banks or Daisy Ridleys however they want. You've spent a whole thread saying their bad, and then pretend right here "I'm okay with everyone." Because you are not

 

[Iron]

Nah. Just look at this thread. If you thought this in any shape or form, you wouldn't care about woke or whatever their doing. You don't like the 'intersection' woke and will do anything you can to stop it.

It's okay dude. This is not a secret. Woke people get to make their nonsense movie just as much as everyone else. They can be Brie Larsens, Elizabeth Banks or Daisy Ridleys however they want. You've spent a whole thread saying their bad, and then pretend right here "I'm okay with everyone." Because you are not

I'm not okay with people that disrespect me.

 

[Avnger]

I'm not okay with people that disrespect me.

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

 

[Iron]

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

put it on a bumper-sticker, it'd be more meaningful on a moving car.

 

[Trunkage]

I'm not okay with people that disrespect me.

Yep, wanting someone other than a 40 year old white dude to review your movie is such disrespect. Apologies, she didn't mean to seem like she was excluding them. Cant we have both?

You're the one trying to stop this movies from being made. You're the one being disrespectful

 

[Houseman]

Yep, wanting someone other than a 40 year old white dude to review your movie is such disrespect.

So if she would have said "I don't respect the opinions of black people", it wouldn't be disrespectful at all, right?

 

[Iron]

Yep, wanting someone other than a 40 year old white dude to review your movie is such disrespect. Apologies, she didn't mean to seem like she was excluding them. Cant we have both?

You're the one trying to stop this movies from being made. You're the one being disrespectful

Again you're putting words in my mouth, as always. I am not trying to stop these movies from being made. I am commenting on how they fail.

 

[Trunkage]

Again you're putting words in my mouth, as always. I am not trying to stop these movies from being made. I am commenting on how they fail.

Some do. Some dont. It got to do with the quality of writer, not how 'woke' it is

So if she would have said "I don't respect the opinions of black people", it wouldn't be disrespectful at all, right?

She didnt use the word disrespect. She said she wanted other people to review it. Reactionaries pretended it was disrespect. And I'm fine with people stating that one demographic being singled out is not cool, as they did with her here

 

[Iron]

Some do. Some dont. It got to do with the quality of writer, not how 'woke' it is

She didnt use the word disrespect. She said she wanted other people to review it. Reactionaries pretended it was disrespect. And I'm fine with people stating that one demographic being singled out is not cool, as they did with her here

As was said before... good authors don't get promoted because of wokeness. They're being asked to pay a pound of flesh at the gates. That is why the only good comics nowadays are not of the major publishers or are self-published, and why the comic book industry (especially the stores) are failing. The products are garbage. They thought they were connecting with younger audiences but it didn't sell.
I don't care about the general offense people take when it's mentioned, I find it tiresome.

 

[Trunkage]

As was said before... good authors don't get promoted because of wokeness. They're being asked to pay a pound of flesh at the gates. That is why the only good comics nowadays are not of the major publishers or are self-published, and why the comic book industry (especially the stores) are failing. The products are garbage. They thought they were connecting with younger audiences but it didn't sell.
I don't care about the general offense people take when it's mentioned, I find it tiresome.

Artist dont make 'woke' thing. They just make. We apply the woke label later when we want to make it political

Edit: This is different from a studio note saying 'we need this in our movie." Because I don't agree with that, whether its conservative, progressive or libertarian. This includes all those studio notes from the 1930s to today who say "Only white males can make this movie work. Females cant do that. Black people need to die first. etc." Studio fucking with artistic visions is (usually) bad

 

[Buyetyen]

Edit: This is different from a studio note saying 'we need this in our movie." Because I don't agree with that, whether its conservative, progressive or libertarian. This includes all those studio notes from the 1930s to today who say "Only white males can make this movie work. Females cant do that. Black people need to die first. etc." Studio fucking with artistic visions is (usually) bad

I can't help but notice that the anti-woke argument almost never attacks corporate for its malfeasance. At best, they give some lip service to, "letting the artist make what they want," but when corporate puts their dick in things, it's always the talent who get the blame from the armchair experts and self-proclaimed "core audience."

