New Call of Duty game let's players be Non-binary

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You must have me confused with someone else, because I never demanded that anything be changed.

I don't understand why you keep accusing me of doing things that I've never done. This is like the fifth time you've done this.
Ah, so non-binary people are fine in CoD. Have them all the time. WW1, Korean, Vietnam
 
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The government having their own classification for "non-binary", so that they can send androgynous spies out on missions? I don't buy it.
You can't tell me that all the idea of transgenderism hasn't been a CIA Psy-Op this whole time, can you? Or maybe even a Soviet ploy to make us capitalist pigs ripe for the slaughter...wait a minute...your character turns out to be a Soviet spy brainwashed to work for the CIA!
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The numbers Mason! What do they mean?!!?
 
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Ah, so non-binary people are fine in CoD. Have them all the time. WW1, Korean, Vietnam
Sure, that doesn't mean I have to like it. I'm not demanding that anything be changed, as you so falsely claimed.
 

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Why do you use "noted" like it's some sort of "got em" point?

As the video above says, everything you've said in this thread has been absolutely utter nonsense. And the fact that a real person not only had the thought, but also the follow through to post it online makes me afraid for the human race.

No video game, EVER, should have to warn people that the content within is fiction. In fact the opposite should be true. The game should have a notice that the following events "are based on true stories" if such a game has such a story. But none (or very few) do. Therefore only a mindless five-year-old could possible confuse what happens in a video game as having any merits on reality to them.

That you want to label a stupid menu option as "propaganda" further proves to me and everyone on this forum just how crazy bias you are towards absolutely nothing.

Keep your crazy shit to your fucking self please. Adults are trying to have a discussion.
I’ve been thinking on this one. Maybe we DO need warning labels. Maybe putting a woman on Battlefield V will help people choose games that suits them if they don’t like women in certain games
 

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Still bad enough that pcgamer shut down discussion of the article knowing the kind of vitriol it attracts
Or they know they're wrong.

You know like when everyone called that Bully Hunters would be a shitshow and awful and no PC Gamer had to close the comment section because it wasn't supporting the writer on about how brave and noble the show was and how so very needed it was.

For those who don't know, it was a shitshow with them literally faking some of the supposed life segments with some of the Bully Hunters actually being the harassers too and just changing their names as needed lol

Oh I'm personally fine with them doing it, I just...I guess it's the fact that I work with veterans, and have heard a lot of tales about the horrific shit that happened (and still does to some degree) behind the uniform. So when I see a game set in one of the shittiest decades say "hey we've got non-binary!" the gamer in me is like "ok cool, good for everyone that wants to play that kind of hero" but the other side of me is like "...yeah....now I'm just picturing the misogynistic shit such a character would actually experience if they were actually serving in that time period." I'm sure it's probably going to lionize reagan as some bastion of democracy and freedom, and the squad is going to be his champions of american virtue or whatever jingoesque bullshit they will drum up, which just sets my teeth on edge in itself, regardless of how a non-binary would actually be treated in that squad at that time under that administration.

Granted I found the idea of going back to the reagan era to be questionable before I'd heard of the non-binary thing, but then, this is CoD so I don't really expect anything really from the franchise other than "whatever thing we think will net us the most money"
Misogyny requires them to be female by identity or female acting / presenting or female expressing.

Non-binary people can't experience misogyny strictly speaking.
 

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I love how in all the insanity CoD can pull, gender options is the thing that sends people into a frenzy.
Just goes to show how insecure, afraid, and petty certain people can be towards others different from them.
 

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One more time for the people in the back:

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No we get it, you just suck at making points, constantly backpedal, and move the goal post a 1000 miles away while tossing landmines and explosives full of denial.
 

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No we get it, you just suck at making points, constantly backpedal, and move the goal post a 1000 miles away while tossing landmines and explosives full of denial.
Claims claims everywhere, but not a shred of evidence.
 

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Just goes to show how insecure, afraid, and petty certain people can be towards others different from them.
Or you know how weird things have become and a sign of things regressing because gender expression was hugely broad seemingly so you could be a girl into Kung Fu who'd never worn heels and makes fridges in her yard as a hobby or whatever or a Guy who wears dresses or loves flower arranging and fashion etc.

I mean as an example Jim Sterling came out as non binary a month or so ago. What's changed? He wears a bit more make up and a Skirt. So did the Scottish

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You want to go back in time and tell the Scottish tribesmen they're not men cause they wear skirts?
 

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You want to go back in time and tell the Scottish tribesmen they're not men cause they wear skirts?
Those are kilts, and they'll make sure you get that detail right, if you go over there. Call it skirt, and they will do something not nice.

