Hello, Elliot Page

[Hades]

Hello Elliot. Good for you!

 

[Wintermute]

I'm gonna blame Call of Duty for this.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

From Elliot's own mouth

Could do with more of that sort of inspirational strength in this pitiful tory terf island.

 

[Jarrito3002]

Good for Mr. Elliot.

I hope this acceptance lifts a huge boulder off his chest.

 

[Houseman]

I hope this acceptance lifts a huge boulder off his chest.

Or maybe just two smallish tangerines.

 

[Gordon_4]

Hey Elliot, beers in the fridge mate.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

I'm simply talking about people in this thread distressing over how the myriad combinations of identities "should" be referenced. It's an existential question, but a worrisome one? No; doesn't matter. People have been "slipping and falling" in stores and subsequently suing for eons; no surprise that some atypical gender identifiers can be manipulative assholes just like "regular" people. We can't make the exceptions indicative of the whole.

yeh but suing a store, a corporation unless it's a mom and Pop store = annoying but the stores likely have legal teams and things in place.
Suing a person as an individual = that person having to fight it often themselves with their money and time and having to go to the laywers often.

In the case of a store, the whole store doesn't shut down during the periods legal actions are underway or legal discussions. Sure a manager may be talking with lawyers but another manager is in the store keeping it running. In the case of suing a person your job won't keep paying you while you're not there due to legal issues, health issues sure but legal issues will be you using holiday time or unpaid leave.

You do realize those laws are for landlords or your boss right? Like so your landlord or boss can't harass you by constantly referring to you as the wrong gender or just being an insulting dick.

Which Gender will be applied though? The one on legal documents or the self identified one?

If you're an employer, then yes, it is a different discussion in terms of discrimination, but not one as potentially complex as you're "worst case-ing" it to be. Correct me if I'm wrong, but gender fluid people aren't chameleons; they don't change from moment to moment; they don't come to work on Monday as a straight man and show up on Tuesday as a lesbian woman, and I don't think the vast majority are throwing it in everyone's face, daring people to misrepresent them for spiteful, litigious purposes. I'm sure there were a lot of people in the '60s who thought the world was ending when black kids were finally permitted to learn in schools next to their lily white children.

Tumblr is pushing for Gender Fluid to be an idea where peoples Gender changes based on various factors such a the time of day or the weather.
As for Employers.

Well South park kind of pointing out a sort of issue with lets say qualities for the job.

 

[Worgen]

Which Gender will be applied though? The one on legal documents or the self identified one?

Certainly legal documents, but probably also self identified also based on the harassment.

Idiots seem to assume that just by accidently misgendering someone they would be sued to destitute but that is a bold faced lie, its like saying that because we have castle doctrine we can legally shoot cops who step foot on our front lawn.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Certainly legal documents, but probably also self identified also based on the harassment.

Idiots seem to assume that just by accidently misgendering someone they would be sued to destitute but that is a bold faced lie, its like saying that because we have castle doctrine we can legally shoot cops who step foot on our front lawn.

Sued and destitute? No.

Facing a pain in the arse legal trial? Yes

Some people are malicious and the first failure would be all they'd need to kick off.

People Yaniv took to court for refusing to wax her balls basically had to stop operating their business for up to a year or more and they got $2,000 compensation / damages. That's it. That's before the new law came in. That's with Yaniv on paper at the time and in legal documents still being classed as male.

What Yaniv has been doing a lot of offering to settle cases to get easy money knowing it's easier for them to pay out than win the case but lose potentially more in the long run due to not being able to carry on life as normal.

 

[Thaluikhain]

You cannot have any sort of public guidelines involving speech, or harassment, when the people likely to label you for that harassment can move the line of what is considered harassment on a whim based on their own fantasy.

True. But trans people (like most minority groups) don't have the power to do that. The law is going to err on the side of not actually protecting minorities from harassment. Yay kyriarchy (and I spelt that right the first time).

Every time, every single time that some minority group gets some legal protection or right, people panic, and they they stop panicking until the next time. This is going to be no different. You're not going to be imprisoned by the thought police for accidently misgendering Elliott (which is a good thing because I've nearly done that at least once three times while writing this), or getting his sexuality wrong. If someone shows that they aren't making a good faith attempt at trying, other people might feel worse of them, however, but that's not at all the same thing.