 

[Phoenixmgs]

I'd think that Nadine beating up Drake and Sam counts as radical feminism.

I'd also think that suddenly including women in Battlefield V also counts. You say "hardly a radical turn that you can play as, god forbid, a woman in a game", but that's obviously disingenuous. You can play as a woman in Tekken and nobody, not even me, is complaining about that or claiming that it's "radical feminism" that little Xaioyu can beat up Supernatural lazer-beam-head Devil Kazuya. Why not? Because that's consistent with the rules established in the game's world. Everybody is as strong as everybody else. It's a fantasy world where little girls can suplex literal actual bears. Men and women are already equal according to the rules of this universe.

Nobody has a problem with that.

Battlefield is not supposed to be, nor is it trying to be, an "alternate universe" war game. It never markets itself as such. It's supposed to be a "historical" game. You can't do that and also have women storming the beach on D-Day. This inconsistency and historical revisionism can only be attributed to radical feminism. Someone decided "just shove women in there, it'll make us look progressive!"

This consistency is also the reason why I have a problem with Nadine. Nathan is shown to be a proficient fighter in all the other games prior, fighting, and winning against lots of other trained soldiers. But he can't land a single hit on Nadine. This inconsistency can only be attributed to radical feminism. Someone just decided "write in an invincible woman in there, and make her a minority, it'll make us look progressive!"

People have a problem with that.

Most successful and lowest scoring.

Nadine beating up Drake and Sam is not radical feminism, it's not even feminism. I don't think anyone that has played the Uncharted games would consider Nate to be a proficient fighter. The hero of the greatest Christmas movie ever, the great John McClane, isn't a proficient fighter either. You can be a hero and "save the day" without being a proficient fighter whether you're Nathan Drake, John McClane, or Indiana Jones. It wouldn't be radical feminism if there was a movie with all three of those characters and Michelle Yeoh's character from Supercop beat them all up at once. There's a scene in like every action movie where the hero gets beat up pretty good to up the odds/stakes. Is Joker capturing Batman radical clownism?

Battlefield series is not some super hardcore historically accurate series. If it was, it wouldn't be popular. I'm pretty sure you can dig up factual accounts of women fighting in wars like the Women's Battalion of Death from WWI. Even if women didn't fight on whatever side that the game or trailer depicts, women have combat roles now. It's not like women can't perform these roles and have never done it. How is it RADICAL feminism or feminism at all depicting what we know women have done and can do?

Scores matter how? Game journalists are horrible reviewers and user scores are extremely biased. They ain't gonna tell you if a game series was more liked or disliked by the general public as it went on. The money something pulls in does not lie.

 

[Houseman]

I can't help but notice that the anti-woke argument almost never attacks corporate for its malfeasance. At best, they give some lip service to, "letting the artist make what they want," but when corporate puts their dick in things, it's always the talent who get the blame from the armchair experts and self-proclaimed "core audience."

I've always used the term "executive meddling" when discussing who is to blame, and I've always seen it used, even long before the "woke wave". It's always been the case that suits who don't understand how game are dictating things, to the game's detriment.

I don't think anyone that has played the Uncharted games would consider Nate to be a proficient fighter.

Remind me of Drake's body count again?
It's hundreds. Per game.
Drake, judging by his actions, is psychopathic mass-murdering machine who cracks jokes like he cracks skulls.
In every game, you can use hand-to-hand combat to kill enemies. It usually takes three hits unless the opponent is heavily armored (or female, apparently).
It even has a cool mechanic where, if you're out of ammo or weapons, you knock the enemy's gun out of their hands as you dispatch them and catch it in midair.

Yes, he's a proficient fighter, not just handy with a gun. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have survived as long as he had.

Are you trying to tell me, that out of all the games and out of all the enemies he's faced, that Nadine is the ONLY TRAINED FIGHTER he's ever been up against? And that's the reason he couldn't beat her? Is that seriously your argument? Out of all the PMC's in all the different games, not ONE of them employed someone who studied any sort of hand-to-hand combat?

