A review of the Trump Presidency

[Buyetyen]

You realize you are not refuting the central point of the article.

The central part of article was an assertion made without evidence. That is literally all I need to say about it.

Here's another with the same stat.

Trump Wins Highest Percent of Nonwhite Voters of Any Republican in 60 Years

Trump has received 26 percent of votes from nonwhite voters, according to preliminary data from exit polls conducted by Edison Research for the National Election Pool.

www.newsweek.com

Sure, they're all untrustworthy. Hard for even them to screw up some easy to understand matters.

It's not the stat. It's the causality you assign to it. You are asserting a reason for these numbers that you cannot prove.

 

[ObsidianJones]

You realize you are not refuting the central point of the article. Here's another with the same stat.

Trump Wins Highest Percent of Nonwhite Voters of Any Republican in 60 Years

Trump has received 26 percent of votes from nonwhite voters, according to preliminary data from exit polls conducted by Edison Research for the National Election Pool.

www.newsweek.com

Sure, they're all untrustworthy. Hard for even them to screw up some easy to understand matters.

Oh, I one hundred percent believe that more Minority people voted for Trump.

A friend of mine went to his barber who was latino who was enraged the Trump didn't win.

In an area that saw ICE raids. And harassments by Trump supporters.

Minorities can vote against their interests just as hard as the Majority. 55% of White women STILL voted for Trump. Even after what he's done against women's interest.

Women Have Paid the Price for Trump’s Regulatory Agenda

The Trump administration has issued dozens of regulations that have threatened women’s progress and cost them billions—revealing a fundamental disregard for women.

www.americanprogress.org

I know I supply a lot of links, so I'll just hit the highlights they provide. Anyone can read further if they are so inclined.

-Threatening private abortion coverage.
-Undermining the ACA’s birth control benefit.
-Eroding equal pay by halting pay data collection on the EEO-1 form.
-Weakening Title IX and putting students at greater risk of sexual harassment and assault.
-Dismantling the nation’s Title X family planning network.
-Eliminating key nondiscrimination protections in health care.
-Limiting an increase in the overtime threshold.

 

[Agema]

I keep reviewing this matter with people that vacillate back and forth between 2 points: either this great economy is just a continuation of the Obama economy, or it is just my lying perception and that the economy actually sucks. And back again.

Under no circumstances can anyone reasonably describe the Trump economy (at least as measured by common metrics like unemployment and raw GDP growth) as bad. That really was his ace: things were going well. At least until covid-19. I just don't believe it was that brilliant either.

But - and this applies to the majority of national leaders - what did he actually do? A lot of day to day economic activity is the work of national banks, and the Federal Reserve is independent. It is largely corporations and private individuals that create jobs, invest, etc. and by and large, they are left to it. Governments can borrow money and splurge for short term economic gain, but this is surely not wise when the going's good and the country owes about 100% GDP. Major infrastructure projects can lay the ground for future gains, but they'll appear a lot later when the roads are finished. Regulations could be changed in certain ways, and so on.

And in the end, what can you say Trump actually changed that made a difference: apart, that is from putting a load of debt on the nation's credit card?

Trump over saw an economy Obama said would require a magic wand.

But that's not what Obama said. The evidence is right up there on video.

Meanwhile, economists warned Trump would cause the stock market to crash. His policies would cause a global recession. The opposite happened.

The economy has done far better than predicted. I give the guy credit for it.

I reiterate: he didn't do anything!

It's smoke and mirrors. Lots of talk, and just a few cosmetic policies, such as a renegotiated NAFTA worth a few pennies here and there.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

It's cheaper to have us all have health problems and ruined drinking water than it is to actually just be decent human beings.

This is Republican business policy: Privatize the profits; socialize the losses. Why force corporations to pollute less when you can just force citizens to adapt to polluted air?

 

[Hades]

Ever since 2016, Trump has been slammed in front-page articles every single day it seems like. It seems that people are obsessed with trying to attack Trump, and they aren't willing to actually admit his accomplishments.

Trump gets a lot of criticism because he simply does a lot, a LOT of things that deserve fierce criticism. Its really that simple.

