A review of the Trump Presidency

[ObsidianJones]

And he is doing so, right? Money talks, bull #@^$ walks. Under Trump, forget all the talk about things like "Critical Race Theory"... his policies, minus COVID, brought about prosperity his predecessor said would require a magic wand. Not possible.

How?

Please explain to me how I should forget things like Critical Race Theory.

In this new "Old" Fresh Hell named Florida that I currently reside, tell me how I forget that I'm black when I catch at least three times a week "There goes another Biden Vote"? Where I'm told By White People who are being friendly, I guess, that I might not want to stray that far out of the city I'm in because beyond these borders lies "Trump Country".

Your economy gains cost people their feelings of safety and security. And you ask people to willingly forget it because you have the luxury choose to think about the economy. I do not. Because if I put on the blinders of "Oh, the economy is so great, let me just go about my merry race" and then voice my opinions in the wrong side of town. Well... This.


I stress once again, America is not a Business. It is a Conglomeration of Peoples and Cultures that must work towards a single goal: Our Mutual Survival.

Gorfias, for one last time, you have to understand how you're coming off. You're literally telling people not to care about how they are being treated in the world because you like the economy.

This is a thread about the review of Trump's Presidency. Given that he's is a President and Not a CEO, by any metric he's done poorly because he did not handle the duties of President well. You just said that Trump was acerbic for doing the very unpresidential thing of denying aid to people who he considers enemies. He created divisions for political power. He pandered to his base because he wants them to like him instead of doing what's actually beneficial for the American people. He alienated us from our allies. He eroded America's creditability by cozing up to Putin. He stripped Americans of their civil rights, and then environmental protections.

This is what a President Does in times of Crisis for his fellow Citizens who might have voted against the President.

President Obama in New Jersey: "We Are Here for You"

President Obama visits New Jersey to witness the devastation from Hurricane Sandy, comfort residents, and pledge the full support of the federal government in the recovery effort.

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

Not.... well, any of the choices Trump made which I just posted before. Not to mention the many other responses that are equally as disappointing.

And yeah, Obama grew the economy from one of the worst Recessions on Record. His $831 billion in spending kicked off the longest period of economic growth and job creation in American history. Do you like him? Do you value his presidency? Or do you count other things that you might not vibe with because when it's a democrat, it's everything. But when's a republican, allowances must be made as long as you're happy with one thing?

If you disliked Obama for how he handled the country, and people point out to how he's created the longest period of economic growth and job creation in American History, would that change your mind about him? Honestly?

 

[happyninja42]

I've been developing a hypothesis for the last few years that conservatives prefer the illusion of freedom to the real thing.

Well yeah, since they have this false idea in their head on what "freedom" means, and it's contrary to reality, so they rail against it, and call foul, and that we're "attacking america" and that we're not true americans, and all their tired rhetoric. Because it frames them as the line in the sand, fighting off all of us dirty hipsters and brown people who want to come in and destroy their america, an america that is total bullshit and never actually existed, anywhere but their imaginations.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I've been developing a hypothesis for the last few years that conservatives prefer the illusion of freedom to the real thing.

See also, "small government". Or, hell, "equality". Or "personal responsibility". Or...

 

[gorfias]

Citation needed. You keep making all these evidence-free assertions and expecting us to just go along with it. And when proven wrong, you just lie.

Do you even watch legacy corporate media? Do you doubt that if Trump cured cancer, they'd be reporting, on behalf of that 1%, that he'd harmed the employment of cancer researchers? What are we even arguing about here? Are you writing you think the top 1% do not despise him given the hostile coverage he has received? If we have no argument there, your post makes no sense.

 

[Chimpzy]

A SS tier comedy and the most outrageous practical joke in history.

12 words with a twist. How's that for concise?

 

[Thaluikhain]

A SSS tier comedy and the most outrageous practical joke in history.

11 words. How's that for concise?

That's 3 Ss more than 11 words. Though, if you remove just 1 S and squint it sorta works as well.

 

[gorfias]

How?

Please explain to me how I should forget things like Critical Race Theory.

In this new "Old" Fresh Hell named Florida that I currently reside, tell me how I forget that I'm black when I catch at least three times a week "There goes another Biden Vote"? Where I'm told By White People who are being friendly, I guess, that I might not want to stray that far out of the city I'm in because beyond these borders lies "Trump Country".

Your economy gains cost people their feelings of safety and security. And you ask people to willingly forget it because you have the luxury choose to think about the economy. I do not. Because if I put on the blinders of "Oh, the economy is so great, let me just go about my merry race" and then voice my opinions in the wrong side of town. Well... This.