Battlefield series is not some super hardcore historically accurate series

It's not an "alternate universe" game either. Therefore it gets to alienate both people who expect historical accuracy AND people who expect an "alternate universe", and is probably why it failed to meet expectations.

How is it RADICAL feminism or feminism at all depicting what we know women have done and can do?

Historical revisionism and inserting women into places where they originally weren't is radical feminism for reasons that should be obvious.

Scores matter how?

Scores are mostly how we determine quality, not sales. Especially not the sales of a long-running series. If the first two games were good, people might automatically buy the third game, but that doesn't mean the game is good. GTAV has earned the most amount of money for a video game, ever. Does that mean it's the best game ever?

Basically, you saying that a game was "successful" in terms of sales means very little, seeing as how sales is not a measure of how "good" a game is. That's how it matters.

 

[Trunkage]

I've always used the term "executive meddling" when discussing who is to blame, and I've always seen it used, even long before the "woke wave". It's always been the case that suits who don't understand how game are dictating things, to the game's detriment.




Remind me of Drake's body count again?
It's hundreds. Per game.
Drake, judging by his actions, is psychopathic mass-murdering machine who cracks jokes like he cracks skulls.
In every game, you can use hand-to-hand combat to kill enemies. It usually takes three hits unless the opponent is heavily armored (or female, apparently).
It even has a cool mechanic where, if you're out of ammo or weapons, you knock the enemy's gun out of their hands as you dispatch them and catch it in midair.

Yes, he's a proficient fighter, not just handy with a gun. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have survived as long as he had.

Are you trying to tell me, that out of all the games and out of all the enemies he's faced, that Nadine is the ONLY TRAINED FIGHTER he's ever been up against? And that's the reason he couldn't beat her? Is that seriously your argument? Out of all the PMC's in all the different games, not ONE of them employed someone who studied any sort of hand-to-hand combat?



It's not an "alternate universe" game either. Therefore it gets to alienate both people who expect historical accuracy AND people who expect an "alternate universe", and is probably why it failed to meet expectations.



Historical revisionism and inserting women into places where they originally weren't is radical feminism for reasons that should be obvious.



Scores are mostly how we determine quality, not sales. Especially not the sales of a long-running series. If the first two games were good, people might automatically buy the third game, but that doesn't mean the game is good. GTAV has earned the most amount of money for a video game, ever. Does that mean it's the best game ever?

Basically, you saying that a game was "successful" in terms of sales means very little, seeing as how sales is not a measure of how "good" a game is. That's how it matters.

It's called a power fantasy Houseman. None of it is real. If you did what you did in Battlefield in real life, you just be dead. 'Historical revisionsm' is the whole game. Nathan Drake could never kill that many people in the first place because it's not real life. Drake killing thousands make a woman taking him down far more likely because clearly its all a fantasy

If you dont like games like that, it's cool man. You do you. Don't pretend you know how real life game are because games are deliberately not like that. Stop trying to stop games like this being made for those you do enjoy it. Go buy the games you like instead

 

[Houseman]

Nathan Drake could never kill that many people in the first place because it's not real life

And that's fine. Men being able to beat up women is fine. Tekken is fine. Nobody complains about Tekken or accusing it of SJWism.
The flaw in your argument is that you cannot explain why this doesn't happen.

What's not fine is breaking the established rules of the game's world, like "Drake is an extremely deadly and dangerous fighter that can single-handedly take down private armies but a random woman can take him and his friend 2v1" That breaks the rules of the game world.

"This is historical WWII but also women stormed the beaches at D-Day" also breaks the rules of the game world.

You can have fantasy, but it needs to adhere to a consistent set of rules.

If you dont like games like that, it's cool man

It's apparently not cool with you because you are not content to let me have my opinion, but you feel the need to argue with me.

Stop trying to stop games like this being made

How am I doing that, exactly?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I think Houseman is talking about it alienating non-progressive. Because everyone knows that we should only make media for them, in case they get offended

Because there's a bit of a difference between allegory and just writing strawmen to take shots at.

It's cingey either way and will age badly also it often leads to awful storytelling.

Here's some panels from Captain America Secret Empire and Tumblr users getting a little offended and wanting it not to be allowed to be pulished


I'd hope it's not a game anyone wants to play or play the "Well we control the media now so nah shut up" when it will swing back round at some point and then what?