Now, at some point there might be new laws put in about trans issues, but, c'mon, those laws are going to be written and enforced mostly by cishet white guys, like always.

 

[Worgen]

Sued and destitute? No.

Facing a pain in the arse legal trial? Yes

Some people are malicious and the first failure would be all they'd need to kick off.

People Yaniv took to court for refusing to wax her balls basically had to stop operating their business for up to a year or more and they got $2,000 compensation / damages. That's it. That's before the new law came in. That's with Yaniv on paper at the time and in legal documents still being classed as male.

What Yaniv has been doing a lot of offering to settle cases to get easy money knowing it's easier for them to pay out than win the case but lose potentially more in the long run due to not being able to carry on life as normal.

You can be sued for anything, I was sued when a motorcyclist ran into my car. The judge will probably throw the case out or she will lose and be forced to pay for it, which sucks but welcome to how the legal system works. If you want to get really annoyed read up on slap suits. Actually, here.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

You can be sued for anything, I was sued when a motorcyclist ran into my car. The judge will probably throw the case out or she will lose and be forced to pay for it, which sucks but welcome to how the legal system works. If you want to get really annoyed read up on slap suits. Actually, here.

Difference is in Canada they have a human rights tribunal that it has to go through.

There's another Yaniv case where Yaniv is accusing a reporter of taking photos of her in the bathroom of a court house. No photos exist, no-one other than Yaniv is saying such photos exist but it's still going through the human rights courts.

The only thing stopping even more cases is Yaniv has failed to pay after losing the waxing case so far.

In human rights cases they either need a settlement or a full ruling which is used or future law cases as such so there's plenty of room for abuse there.

 

[Worgen]

Difference is in Canada they have a human rights tribunal that it has to go through.

There's another Yaniv case where Yaniv is accusing a reporter of taking photos of her in the bathroom of a court house. No photos exist, no-one other than Yaniv is saying such photos exist but it's still going through the human rights courts.

The only thing stopping even more cases is Yaniv has failed to pay after losing the waxing case so far.

In human rights cases they either need a settlement or a full ruling which is used or future law cases as such so there's plenty of room for abuse there.

Yes yes, congratulations you have found a single litigious crazy person. We have plenty here, in fact our lame duck president is currently involved in many cases with no merit. You can sue for anything.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Yes yes, congratulations you have found a single litigious crazy person. We have plenty here, in fact our lame duck president is currently involved in many cases with no merit. You can sue for anything.

There's plenty of litigious crazy people out there. Thing is in Canada and other countries there is no real Anti-slapp protections as such when human rights claims are being brought up.

 

[Worgen]

There's plenty of litigious crazy people out there. Thing is in Canada and other countries there is no real Anti-slapp protections as such when human rights claims are being brought up.

Then they should probably add those.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Then they should probably add those.

Except the problem being often in other countries lawsuits work a little differently to the USA where in the USA you have to prove harm, which as I'm pretty sure I discussed in a different thread with you is hugely open to abuse as is as proving harm isn't as easy as it sounds.

 

[Worgen]

Except the problem being often in other countries lawsuits work a little differently to the USA where in the USA you have to prove harm, which as I'm pretty sure I discussed in a different thread with you is hugely open to abuse as is as proving harm isn't as easy as it sounds.

Then they should have thought about possible abuses when they were coming up with their legal system.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Patent trolls exist, therefore nobody should get intellectual property protections, it's really simple

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Then they should have thought about possible abuses when they were coming up with their legal system.

Because they hoped people wouldn't abuse the system like some have decided to and hen it was conceived they probably didn't think it would end up being used as it is.

Patent trolls exist, therefore nobody should get intellectual property protections, it's really simple

People have been pushing for IP reform for years saying the present laws aren't fit for purpose as is lol

 

[Casual Shinji]

Now he can join the prestigious ranks of other Elliots, like Elliott Gould and Sam Elliott.

And yes, Prince was sexy.