Yes, exactly. Exploration is not "make one decision and stick with it for the rest of your life". That was my entire point. Once you introduce drugs and surgery into the mix, and permanent side-effects, it stops being exploration and starts being going down a road you can't come back from. That's like "exploring" pregnancy... or heroin.
Is it?
Again I'd argue that not using the treatment can have side effects that are equally as bad and permanent if the person
is trans, again how is making the wrong choice for them deliberately any less dubious?
How do you know they will doubt it or regret it?
Why is it wrong to argue in favour of normalising it and stopping people from being judgemental so that medical and psychological treatment can be more widely available and less stigmatised?
Well, I don't think children should have the choice to do heroin. I think the harms are much much worse than the benefits. I hope you don't think I'm a bigot for thinking that.
I never said I was in favour of it either, my point is that they still have that choice, whether you like it or not and it's a life-changing choice and there's nothing you can do to stop it, you're drawing a false equivalence here, all I'm saying is that this claim this claim that kids don't make life-changing choices for better or good is absolutely false and maybe instead of treating them like fucking idiots we should try teaching them to really think about those choices and their consequences.
Speaking generally, don't think they have the capacity to, nor do I think they should have to.
There's so much that society doesn't allow children to do, for this very reason. Vote, smoke, drink, do drugs (especially the illegal kinds), not go to school, go to war, consent to having sex with adults, etc... "Children should be allowed to do whatever they want!" is a bad argument that has been rejected by nearly every country and government in the world. The matter is already settled.
Ah a very stupid argument, prohibiting it doesn't in reality stop them from making that choice you know, but anyways please explain to me how trying to solve a Physical and Mental health issue with medical treatment is equivalent to vices.
The very premise of your argument implies that being transgender is on the same level of danger and immorality as those issues.
Also it had been mentioned previously that influencers explain sometimes how to talk to medical professionals to acquire a positive result, to address this issue it's important to recognise that the main reason why it's happening is that many countries do not recognise non-binary identities as well a homosexual trans people with binary identities as being eligible for medical transition as such if they want access to it they are forced to lie, so this is a problem that has more to do with the acceptance of these identities by the medical and political communities, it depends on region though, so to prevent that phenomenon these identities need to be equally recognised.
Children CAN'T make decisions that's the whole point!
I've already explained how they can and do in fact make choices, life changing choices all the time.
How did you know you were cis?
I dunno, cis is a brand new label for things apparently and i don't even know exactly what it means. So I'm not cis, I'm a straight dude and that's what I identify as.
Sheesh, no need to be such a crybaby it's just simple use of language to avoid having to formulate the question differently for both men and women as I was aiming it to everyone in the thread not just you, how do you recommend I refer to it instead?
Do you have a better word to use?
When I was in 7th grade and a couple of twin girls showed up to school rocking a brand new set of DD's and I thought they where the most glorious girls in all the land!
That's more discovering that you like women, based on that explanation there's as much chance of being a lesbian as there is of being straight.
So you thought of yourself as completely genderless before that point?
You felt like I felt, alienated and weird that you had to fit inside those boxes, that you were encouraged to act in a certain manner based on your genitals, that you were probably not human because you felt like nothing?
Also you were like 12 when you knew this, why can't 12 year old trans kids know the same thing?
If people had told you all your life that you are something you're not, how would you feel about it?
I dunno people keep calling me "cis" when i don't agree with them in gender debates. Also as someone bullied throughout my schooling years (back when Fa***ot was the goto insult) I just kinda stopped paying attention to it. I guess I don't have a mind like a puddle of cottage cheese that looses all it's shape the moment something upsets it.
Lacking all forms of self-reflection I see, not surprising most of your arguments are so shallow or idiotic, particularly hilarious while you're throwing a tantrum over being called cis, seems pretty obvious to me that being referred to as something you don't identify as upsets you, seems to me like your mind is made of cottage cheese.
But leaving my obvious baiting aside, I received all those insults too, but it's more complicated than that, it's now about being able to withstand insults, it's the fact that people kept telling me I was crazy, ironically made much less receptive to receiving psychological treatment I clearly needed because I wanted to demonstrate I was strong and resilient, and whatever those people said didn't affect me, even though in retrospect I've been having a horrifying identity crisis all my life, it took having crippling insomnia and hallucinations due to severe sleep deprivation for me to finally give up and go to the doctor and even more effort to recognise that it has anything to do with the state of my body, and it's not like I complained about it, it's not like I made a fuss about it, I just had this unnerving existential angst and crippling depression that I felt were completely normal, that I assumed were how people felt, and while I didn't always know what it was because the concept of transgender was so taboo where I grew up, I always knew that something was wrong with me, I've always been aware I'm different, it's not really the insults that get you, insults don't matter is the lack of recognition and education on trans issues that consumes you it's not knowing that the option even exists that does it.
That being said I'm privileged in a way as I am completely indifferent to pronouns and can be referred to with any and it doesn't upset me, to be honest not even "It" which implies I'm subhuman bothers, probably because I thought of myself as nothing for a long time.
If you were to magically become "opposite" gender (As if that's a thing) would you be what it's expected of that gender or would you continue to be yourself?
What the hell does this even mean? You mean magically as if I could biologically be a woman tomorrow with a functioning uterus and breeding capability? Or just magically feel like a woman tomorrow but still have my floppy ugly ass man body?
It's a hypothetical scenario with no basis in reality, I'm simply trying to gauge if people believe we should conform to see if I can get people to empathise with the trans experience, ironically using a binary scenario even though that isn't my personal experience.
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