ITT Goodfaithman is equating progressive with blatant racism and expecting us to treat them the same ig

I mean Alex Rider the TV series by Sony pictures did manage to make a Black Woman Nazi..............Also removed a Black woman from a position of power and instead had her be essentially a Nanny instead...............Plus other changes

"Get Woke, Go Broke' is a reactionary statement to gay/trans/females etc. being in media. Because, god knows, the only people who are allowed to be in movies is white males. Otherwise a bunch of people get their panties in a twist. The artist aren't trying to do anything, its outsiders coming in and saying, "I dont like that."

No it's a statement towards that being a core part of the property pushed in a "slay Queen" manner generally painting people as Strawmen or creating a female character who is always the superior.

Miles wasn't made out to be Spiderman's better, he took over from Spiderman who had died and was shown as having some struggles to start with.

Compare that to Jane as Lady Thor who magically got powers no other incarnation had ever had not even a literal high classification female mutant who wielded Thors hammer in the past.

America Chavez was written as being the one to punch Hitler and history being racist credited Captain America for it in the recent America Chavez series.

It's the difference between Martha Jones (who had her own problems as a character but still) in Doctor Who and Bill Potts who every episode had the line "I'm a Lesbian" or "Well I am black"

Because in the vast majority of games (not to mention movies) it's still white, straight men as the protagonists. Something the non-white, non-straight non-male community has pretty much tolerated without too much if any vocalization, because why would anyone listen to them, right? But now that a small percentage of games and movies dare to veer away from white, straight male protagonists a certain segment is utterly losing their shit and getting super racist, sexist and homophobic about it. Almost like that's what they always were, but never had to reveal since the odds were always (and still really are) in their favour.

So there's your contradiction; decades of the LGBTQ community not uttering a word over the lack of (positive) represention in media, a slight shift, a small step at maybe a course correction, and certain people turn into rabid baboons.

Also technically if we include all films released the majority of films have a white female lead......... Indie horror movies released onto streaming tend to like their "Last girls"

hell there's an entire genre with about 1,000+ games on Steam where ~85% of them have female leads, and no it's not porn or oddly enough horror.

Hell part of the issue is people yelling tend to yell at big franchises to cater to their whims.

E.G. the last big push to make Bond a woman happened while hilariously at the time Atomic Blonde was in cinemas and next to none of the people pushing for a female Bond said a thing about it.

Also there kind of has been a sphere of entertainment with quite a bit of LBGTQ representation but very few people tend to bring it up


Also the issue of pushing representation over specialised demographic appeal means you get the Rise of Skywalker lesbian kiss in the background instead of an award winning series called Queer as folk or a somewhat underground hit like Sugar Rush (I don't expect anyone to know the later series but you might know it's sort of spiritual / stylistic and tonal sequel, Skins). Not that I have any objection to the Rise of Skywalker lesbian kiss but that's where this push really leads a lot of the time when. There seems to be no happy medium as Lesbian Secret Agent in the cold war Atomic Blonde was almost entirely ignore because seemingly she faced opposition and challenge rather than was just far better crushing all her enemies under heel with no real effort.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Which media products are we talking about now? Black Panther? Cuz I think that did more than fine, too.

Also yeah, let's totally let profit allow racism, sexism, and homophobia to keep existing. That's how we change the world for the better after all.

Oh lets see

Selma - Did ok but it didn't win so was blamed on that
Batwoman
Supergirl
Vagrant Queen
New She-Ra
Charles Angels (the new one)
Battlefield V selling below expectations
Sunset - one of the devs of the studio went on quite the rant on her way out of the industry before coming crawling back when an arts grant came in.
Robert Yang tried to blame homophobia for why Rinse and Repeat got banned on Twitch or at least tried to argue his game should get special allowance to be on there and not be banned like the other games banned on Twitch.
Ghostbusters 2016 - lots of blaming sexism on that one.
Ocean's 8 saw a lot of puff pieces about great opening performance but it ended up as the lowest performing in the Oceans franchise
Assassination Nation I think the director blaming sexism on it's failure.
Birds of Prey had people online yelling it did badly due to sexism.
The Director of Terminator Dark Fate said sexists wouldn't see the film and would be scared, before the film came out.