I stress once again, America is not a Business. It is a Conglomeration of Peoples and Cultures that must work towards a single goal: Our Mutual Survival.

Gorfias, for one last time, you have to understand how you're coming off. You're literally telling people not to care about how they are being treated in the world because you like the economy.

This is a thread about the review of Trump's Presidency. Given that he's is a President and Not a CEO, by any metric he's done poorly because he did not handle the duties of President well. You just said that Trump was acerbic for doing the very unpresidential thing of denying aid to people who he considers enemies. He created divisions for political power. He pandered to his base because he wants them to like him instead of doing what's actually beneficial for the American people. He alienated us from our allies. He eroded America's creditability by cozing up to Putin. He stripped Americans of their civil rights, and then environmental protections.

This is what a President Does in times of Crisis for his fellow Citizens who might have voted against the President.

President Obama in New Jersey: "We Are Here for You"

President Obama visits New Jersey to witness the devastation from Hurricane Sandy, comfort residents, and pledge the full support of the federal government in the recovery effort.

obamawhitehouse.archives.gov

Not.... well, any of the choices Trump made which I just posted before. Not to mention the many other responses that are equally as disappointing.

And yeah, Obama grew the economy from one of the worst Recessions on Record. His $831 billion in spending kicked off the longest period of economic growth and job creation in American history. Do you like him? Do you value his presidency? Or do you count other things that you might not vibe with because when it's a democrat, it's everything. But when's a republican, allowances must be made as long as you're happy with one thing?

If you disliked Obama for how he handled the country, and people point out to how he's created the longest period of economic growth and job creation in American History, would that change your mind about him? Honestly?

Understand what “critical race theory” is and what it is about.
There was an entire campaign to “ban bossy”. That calling an assertive young woman “bossy” harmed her self-image and harmed her drive to be a leader.

Example:
While I’m an MRA and am hostile to attacks on men and boys, regardless of race and, dare I write, ‘sexual preference”, I bring this up as: if you think calling a girl “bossy” is devastating, what the heck do you think it does to entire demographic groups telling them there is something very, very wrong with them due to the demographic in which they were born and have been assigned?

Trump is fighting that sort of thing. And he should. I fear a Biden admin. Would bring it back.

A person should be able to leave school, get a job, and be able to afford to have a home and support a family. That is an economic goal. Regardless of demographics, this should be the priority. It seems to be one with Trump, but not with the establishment. So… I support him, as flawed as he is.

 

[Buyetyen]

Do you even watch legacy corporate media?

As in cable news? lol nope

Do you doubt that if Trump cured cancer, they'd be reporting, on behalf of that 1%, that he'd harmed the employment of cancer researchers? What are we even arguing about here? Are you writing you think the top 1% do not despise him given the hostile coverage he has received? If we have no argument there, your post makes no sense.

Your first question is hypothetical, delusional bullshit so I'm just going to skip it. What we're arguing is that Trump is a fuck-up, a bully, a narcissist and one of the worst presidents this country has ever had based on everything he's done. You are insisting the contrary based on nothing more than your personal feelings about the economy.

And no, I don't think the 1% despise Trump. He's deregulated their businesses and given them an undeserved, unnecessary tax cut. They may not like him personally, but he's every bit the grifting oligarch the rest of them are.

While I’m an MRA and am hostile to attacks on men and boys, regardless of race and, dare I write, ‘sexual preference”,

Translation: "I hate women and queers."

what the heck do you think it does to entire demographic groups telling them there is something very, very wrong with them due to the demographic in which they were born and have been assigned?

That's not what critical race theory is. You're problem is that you have no clue what you're talking about and believe that YT is an acceptable substitute for a thorough education in civics.

Trump is fighting that sort of thing.

Lol nope

A person should be able to leave school, get a job, and be able to afford to have a home and support a family. That is an economic goal. Regardless of demographics, this should be the priority. It seems to be one with Trump, but not with the establishment. So… I support him, as flawed as he is.

Translation: "Fuck you, I got mine."

 

[gorfias]

As in cable news? lol nope



Your first question is hypothetical, delusional bullshit so I'm just going to skip it. What we're arguing is that Trump is a fuck-up, a bully, a narcissist and one of the worst presidents this country has ever had based on everything he's done. You are insisting the contrary based on nothing more than your personal feelings about the economy.

