Election results discussion thread (and sadly the inevitable aftermath)

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Houseman

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Oh man of the past, for whom reality is scary, we here in the future are not afraid. What you think is a discrepancy is actually just a poor understanding of numbers.
See registered Democrats asked for 1941436 mail-in ballots and of those registered Democrats 1702623 returned them, and for simplicity's sake we're gonna assume they voted for Biden.
Now Biden got 1995691 mail in ballots total. This is a different number than 1702623, you are correct in that. However the numbers are not a count of the same thing.
One is the returned mail-in ballots of registered Democrats, the other is a total of state-wide, multiple parties returned mail-in ballots. We here in the future refer to this as "Two different things". We coined the term on the 15th I think, many days after the time-warp brought you to us, so you wouldn't have heard of "Two different things".
What a coincidence, then, that Matt Braynard, in his efforts to speak to actual people who were registered as voting, found significant numbers of people who never requested ballots, or their ballots weren't counted, or their ballots were counted when they claimed to have never sent one in, or people fraudulently registered impossible addresses as residences. Maybe that's that other different thing you're talking about.
 

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I'm sure if we checked the percentages of "flipped votes" where non-democrats request ballots and then vote democrat, I'm sure it would be significantly higher than every other year in history, by a YUGE margin.
So, once again, it's just an appeal to incredulity. People can't possibly feel differently to you about how the last four years have gone, so they can't have voted the way the numbers show.
 

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So, once again, it's just an appeal to incredulity. People can't possibly feel differently to you about how the last four years have gone, so they can't have voted the way the numbers show.
What a coincidence, then, that Matt Braynard, in his efforts to speak to actual people who were registered as voting, found significant numbers of people who never requested ballots, or their ballots weren't counted, or their ballots were counted when they claimed to have never sent one in, or people fraudulently registered impossible addresses as residences. Maybe that's that other different thing you're talking about.
An irregularity doesn't mean that a thing definitely did not happen. That would be an appeal to incredulity.
An irregularity should be investigated and checked out. An irregularity combined with multiple other irregularities should be deemed highly suspicious and checked out.

Like 100% of those 900 military ballots all allegedly voting for Biden:


Not impossible, just highly, highly unlikely and very suspicious.
 

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What a coincidence, then, that Matt Braynard, in his efforts to speak to actual people who were registered as voting, found significant numbers of people who never requested ballots, or their ballots weren't counted, or their ballots were counted when they claimed to have never sent one in, or people fraudulently registered impossible addresses as residences. Maybe that's that other different thing you're talking about.
Matt Braynard himself describes the numbers as "trace". The only way he's made it look significant is as a percentage of the people he's established contact with... and I've already explained how he massaged that statistic by only requesting a call-back from people who fit the data he's looking for.
 

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Matt Braynard himself describes the numbers as "trace"
He used the word "trace" to describe one aspect of one of his findings, the Low Activity Analysis.

His sentence was: "If you actually were running some kind of organized operation to cast ballots in other people's names, it would be unlikely for us to find a significant number. I think we would find trace amounts, which is what we're finding here"

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"Any day now" Trump will show proof of election fraud. Just like "any day now" he'll show proof of Obama being born in Kenya, or give details on his "big, beautiful healthcare plan", or build that wall.

Kinda funny how long a leash some people will allow themselves to be walked on.
 
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Oh man of the past, for whom research is tomorrow's problem, we here in the future call tomorrow today and we do research. The very "data" gathered by Matt Braynard was in fact not gathered by Matt Braynard, but instead by a college professor named Steven Miller. Mr. Miller also openly admits the data is flawed, and has disavowed it. Fear not knowledge man of the past, for it is the only way you will catch up to reality.

 

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The very "data" gathered by Matt Braynard was in fact not gathered by Matt Braynard, but instead by a college professor named Steven Miller. Mr. Miller also openly admits the data is flawed, and has disavowed it.
 

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He used the word "trace" to describe one aspect of one of his findings, the Low Activity Analysis.

His sentence was: "If you actually were running some kind of organized operation to cast ballots in other people's names, it would be unlikely for us to find a significant number. I think we would find trace amounts, which is what we're finding here"

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Ahhh, so it helps his case to find very little evidence! Very smart. That's some next-level stat-manipulation.
 

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Oh man of the past, for whom reality is filled with bias toward facts, fear not the words of ignorant! For in the very article I showed you the man himself who gathered the data, who saw his own data, says the data is flawed. Matt Braynard's claims the data is not flawed are ignorant, for the man who gathered the data says the data is flawed. And indeed Braynard's claim he didn't use Mr Miller or his work is also ignorant for he spoke of it!

"Matt Braynard, the director of the Voter Integrity Project, which conducted the survey, said Miller's conclusions are "indicative of a kind of problem that we're seeing not just in Pennsylvania but in many of the other states that are determining the outcome of this election."

"We're sharing our data for the other states so that Professor Miller can conduct a similar analysis on them, I look forward to seeing the results."
 

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For in the very article I showed you the man himself who gathered the data, who saw his own data, says the data is flawed
Matt bought the data directly from the states themselves. If the data that the states have is bad, then that's just even more grounds to claim that the election was conducted improperly.

What the other guy did was take his conclusion, and extrapolate it to the size of the population so as to get the "real" numbers.
He was criticized by people making claims about the data being biased. That's all the article says. Nobody said that the data Matt has was flawed, only that his methodology was, because it didn't take into account democrat voters.

However, any layperson can tell that not taking into account democrat voters is a non-issue. All he did was, prove that, as the article says: "we have a large number of people who had a ballot requested in their name but say they did not request it, and we have a large number of people who said they mailed their ballot back but it was not counted."

That's indisputable.
 

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Oh man of the past, for whom the legal system and the definition of "indisputable" are someone else's concerns, fear not knowing things. We here in the future take pride in out understanding of words, and their meanings.
What you call "indisputable" is by definition not only in dispute, its also not proven to be true. What you have in claims for people who claim other have claimed something, and therefore that something happened. We in the future have come to the radical conclusion of having to prove something, specifically in court, under threat of perjury. And we also came to the conclusion that the very people who were called by the Voter Integrity Fund say the calls are misleading, and that they assume anyone who even answer the phone had a fraudulent ballot cast.

 

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And we also came to the conclusion that the very people who were called by the Voter Integrity Fund say the calls are misleading, and that they assume anyone who even answer the phone had a fraudulent ballot cast.

Yes, you have a twitter user saying "this seems sketchy"! Wow, time to throw the whole thing out!

That was sarcasm. Do you still have sarcasm in your time period?
 

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"Any day now" Trump will show proof of election fraud. Just like "any day now" he'll show proof of Obama being born in Kenya, or give details on his "big, beautiful healthcare plan", or build that wall.
I can't even remember if we're still waiting for him to release his tax returns.
 

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...I don't know, do they still have irony in yours?
We shouldn't mock the man from the past. He is lost and scared; frightened of a world filled with facts, and understandably upset he has to relearn a lot. The best we can do for him is continue to disprove his theories. He's only 3 weeks behind us, he'll catch up sooner or later and realize all the hoaxes he believes are hoaxes.
 
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