I'd argue that the flop of Batwoman is that it is just a mediocre show with poor direction and an unclear vision. It wants to be another Arrow/Flash/Super Girl-spin off but struggles to decide if it is Grim Dark or more in line with Arrow in terms of mood. Kane is meant to be a troubled hero much like Queen but most of the time she just comes off as an emotionally stunted asshole and not a troubled but loveable antihero, which goes to show a) how much stronger the writing for Arrow is and b) how much better an actor Steve Amell is to Ruby Rose (specifically, Amell can balance being brooding and moody with a sweet and vulnerable side, Rose always struggles when she needs to present as affable and charming but absolutely nails emotionally distant and cocky).

That it pushes its politics really hard is quaint at best as it has nothing of real value to say about them (though I approve of the fact that CW is taking chances in trying to appeal to minority demographics with their spin-offs), but doesn't really affect the tremendous base problems of the show. I'm a fan of the Arrowverse but Batwoman needed much more pre-production time to figure out what the show was meant to be.

Which might point to an issue on writing and emphasis of stuff. E.G. The pushing certain themes front and centre above the rest.
Which in a funny twist means she's the 2nd DC show fairly main character who is a Lesbian and 3rd fairly main DC Arrowverse character to have a Lesbian relationship.

Ghostbusters (1984) and Ghostbusters II both work on the basis of their incredibly strong actors and their impeccable ability to make pretty much anything hilarious. Both have some really weak parts (the love story in the first movie is especially bad) and have aged terribly. Any reboot without as talented actors is bound to fail on that alone. Ghostbusters was lightning in a bottle and you can't do much with the franchise as it has a very narrow scope.

Also helps that Ghostbuster I at least was played as a semi-serious Schlocky film with jokes rather than a comedy film as such. The comedy comes from the insanity of it and watching people try to struggle through it not so much actual set up gags.

I absolutely agree on the first part, with the caveat that a good production is always a good production no matter the politics (Birth of a Nation says hello). The second part I think is much harder because it is intrinsically tied to the "culture war" and I can only imagine the frustration if you're trying to make a good movie without any inherent politics only to get called out on being "woke" because your lead is a woman and the romantic interest is an Asian guy. Because that absolutely happens. Rey and Finn were being criticized way before TFA was released and "get woke, go broke" was chanted at the movie in the weeks leading up to release. That's not a fault of TFA or Disney, but off the raging sexists and racists on the internet who can't see a woman or black person in leading roles in a movie without getting a hate boner the size of Manhattan. Some film makers absolutely try to shield themselves from criticism by claiming it is all bigotry, but the sword cuts both ways and some criticism of media today is absolutely rooted in that bigotry.

Essentially, we need less culture war bullshit and more focus on the merits and negatives that aren't centered on politics.

I think people kind of predicted the issues with Rey though. She did kind of end up as a Super Powerful Mary Sue like character who didn't really face that many trials herself.

People then claimed Luke didn't and you can go

Lost aunt and uncle at the start
watch Obi-wan die
Lost his arm and nearly died
Nearly froze to death
Nearly shot early on
Nearly dies to the emperor.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Brie Larson is the embodiment of the problem with hollwood right now. She thinks that her shit doesn't stink because she got cast as Captain Marvel, and then started talking about how empowering it is to be a women and hating on men, and even hating on the Avengers cast as if the movies sucked before SHE got there.

It's cringy and a perfect example of the mentality these producers and actors have over their shit. Then when it fucking sucks it's the "white dude's" fault.

I mean people like what they like. And the straight white dude demongraphic likes certain shit. It doesn't mean we're fucking racist because we didn't have any interest in watching a movie about a queer black girl from Queens try to make a name for herself in the fashion industry. It's because we don't fucking care about that as a concept. We like guns, explosions, giant monsters, pretty girls, and fart jokes. There is nothing wrong with that. And I think people have every reason to be upset when a movie tries to change our shooty shooty, boobie, explosion movie, into a female empowerment movie with a somehow worse plot and even dumber action.