And no, I don't think the 1% despise Trump. He's deregulated their businesses and given them an undeserved, unnecessary tax cut. They may not like him personally, but he's every bit the grifting oligarch the rest of them are.

Were you correct, and you are not, this sort of thing would not have happened: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/aug/06/new-york-times-front-page-headline-changed

 

[Buyetyen]

Were you correct, and you are not, this sort of thing would not have happened: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/aug/06/new-york-times-front-page-headline-changed

No, they changed it because that's not what he was doing. It's never been what he's done. You voted for bigotry, incivility, lawlessness and criminality because you wanted a tax cut.

 

[Thaluikhain]

what the heck do you think it does to entire demographic groups telling them there is something very, very wrong with them due to the demographic in which they were born and have been assigned?

That's some nice irony you've got going there.

 

[gorfias]

No, they changed it because that's not what he was doing. It's never been what he's done. You voted for bigotry, incivility, lawlessness and criminality because you wanted a tax cut.

Fighting Trump is an exercise in tribalism, graft, corporate inter-nationalism over country treachery. Forever wars, domestic strife, high crime rates, burning cities, and a cowed, terrified public. Those things should be fought.

That's some nice irony you've got going there.

He really is fighting this. Example: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-ends-critical-race-theory-training-federal-employees

 

[Buyetyen]

Fighting Trump is an exercise in tribalism, graft, corporate inter-nationalism over country treachery.

You're projecting again. What you just described is supporting Trump, not opposing him.

He really is fighting this. Example: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-ends-critical-race-theory-training-federal-employees

Great, so the fed won't know dick about non-white people except for whatever stereotypes they're exposed to via mass media. Can't possibly imagine any way that could do wrong.

Again, you don't know what critical race theory actually entails. You just know that you're scared shitless of it.

 

[gorfias]

You're projecting again. What you just described is supporting Trump, not opposing him.



Great, so the fed won't know dick about non-white people except for whatever stereotypes they're exposed to via mass media. Can't possibly imagine any way that could do wrong.

Again, you don't know what critical race theory actually entails. You just know that you're scared shitless of it.

I think it is dispicable enforced and subsicized racist bigotry and hatred for country that should be fought rather than subsidized. But at least now I can understand where you are coming from.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

F' This.

 

[ObsidianJones]

Understand what “critical race theory” is and what it is about.
There was an entire campaign to “ban bossy”. That calling an assertive young woman “bossy” harmed her self-image and harmed her drive to be a leader.

Example:
While I’m an MRA and am hostile to attacks on men and boys, regardless of race and, dare I write, ‘sexual preference”, I bring this up as: if you think calling a girl “bossy” is devastating, what the heck do you think it does to entire demographic groups telling them there is something very, very wrong with them due to the demographic in which they were born and have been assigned?

Trump is fighting that sort of thing. And he should. I fear a Biden admin. Would bring it back.

A person should be able to leave school, get a job, and be able to afford to have a home and support a family. That is an economic goal. Regardless of demographics, this should be the priority. It seems to be one with Trump, but not with the establishment. So… I support him, as flawed as he is.

I've been meaning to touch on something for a bit here. You've been saying for a long period of time that "Trump could cure Cancer and people wouldn't report on it".

Two things about that.

1.) Trump couldn't cure cancer. He does not have the intelligence. And this isn't a slag on him, but he's just not a doctor or a scientist. But What would happen if the cure for Cancer happened during his term? He'd take credit for it. He would provide a link to a fund that he signed and said due to his efforts, the world is free from Cancer.

Ignoring that the cure from cancer actually came from decades upon decades of research and funding from other presidents. But because he was there at the finish line, all credit must go to him. That is the mad man his cult excuses.

2.) The most important thing about your statement is that he HAD a crisis that by his own words he ignored. And it lead to long term damage to the American people. You tell us to ignore Covid and judge him for other things. So, would it not be fair if we ignored him 'curing cancer' and judge him for other things still? This seems to be an arbitrary line that's drawn only when people aren't fair to Trump. Because we would all be in our rights that you set out by telling us that Covid should be ignored and Trump's three years should weigh as much if not more than his Covid Response.

Ok. Then who cares if he cured cancer?

But back to what you actually said to me.

A person should be able to go to school.

And Every Year, Trump attempted to make that harder.

