Says the one who likes to derail threads and start shit. Glad to know you're talking about yourself on the sound and fury thing. Good work on that self-awareness.
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New Call of Duty game let's players be Non-binary
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Glad you're referring to yourself, cuz you need all the dignity and grace you can get with the way you've always been acting on these fourms. I'm done here. You and your ego have nothing else to say that's important to me. Good day.
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The issue is that if you can make trans/non-binary people not valid in real life, you have your answer about its validity in a game
Validity is so often thrown around by the trans community and I don't understand it. Are they demanding validation that there mental issues are real? Believe me everyone knows it's valid you have nothing to prove there.
Or are they trying to prove that their lifestyle is a valid one? In which case you don't need anyone else to validate your existence. Just exist and live your life, that should be validity enough regardless of what other people think.
Or if validity do they really mean "acceptance"? Because that's a much harder thing to get the overall populace to accept. I think it's mostly due to the view that the trans/non-binary behaviors come across as quite crazy thoughts. Getting someone to accept your desire to rip your genital's apart is not as easy an idea to get across to people as loving someone the same sex as yourself. And people have only recently truly started to accept homosexuality. Transgenderism and non-binary ideals are a whole other level beyond homosexuality.
Still you shouldnt need other people to validate your existence if you are simply living the life you want, and that life doesn't fuck with other people.
As you know, I'm not particularly believing in the non-binary thing and I am not understanding of the trans process either. However, as my OP says, an option for those people to feel included into a game is no big deal to me. And if being non-binary or trans makes someone happy, then I would rather they be happy over me being understanding, if that makes sense.
Actually, we have people stating that just mentioning that Transgender people exist, that it's a LGBTQ agenda trying to confuse our children to adopting a different life style.
Like I think a few people in this thread has said the same.
When I was younger and told about the LGBTQ, I never thought "Oh, cool! Where do I sign up?!" or "Since I know about it, I guess I have to start liking guys"
I was more like "Cool. Hope they are happy".
I think we're mostly all like that. But the few children who can be 'talked into that' can possibly be talked into joining a cult by the 'true messiah' later. So yeah.
Validity determines the laws that are made about you. Or whether you get to exist in media. Validity is also a spectrum. You aren't understanding but aren't willing to put laws in place to stop it because... well you better answer. I assume that it might have to do with the fact that liberal, letting people do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. Or maybe you understand that maybe your wrong and are waiting and seeing. Either you not validating them has no bearing because you aren't trying to force them to act a certain way.
There ARE a bunch of people who invalidate people and then go out of their way to scrub them from existence. So your assumption that people's validation doesn't matter is not true. If people acted more like you it wouldn't. That's not how the world works.
Eg. The new laws from some states about being able to ban contraception in work medical cover due to religious reasons. It is Very important that validity matters around contraception because they will literally ban it.
I would say validity shouldn't matter. But unfortunately it does
When was the last time a gang of SJWs dragged someone to get gender reassignment?
Ehm..I never said that. I said culture influences people. At any point in time people hold different beliefs. That doesn't mean people change, but the times do. And ofcourse this has an effect on how people see themselves and how they percieve the expectations attributed to a specific gender. Gender reassignment is really about the sense of self and that is never in isolation but always a product of the environment. And again, if people really are happier after such a procedure then by all means it's good that the option exist. But at the same time there is a risk alienated youth will start to closely identify with these thought processes as well, in particular when culture has normalized it. But I guess time will tell how accurate the selection criteria is.
I'd engage with a view that said any fictional version would necessarily reflect the views and intentions of the creator, which will inherently be a subjective one that would not meet some people's preferences.
"Propaganda" is an absurdity. It is an assumption of creator purpose without evidence, or even a failure to grasp creator purpose. It is meaningless as any portrayal of any sort would also need to be described as propaganda, in that it reflects the views and intentions of the creator, whatever they may be. It is tantamount to saying everything is propaganda, and merely destroying understanding of what propaganda is. And then there is also the hypocrisy, that the charge of propaganda is levelled only at a vision that offends the individual making the accusation.