Or you know how weird things have become and a sign of things regressing because gender expression was hugely broad seemingly so you could be a girl into Kung Fu who'd never worn heels and makes fridges in her yard as a hobby or whatever or a Guy who wears dresses or loves flower arranging and fashion etc.
That's a load bull and you know it. You ain't convincing anyone, but yourself You wanna get high off your shity; go right ahead. Flip that coin. I'll be somewhere not caring and putting my concern in to more important matters. Good night.
 

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Those are kilts, and they'll make sure you get that detail right, if you go over there. Call it skirt, and they will do something not nice.
Semantics in the end really.

I mean do the Panto Dames in the UK suddenly stop being men because they've worn a dress?



That's a load bull and you know it. You ain't convincing anyone, but yourself You wanna get high off your shity; go right ahead. Flip that coin. I'll be somewhere not caring and putting my concern in to more important matters. Good night.
How is it a load of bullshit?

We're in an age where a Tomboy would be having people tell her she's Non-binary and not a real girls / woman as such just because she doesn't ascribe to some gender binary ideals that seem right out of the 1920s almost.........
 

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Because here's the real deal: The whole argument that it is disrespectful to the people of the time to not go full hog on historicity is flawed. If we go by that metric, the very fact that we have fictional movies, shows, games, books and comic books about any war is inherently disrespectful. The fact that I in 2002 played MoH:AA and enjoyed a fictional recreation of Omaha Beach, a place where a thousand American soldiers died, is much, much more disrespectful then the inclusion of a Non-Binary option in a fictional game about fictional events in the 80's. The fact that we have all played Call of Duty, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty: World at War or Red Orchestra and enjoyed playing fictional recreations of the Battle of Stalingrad, where tens of thousands of soldiers died in some of the most brutal warfare in human history and thousands of civilians starved to death, should upset you so much more for how disrespectful it is to all those dead people and their surviving relatives or descendants. Until you have the moral fiber to denounce Call of Duty: World War 2 for making a depiction of the Holocaust a cheap Friendship For Life feel good story as disrespectful to Holocaust victims, you've got no leg to stand on when you think the line is drawn at Non-Binary people in Call of Duty: Cold War.
So, I agree that outrage over women in BF5, or non-binary soldiers in CW, is selective outrage, but I disagree about the idea of what you describe as being inherently disrespectful.

You kind of imply that us having fun at Normandy or Stalingrad is inherently disrespectful. Okay, so, if I enjoy something like Saving Private Ryan or Enemy at the Gates inherently disrespectful? If I wasn't having fun, would it not be disrespectful? Or, if there's the argument that videogame portrayals of these events are inherently disrespectful and other forms of media aren't, then I have to sharply disagree there as well.

The distinction I'd use is that MoH and the WWII CoD games clearly respected the historical events they were depicting. You can point to absurdities in both series (e.g. the former had OSS agents accomplishing impossible feats), but they were still reverential.
 

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I was kinda confused why on my friend's playthrough, his character was referred to as "they". Turns out he chose the non-binary option. I've watched a few clips of people playing as a woman though, and you can clearly tell that the grunts and shouts of pain are female. I can't remember what my friend's character sounded like. Do they allow you to choose your sex then?

My two cents about BFV, since I consider myself a Battlefield fan and I jump at any chance to talk about this dying franchise: It will never not be jarring charging through the trenches and hearing a woman screaming out in pain as she's burned alive somewhere out there on the battlefield. It's not something that really bothers me, but at the same time, I don't think my brain will ever recognize it something ordinary. I'd be interested in hearing if female Battlefield players would actually care if their player character was female or not in a WWII game.
 
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I think it's just there as an option for the sake of representation. It's ultimately meaningless at the end of the day, but putting it there doesn't hurt anything either and if makes a few people happy while playing shooty shooty bang bang, then whatever.
I mean, it's a cod game, where almost all of the POV characters have no personality or character traits at all and normally aren't ever seen by the player.

Also the COD series is about 1000% insane OOT and just pretends to be realistic so while it comes across as wierd, these games throw "realism" out the window whenever they damn well feel like it because it looks cool and because the script called for 20% more explosions so it's hard to really see this as a big deal regardless.

Not unlike being satly about ladies in Battlefield when you have GPS guided rail artillery(in WW1) that homes in directly on you because of couse it does.
 
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I mean do the Panto Dames in the UK suddenly stop being men because they've worn a dress?
Don't know what those are and I don't care. Those guys can wear whatever they want.
How is it a load of bullshit?

We're in an age where a Tomboy would be having people tell her she's Non-binary and not a real girls / woman as such just because she doesn't ascribe to some gender binary ideals that seem right out of the 1920s almost.
If someone to stupid to figure that out, that is their own problem. I don't see everyone doing this. And plus, with all of dumb shit and the chaos caused dumb ass and jack ass people in power, someone declaring themselves non-binary/whatever is the least of the Earth's issues right now. When this pandemic ends, I will still find it the least of the Earth's problem. For you it will be a nagging feeling with little to no reason, but that is a you problem. You work on that if you wish.
 
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