2017

The Trump Administration’s Slow But Steady Undoing of the Department of Education

Here are seven alarming signs that President Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos are slowly but steadily making good on their promise to diminish the U.S. Department of Education.

www.americanprogress.org

2018

Trump’s Budget Proposes More Than $200 Billion in Cuts to Students

President Trump’s tax cuts rewarded people born into wealth. Now he wants to pay for it by making it harder for millions of low- and middle-income Americans to afford college.

www.americanprogress.org

2019

White House wants 12 percent cut in education spending

Congressional appropriators have rejected previous White House calls to cut student aid. New budget plan also backs congressional deal on "risk sharing" for colleges.

www.insidehighered.com

2020

New From NEA | NEA

educationvotes.nea.org

A person should be able to have a home.

And Every Year, Trump attempted to make that harder.

2017

Trump seeks sharp cuts to housing aid, except for program that brings him millions

Trump’s budget proposes massive cuts to HUD programs. One of the few programs spared from steep cuts is a project-based rental assistance program that Trump personally profits from.

democracycollaborative.org

2018

UPDATE: President Trump Calls For Drastic Cuts To Affordable Housing, February 12, 2018

President Donald Trump’s Fiscal Year 2019 budget request — released today — proposes drastic cuts to housing benefits that help millions of low income seniors, people with disabilities, families with children, veterans, and other vulnerable people afford their homes.

nlihc.org

2019

The Trump Administration's Impact on Public and Assisted Housing

President Trump continues to propose budget cuts to already underfunded federal affordable housing programs, threatening the living situations for poor Americans.

www.americanbar.org

2020

Trump boasts of pushing low-income housing out of suburbs

The connection between the president’s denigration of low-income housing and racial segregation was not lost on his critics.

www.politico.com

A person should be able to afford to support their family.

And Every Chance he could get, Trump has fought that.

Lawsuit to stop Trump from slashing U.S. farm worker pay

A lawsuit filed on Wednesday (Oct. 14) in Fresno federal court by the United Farm Workers and UFW Foundation alleges that a scant one-page notice recently issued by Donald Trump’s secretary of agriculture, Sonny Perdue, will “send ripple effects throughout the farm labor market, ultimately...

www.ufwfoundation.org

Trump’s disappearing populism was on full display at Thursday’s debate

From the minimum wage to taxes, he’s a boring Republican now.

www.vox.com

Trump’s Labor Department walks away from wage theft

Studies show that workers — especially those on the lowest end of the pay scale — are annually cheated out of billions of dollars of pay they’re entitled to under federal law.

thehill.com

Trump's Top Labor Official Opposes Minimum Wage Increase

Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta said May 1 that he doesn’t support a change to the federal $7.25 minimum wage, signaling that the Trump administration’s top labor official would advise the president not to sign any bill raising the nationwide pay floor.

news.bloomberglaw.com

By your own metrics and the presidents own words, not to mention his Covid Response lead to the biggest job loss of any president heading to an election

Lastly, you can not say "Regardless of Demographics" as just tossing out the idea truly makes an equal and fair footing for everyone. Look at these articles. See who actually are affected by these things. You can not say 'Regardless of Demographics' when these actions by Trump were targeted to certain demographics.

 

[happyninja42]

That's 3 Ss more than 11 words. Though, if you remove just 1 S and squint it sorta works as well.

Given the people that support trump, I think SS is the precise number of letters needed to describe it.

 

[gorfias]

I've been meaning to touch on something for a bit here. You've been saying for a long period of time that "Trump could cure Cancer and people wouldn't report on it".

Two things about that.

1.) Trump couldn't cure cancer. He does not have the intelligence. And this isn't a slag on him, but he's just not a doctor or a scientist. But What would happen if the cure for Cancer happened during his term? He'd take credit for it. He would provide a link to a fund that he signed and said due to his efforts, the world is free from Cancer.

Ignoring that the cure from cancer actually came from decades upon decades of research and funding from other presidents. But because he was there at the finish line, all credit must go to him. That is the mad man his cult excuses.

2.) The most important thing about your statement is that he HAD a crisis that by his own words he ignored. And it lead to long term damage to the American people. You tell us to ignore Covid and judge him for other things. So, would it not be fair if we ignored him 'curing cancer' and judge him for other things still? This seems to be an arbitrary line that's drawn only when people aren't fair to Trump. Because we would all be in our rights that you set out by telling us that Covid should be ignored and Trump's three years should weigh as much if not more than his Covid Response.

Ok. Then who cares if he cured cancer?

But back to what you actually said to me.

A person should be able to go to school.

And Every Year, Trump attempted to make that harder.