The whole game is propaganda. It's telling men how they should live. Machoism etc. It's just propaganda Houseman likes
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Ugh, you have a decent point here especially under Reagan who was totally willing to ignore the aids epidemic till his friend Rock Hudson died from complications related to it and till then the closest they got to doing anything was calling it the "gay plague". It would be cool if you had to play a nonbinary (or gay, just do gay since that would work better) character and part of it was making sure no one else found out about it since you would be forced out of the service. So a stealth game where you had to avoid your own side at times also.
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It puts me in mind of the multicultural squad that Captain America had in the Captain America movie. I didn't like how they pretty much ignored the racism at the time, I mean they should have addressed the racism since from Caps personality I can see him not liking that shit and that being part of his motivation and giving additional depth to who he is and what he believes he is and what he thinks America should be.
My issue has always been the arbitrary line of which people draw to limit 'being authentic with a fictional premise in a real life setting' and 'IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS WAY!!!'
Agent Russel Alder isn't a real person. Are we ok with that falsehood? Let's proceed.
Qasim Javadi isn't a real person. Still ok with that Falsehood? Ok, Proceed.
Operation Greenlight wasn't a thing. Falsehood. Proceed.
An agent was non Cis... WAIT A FUCKING MINUTE, WHAT KIND OF BS IS THIS?!?!
I don't think Reagan was a saint. Hell, I don't think many agents at that time strayed from Jason Bourne mold during the 80's unless certain countries needed to be infiltrated. Was there LGBTQ agents? 100%. Would it be spoken out loud? Don't know. But if we're ok with Operation Greenlight and we can't be ok with other parts of fiction, what the hell are we even doing? Just make a video game about actual events if people can't handle flights of fancy. And if you can handle other made up events that didn't happen at that time, then you can handle one more.
Because none of that contradicts established history. The agent being non-binary as an official designation that the CIA recognizes, does.
The rules of the secret history genre are simple.
We can be okay with fiction as long as it doesn't contradict established history.
So, while this is not related precisely to this topic, I think it fits good enough.
I was thinking, do transgender people identify more as transgender than the sex they wish to transition to?
Because that is the only way it makes sense for someone to choose to be transgender and not just the sex they feel they should have been born as in a game, right?
Nonbinary I guess is different cause that doesn't identify with neither so picking it over either sex is at least internaly consistent but in self insert character creation games when for example you have people complaining that you can't play a trans dude with a female voice in cyberpunk 2077, that just makes me think why wouldn't they just make the char they wish to play as be who they should have been. Wanting NPCs and other chars in the story to be trans is one thing but if the char you play and you wish to identify with is in question, I'd figure someone trans wouldn't wanna be suffering the same dysphoria and whatnnot in a game too, they'd rather actually experience what it's like to be the other sex as best as possible.
I guess it has value in a sheer roleplaying sense, but it is never through this angle that this case is made. People aren't complaining about limited roleplaying options, they're complaining about things like representation or identifying with the char, only those sorts of things. So that leads me to think that trans people identify more with being trans than with the sex they wish to have been, which kinda makes them their own separate thing at this point if we wanna follow that logic down the path it sets.
I was thinking, do transgender people identify more as transgender than the sex they wish to transition to?
Because that is the only way it makes sense for someone to choose to be transgender and not just the sex they feel they should have been born as in a game, right?
Nonbinary I guess is different cause that doesn't identify with neither so picking it over either sex is at least internaly consistent but in self insert character creation games when for example you have people complaining that you can't play a trans dude with a female voice in cyberpunk 2077, that just makes me think why wouldn't they just make the char they wish to play as be who they should have been. Wanting NPCs and other chars in the story to be trans is one thing but if the char you play and you wish to identify with is in question, I'd figure someone trans wouldn't wanna be suffering the same dysphoria and whatnnot in a game too, they'd rather actually experience what it's like to be the other sex as best as possible.
I guess it has value in a sheer roleplaying sense, but it is never through this angle that this case is made. People aren't complaining about limited roleplaying options, they're complaining about things like representation or identifying with the char, only those sorts of things. So that leads me to think that trans people identify more with being trans than with the sex they wish to have been, which kinda makes them their own separate thing at this point if we wanna follow that logic down the path it sets.