Its a common theme with demagogues. They lie, they cheat, they proudly foster corruption, enact damaging policies and break political norms. And then after all that their supporters seriously ask,

''Why is the media so critical of them!? Is it because they have an agenda!?''

Now I would grant you that the media likely really despises Trump. Why wouldn't they when he repeatedly demonizes them for doing their job?

 

[Houseman]

Now I would grant you that the media likely really despises Trump. Why wouldn't they when he repeatedly demonizes them for doing their job?

And that's why I can't trust that their criticism of him is deserved.

 

[Shadyside]

And that's why I can't trust that their criticism of him is deserved.

About 90% percent of it is justified, warranted, and obvious. The other 10% of it is annoying and sometimes shallow.

 

[Bartholen]

And that's why I can't trust that their criticism of him is deserved.

Tell me, what media criticisms leveled at Trump do you specifically feel are/were undeserved? The racism? The cozying up to dictators? The almost starting of world war 3? The astronomical fuck-up with Covid? The hypocrisy? The rape allegations?

 

[Houseman]

Tell me, what media criticisms leveled at Trump do you specifically feel are/were undeserved? The racism? The cozying up to dictators? The almost starting of world war 3? The astronomical fuck-up with Covid? The hypocrisy? The rape allegations?

I'll make it easy and just say all of it. None of it is deserved.

 

[Hades]

I'll make it easy and just say all of it. None of it is deserved.

Oh wow. This should be something.

Why isn't it deserved? What did an openly corrupt businessman do to deserve you just dismissing all his wrongdoings?

 

[Shadyside]

So what were his actual accomplishments?

 

[Houseman]

Why isn't it deserved? What did an openly corrupt businessman do to deserve you just dismissing all his wrongdoings?

So what were his actual accomplishments?

The fact that you (and probably any normal person) know 100 things Trump has done wrong but none of what his actual accomplishments were is why I don't think the criticism against Trump is deserved.

Opinion | A Fact-Checked List of Trump Accomplishments (Published 2020)

It’s been circulating on social media for months. Here’s what I found when I looked into these claims.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Shadyside]

I wouldn't be surprised if Melania divorced him.

 

[Hades]

The fact that you (and probably any normal person) know 100 things Trump has done wrong but none of what his actual accomplishments were is why I don't think the criticism against Trump is deserved.

Opinion | A Fact-Checked List of Trump Accomplishments (Published 2020)

It’s been circulating on social media for months. Here’s what I found when I looked into these claims.

www.nytimes.com

But accomplishments and failures are two different things. Every leader has both, but if the failures vastly outnumber the accomplishments then that is something that leader shall be defined by.

The issue is not that Trump doesn't have a single accomplishment. Its that these accomplishments are outnumbered and undermined by all the instances Trump failed, fostered corruption or deliberately sabotaged things. Trump having accomplishments simply doesn't mean that the many reasons to criticize him are rendered undeserved.

 

[Agema]

I wouldn't be surprised if Melania divorced him.

Allegedly she used the earlier part of the presidency (when she was in NY and him in DC) to renegotiate her pre-nup. If she got a much better deal, quite possibly. I mean, Trump has absolutely trashed their NY social life.

 

[Houseman]

But accomplishments and failures are two different things. Every leader has both, but if the failures vastly outnumber the accomplishments then that is something that leader shall be defined by.

I don't believe that those "failures" actually exist. I don't believe that the media is telling me the truth.

During Obama's administration, did you notice the constant criticism from Fox News? Allegations of being Muslim or not having a birth certificate or that birth certificate being fake? Did you think that was deserved?

Edit:
For example


Keith Boykin says in his bio: "CNN commentator. New York Times bestselling author. Dartmouth. Harvard Law. Columbia IRAAS. Former White House aide."

You tell me, was this shot at Trump deserved or not?

 

[Hades]

I don't believe that those "failures" actually exist. I don't believe that the media is telling me the truth.

During Obama's administration, did you notice the constant criticism from Fox News? Allegations of being Muslim or not having a birth certificate or that birth certificate being fake? Did you think that was deserved?

Apples and oranges. There simply wasn't any reason to believe Obama was secretly a Muslim. If anything he seems a more openly devout Christian then Trump. The nonsense about his birth certificate also stemmed primarily from him being black. These are fake controversies and they deserve ridicule.