You can make your female empowerment movie. Nobody is mad about that. But make it your OWN movie, dont try to turn something people already like into something it isn't. You'll never win anybody over that way.

Star Wars is a perfect example of this. If people hated on Rey, why didn't they hate on Adin Verso from Rogue one?

Rogue One was awesome and featured a female lead hero. As far as I've seen people loved it. I LOVED it. And you know why? Because they made it a side story within the Star Wars universe. They didn't try to erase the main plot for the sake of stupid ass characters.

When you make a main episode Star Wars movie, people have certain expectations and wants for that. Skywalker being a badass, an evil empire, and plucky rogue characters overcoming the universally bad enemy. Simple plot, clean, and beloved. The moment you cluttered that with a brand new cast or characters and then tried to wipe the previous episodes from having any significance, then yeah the fans aren't going to take that well. I would have that it would have been obvious to anyone with a bit of foresight.

That weird moment when you remember Brie Larson was in Scott Pilgrim vs The world and Envy Adams and not look at what she's doing and wonder "What the hell happened?"

I mean as a film Scott Pilgrim was literally a huge criticism of the kind of "Woke" mindset the idea of various characters being special.

the first ex Matthew Patel = Indian / vaguely mystical
2nd ex Lucas Lee = I'm a rebel Bro
3rd ex Todd Ingram = thinks he's better than everyone else because he's Vegan
4th ex Roxy Richter = "You'll never be able to do this to her" Roxy believing she is uniquely qualified to date Ramona because she's a lesbian
5 & 6 the Katayanagi twins = Asian
7th Gideon Graves = So indie and music scene, being so him and portraying himself as just being better than everyone else because of his position.

Also Rogue One is awsome and Jyn Erso is far better than Rey and would have been far better to carry on with as a character because she doesn't start off as powerful but she's there with the good luck lighsaber crystal thing and you know it would have been cool if like in the second film she found out she was a Jedi and her putting that crystal into her own lightsaber. Hell I want a prequel where maybe her mother is a Jedi or maybe failed Jedi who works as a healer or something not a Jedi Knight as such who ends up in the empires services and breaks out and escapes with her family.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Well, name me one that isn't Blade and that actually has a budget. Nobody was acting like there are no movies featuring, or starring black people, but Black Panther was the first big budget movie starring primarily black people since... yeah, exactly.

I mean Steel didn't have a huge budget but I think it counts as a 1997 film that still had a bigger budget than some cinema releases (E.G. the recent Invisible Man film)

Yet most of the badly written, badly acted shlock without a "progressive" narrative that fails comes under little to no scorn from a certain demographic.

Because it's often not pushed or trying to replaced or jump into an existing franchise so it barely gets noticed?

I mean people really loved Ms Marvel (Carol) and then they started her as Captain Marvel and people hated the direction they took with her and DC have kept pushing er and pushing her without getting traction.

Meanwhile DC kind of just went "Hey that Harley Quinn chick seems popular give her her own comic and lets see what happens" and DC were rushing to pump out merchandise because Harley Quinn wasn't expected to blow up huge like she did The only pushing DC has really done with Harley was Bird of Prey the film the rest has been "Yeh Harley is part of Suicide Squad" or when she was part of Gotham Sirens

But if a movie or game chooses to go for a progressive narrative, or simply have a gay protagonist, it had better be 100% top tier quality otherwise it's the fault of that agenda pushin'. It's the same dumb argument of 'there needs to be a reason for them to female/gay/black/trans'. They can't just be, and they can't just sometimes not be quality products. They have to be perfect otherwise it's undeniable proof that progressivism has no place in media.

Except it will get blindly defended by people on those grounds of inclusion etc.

E.G. Gone Home is really a bit crap and full of tropes if you research into Lesbian pulp fiction. It's not a new story, it's not groundbreaking and nor is the gameplay. But you can be certain you'll likely find some-one rush to the game defence as some masterpiece.

Also weird how the superior Alita did shit at the box office though compared to Captain Marvel starring the apparent Queen Man Hater.