2017

The Trump Administration’s Slow But Steady Undoing of the Department of Education

Here are seven alarming signs that President Trump and Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos are slowly but steadily making good on their promise to diminish the U.S. Department of Education.

www.americanprogress.org

2018

Trump’s Budget Proposes More Than $200 Billion in Cuts to Students

President Trump’s tax cuts rewarded people born into wealth. Now he wants to pay for it by making it harder for millions of low- and middle-income Americans to afford college.

www.americanprogress.org

2019

White House wants 12 percent cut in education spending

Congressional appropriators have rejected previous White House calls to cut student aid. New budget plan also backs congressional deal on "risk sharing" for colleges.

www.insidehighered.com

2020

New From NEA | NEA

educationvotes.nea.org

A person should be able to have a home.

And Every Year, Trump attempted to make that harder.

2017

Trump seeks sharp cuts to housing aid, except for program that brings him millions

Trump’s budget proposes massive cuts to HUD programs. One of the few programs spared from steep cuts is a project-based rental assistance program that Trump personally profits from.

democracycollaborative.org

2018

UPDATE: President Trump Calls For Drastic Cuts To Affordable Housing, February 12, 2018

President Donald Trump’s Fiscal Year 2019 budget request — released today — proposes drastic cuts to housing benefits that help millions of low income seniors, people with disabilities, families with children, veterans, and other vulnerable people afford their homes.

nlihc.org

2019

The Trump Administration's Impact on Public and Assisted Housing

President Trump continues to propose budget cuts to already underfunded federal affordable housing programs, threatening the living situations for poor Americans.

www.americanbar.org

2020

Trump boasts of pushing low-income housing out of suburbs

The connection between the president’s denigration of low-income housing and racial segregation was not lost on his critics.

www.politico.com

A person should be able to afford to support their family.

And Every Chance he could get, Trump has fought that.

Lawsuit to stop Trump from slashing U.S. farm worker pay

A lawsuit filed on Wednesday (Oct. 14) in Fresno federal court by the United Farm Workers and UFW Foundation alleges that a scant one-page notice recently issued by Donald Trump’s secretary of agriculture, Sonny Perdue, will “send ripple effects throughout the farm labor market, ultimately...

www.ufwfoundation.org

Trump’s disappearing populism was on full display at Thursday’s debate

From the minimum wage to taxes, he’s a boring Republican now.

www.vox.com

Trump’s Labor Department walks away from wage theft

Studies show that workers — especially those on the lowest end of the pay scale — are annually cheated out of billions of dollars of pay they’re entitled to under federal law.

thehill.com

Trump's Top Labor Official Opposes Minimum Wage Increase

Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta said May 1 that he doesn’t support a change to the federal $7.25 minimum wage, signaling that the Trump administration’s top labor official would advise the president not to sign any bill raising the nationwide pay floor.

news.bloomberglaw.com

By your own metrics and the presidents own words, not to mention his Covid Response lead to the biggest job loss of any president heading to an election

Lastly, you can not say "Regardless of Demographics" as just tossing out the idea truly makes an equal and fair footing for everyone. Look at these articles. See who actually are affected by these things. You can not say 'Regardless of Demographics' when these actions by Trump were targeted to certain demographics.

Lot of links I'd like to review and don't want you thinking I am not checking them out... it's going to take a bit.
But long story short, again, money talks, etc.
Trump works to put money in everyone's pockets through better employment numbers and rising wages for the first time in generations. Democrats had the opportunity to do this and failed, I think, by design. They prefer people cowed, frightened and obedient. A wealthy populace would not be so obedient and I think they fear that.
As for COVID, I've written multiple times, if anything, he over-reacted or, was obligated by the division of powers that he respected and a Biden may not, allowed others to over react. Sweden did NOT have our lock downs and masks. Stats internationally suggest none of this should have been done. But that's an argument for another thread.

 

[Buyetyen]

But long story short, again, money talks, etc.

Translation: "Fuck you, I got mine."

As for COVID, I've written multiple times, if anything, he over-reacted or, was obligated by the division of powers that he respected and a Biden may not, allowed others to over react. Sweden did NOT have our lock downs and masks. Stats internationally suggest none of this should have been done. But that's an argument for another thread.

Everything in this quote is factually incorrect except for Sweden dropping the ball.

 

[happyninja42]

Translation: "Fuck you, I got mine."



Everything in this quote is factually incorrect except for Sweden dropping the ball.

If money talks, well, trump is in debt, so does that mean he should shut the fuck up perhaps? I'd be down for that.

 

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