With Trump that's different. He's criticized for very real things. Not wacky conspiracy theories but concrete policies or acts of corruption. We can criticize him for cutting regulations because he indeed cut a lot of regulations. We can criticism him from profiting off the presidency because he makes government employees pay to guard him at his own properties. We can criticize Trump's trying to blackmail Ukraine because he really did cancel vital aid Ukraine needed to survive moments before asking the to investigate his electoral rival.

With Obama the criticism stems from him being black or supposedly anti American. With Trump it stems from things he actually did. Now there are fairer things to compare the two by. Criticism Obama for being a dangerous Muslim or a radical socialist is gibberish, but you CAN criticize him for his drone policies or starting the cages at the border, even if to a massively smaller extend then Trump did.

 

[gorfias]

About 90% percent of it is justified, warranted, and obvious. The other 10% of it is annoying and sometimes shallow.

I like that they are at least doing the job of being skeptical of him. They've protected Biden. If Biden does become POTUS, which seems increasingly likely, rather than be adversarial, they will be his defenders. Will we lose a skeptical press to keep Biden from excesses? I think, at this rate, we will see.

I reiterate: he didn't do anything!

It's smoke and mirrors. Lots of talk, and just a few cosmetic policies, such as a renegotiated NAFTA worth a few pennies here and there.

He worked to keep us out of new, potentially harmful agreements, such as the Paris Climate Accords. Biden will likely get us back into them. I do not think the accords will make for a better climate/environment/curb of pollution. It will simply shift jobs to China, that will not comply and in relative terms, become that much more attractive to global investors.

I think we're going to get a chance to see. Biden is in a good position at this time. By mid December, we will know if we have a different POTUS or not.

Oh, I one hundred percent believe that more Minority people voted for Trump.

Minorities can vote against their interests just as hard as the Majority. 55% of White women STILL voted for Trump. Even after what he's done against women's interest.

Too true that people are conned into voting against their own interest. The book, "What's the Matter with Kansas" is based upon that.
I am personally in a weird place. I think I benefit from things that are bad and wrong for the country and fairness. The systems as it is benefits mediocrities. A low IQ Kennedy can essentially buy credentials while others can find it difficult to legit earn them.

I think Biden may become our next POTUS. I fear this. But, yeah. We can hope he is successful and helps make things better.

 

[Houseman]

...but you CAN criticize him for his drone policies...

See my edit above. Funny how that CNN guy didn't mention that when he compared Trump to Obama when it came to executions. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. The logic appears to be "Trump did it, so it was bad". A prisoner is given the death penalty? "Trump did it? Bad." Wanna hear what the criminal did to deserve it? "No, Trump did it so it's bad. Also it's racist because the prisoner was black and the jurors were white. End of story."

How you view the wacky conspiracy theories about Obama is similar to how I view what you call "deserved criticism" against Trump.
When you focus on only the bad and don't mention the good, you paint a biased, inaccurate picture. Let's say that Trump cut a regulation. The first one I could find was about fishing. Trump deregulates fishing a bit

How the US media would spin that story: "THE OCEAN IS DYING, FISH ARE GOING EXTINCT, AND POLLUTION IS WORSE NOW THANKS TO TRUMP!"
How AP would report the story: "People can fish in more places now. This could create X new jobs, and raise the income of the community by Y. Activists are concerned about pollution"

There's no "good news, bad news, balanced view" with 24/7 Trump coverage, it's always "bad news, bad person, everything bad". I cannot believe that is the truth.

 

[Bartholen]

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This is like a microcosm of every deluded, brainwashed way Trump supporters act when confronted with criticism: give anecote that provokes an emotional response, pivot to Obama, then put economy above everything else no matter what. You genuinely believe that no criticism of Trump is valid or warranted, from any source. Note that I didn't say "from CNN" or mention mainstream media at all. You unequivocally support a fascist, criminal, anti-democratic, conspiracy-peddling, dictator-worshipping, rapist during whose term more people have died from a perfectly preventable cause than the Vietnam, Korean and First World Wars combined. You are a repulsive person.