I put that down more to awkward timing and the director not having the best track record. It's one of those that apparently has really picked up on home media though with rumour of an actual sequel coming.

Oh, and just to throw it out there again, Ripley from Alien, you know, one of the most iconic characters in movie history, is the product of feminist pandering. Being gender swapped solely to appeal to the growing feminist movement at the time. Can you imagine the reaction that would get online if this happened to a movie today? Oh wait, I don't have to.

Which is kind of hilarious as feminists these days hate her and consider her "A man with tits" lol

Probably because people weren't as stupid back then. Or I should say they didn't feel as attacked back then. This only started to get idiots riled up once Anita Sarkeesian and other outlets started really calling certain things out. That's when certain people started getting really pissed off and showing their true colors.

Also, you didn't exactly play as Gay Tony, and from what I remember he was the picture of the typical looking and acting gay man, and within the confines of a support character this is generally seen as "non-threatening". Give me an example of an actual playable gay man that's in a romantic relationship with another gay man, kiss scene and everything, without the usual suspects losing their shit, and then we'll talk again. And an action game, please.

You mean lying about certain things lol

I mean you are talking about "The Big Bang Theory is representative of what all male nerds are like" Anita Sarkeesian lol (also yes the episode is called Feminist frequency Sexism in File Sharing culture should you wish to check I'm not that far off with my paraphrasing of her)

I can't manage an action game but there is a point an click I can bring up if that is allowed. That's without going into the likely large amount of furry porn games on Steam.

Hey, bro. Did the ARTIST do this?

Or is this someone, later who are placing this standard onto the media?

Also, how is this different from the censorship ratings that countries already have?

So it's fine when corporate does it?

I'd think that Nadine beating up Drake and Sam counts as radical feminism.

Well that + Abby in Last of Us Part II could also be evidence of Druckman having a variation of Femdom fetish known as session Wrestling fetish

I'd also think that suddenly including women in Battlefield V also counts. You say "hardly a radical turn that you can play as, god forbid, a woman in a game", but that's obviously disingenuous. You can play as a woman in Tekken and nobody, not even me, is complaining about that or claiming that it's "radical feminism" that little Xaioyu can beat up Supernatural lazer-beam-head Devil Kazuya. Why not? Because that's consistent with the rules established in the game's world. Everybody is as strong as everybody else. It's a fantasy world where little girls can suplex literal actual bears. Men and women are already equal according to the rules of this universe.

Nobody has a problem with that.

Battlefield is not supposed to be, nor is it trying to be, an "alternate universe" war game. It never markets itself as such. It's supposed to be a "historical" game. You can't do that and also have women storming the beach on D-Day. This inconsistency and historical revisionism can only be attributed to radical feminism. Someone decided "just shove women in there, it'll make us look progressive!"

This consistency is also the reason why I have a problem with Nadine. Nathan is shown to be a proficient fighter in all the other games prior, fighting, and winning against lots of other trained soldiers. But he can't land a single hit on Nadine. This inconsistency can only be attributed to radical feminism. Someone just decided "write in an invincible woman in there, and make her a minority, it'll make us look progressive!"

People have a problem with that.



Most successful and lowest scoring.

Funniest part of Battlefield V. No-one noticed how hilariously racist it ended up.

Don't believe me?

The default allies assault class is a Black guy,

Assault are generally the people who rush the points and die most they're basically the grunts of the game other troops use as cover to move in.

 

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Oh lets see

Selma - Did ok but it didn't win so was blamed on that
Batwoman
Supergirl
Vagrant Queen
New She-Ra
Charles Angels (the new one)
Battlefield V selling below expectations
Sunset - one of the devs of the studio went on quite the rant on her way out of the industry before coming crawling back when an arts grant came in.
Robert Yang tried to blame homophobia for why Rinse and Repeat got banned on Twitch or at least tried to argue his game should get special allowance to be on there and not be banned like the other games banned on Twitch.
Ghostbusters 2016 - lots of blaming sexism on that one..

I think you forgot Voltron, Korra, Booksmart, Ladybird, looks like the new He-man, Steven Universe etc.

Hey, Dwarvenhobble. Are all movies with white male leads successful?