How is any of this unique or particular to this topic, rather than litigation in general?
Do you just want to make litigation harder to bring against companies in the first place, across the board?
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Do you just want to make litigation harder to bring against companies in the first place, across the board?
So because a singular person is being a asshole, the specific vector she's using to be an asshole should be prohibited to literally everybody?
Does this apply to literally other avenue that allows people to be an asshole? Patent laws? Social Media? Trademark and Copyright? Contracts?
So because a single person is being an asshole and has harmed 9+ women so far. It's good reason to spend a few more months making a law better. Or do you just want it now Mr Salt?
I'd rather see litigation being brought into the realms of sense now seeming more and more like a Lenny Henry Sketch every day.
I'm split on this.
90% of me just does not give one solitary fuck. I had a close personal friend out themselves as trans a few months ago, and instead of make a giant deal out of it I just said, "okay, cool, let's game" and went on with my fucking evening. Had a private conversation with them later to make sure they were seeing a therapist and good endocrinologist because I understand the risks and hazards of transition, and they are, but other than a name as far as I'm concerned, not one goddamn thing was really different.
I despise performative bullshit, and if I just don't care about gender enough to put on a broadway show for one of my real life best friends, I sure as shit aren't doing it for some Hollywood person I've never met and never will meet.
I'm about 5% watching trans rights "activists" ree and squee, and try to pretend years' worth of endemic erasure of the existence of trans men didn't actually happen and rights issues unique to trans men still don't exist. Which is a huge chunk of why I'm not fond of trans rights "activists".
I figure another 4% is laughing my ass off watching third-wave radfems once again prove they're unequivocal trash, dropping dumbass takes about it and/or spewing more TERF garbage.
1% of me is clicking on Page's IMDb profile, because these Hollywood types practically never just say this stuff regardless of actual identity status or the general state of LGBTQ rights at any given time, and rather wait until PR-appropriate times to strategically deploy public outings. And Page in particular has proven noteworthy for it, having come out as (then?) lesbian right at the height of Days of Future Past's pre-premiere PR blitz.
90% of me just does not give one solitary fuck. I had a close personal friend out themselves as trans a few months ago, and instead of make a giant deal out of it I just said, "okay, cool, let's game" and went on with my fucking evening. Had a private conversation with them later to make sure they were seeing a therapist and good endocrinologist because I understand the risks and hazards of transition, and they are, but other than a name as far as I'm concerned, not one goddamn thing was really different.
I despise performative bullshit, and if I just don't care about gender enough to put on a broadway show for one of my real life best friends, I sure as shit aren't doing it for some Hollywood person I've never met and never will meet.
I'm about 5% watching trans rights "activists" ree and squee, and try to pretend years' worth of endemic erasure of the existence of trans men didn't actually happen and rights issues unique to trans men still don't exist. Which is a huge chunk of why I'm not fond of trans rights "activists".
I figure another 4% is laughing my ass off watching third-wave radfems once again prove they're unequivocal trash, dropping dumbass takes about it and/or spewing more TERF garbage.
1% of me is clicking on Page's IMDb profile, because these Hollywood types practically never just say this stuff regardless of actual identity status or the general state of LGBTQ rights at any given time, and rather wait until PR-appropriate times to strategically deploy public outings. And Page in particular has proven noteworthy for it, having come out as (then?) lesbian right at the height of Days of Future Past's pre-premiere PR blitz.
Can you elaborate please? I don't mean that argumentatively, I legitimately don't know what you're referring to
Well, between trans men and women, whose hormone treatments are schedule 3 controlled substances? And approximately how many fucks are given about that, especially in light of this ongoing "trans athlete" stuff, especially when professional athletics are why those hormones are controlled substances in the first place?
For starters.
In Elliot's case, I can completely understand his then-hesitation to come out as gay publicly, after he had to deal with Brett Ratner outing him on the set of X-Men: The Last Stand to his co-workers.
Since we're telling stories...
I was once part of a interview with an applicant. Let's call him Bob. Alice showed up to work the next week, and I thought she looked kind of familiar, but thought nothing of it, since multiple candidates were being interviewed. Turns out, Bob came out as Alice between the time of the interview and her first day. When she told me that, I said "oh neat, I had no idea!"
After a few months of working, she either quit or got fired, moved away, and killed herself.
Then we hired another Trans person for the same position.
Then we hired another Trans person for the same position.
And that's just one specific example, I'm 100% sure Page has experienced (and/or was worried about) a lot more that just doesn't get mentioned much because it's not unusual.
Oh they're bad too a lot of the time but their use is meant to be to stop the spread of hard from false accusations proven false.
Ah yes, more than a decade after the incident allegedly happened, a neat three and a half years after Page came out of the closet during the X-Men PR blitz. How convenient it was, that just so happened to come to light after Page vehicle Flatliners...well, flatlined critically and in the box office...and right as Page was announced as starring in Umbrella Academy. Right at the height of that whole "me too" business, when the industry was working overtime to do damage control and co-opt the movement to prevent further harm to directors and producers. Only thing missing from that picture-perfect image, was Page isn't CAA talent despite having gone whole hog on the "Time's Up" organization, a group now well understood to be of, by, and for Weinstein's procurers and behind-the-scenes damage controllers for the sake of naked self-preservation.
Page can be whoever, and fuck whomever, they so desire. But, I won't overlook the downright uncanny overlap of their public sexuality and gender announcements, with the ebbs and flows of their career, like so many other contemporary Hollywood figures. Not because I have a problem with gender, sexuality, or trans identity, but because I have a problem with celebrity and public relations. Just so we're beyond effing crystal clear on that point.
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Can't say that you're wrong about Elliot Page in general, not a career I've followed closely.
However, not reporting an incident right away is not at all suspicious (especially when it was corroborated by co-workers). Waiting until society started caring about the problem is not at all suspicious. The usual suspects like making a big deal of that sort of thing and it needs to be discouraged.
Of course, if it just so happens that these revelations were made at the perfect time to help Page's career (which you've said they were, and I've no reason to think you're not being truthful), that's another issue.
Androgens were not designated specially-controlled substances because of professional athletes. Additional protections were because of widespread abuse by the general public - chiefly anyone wanted to bulk up (usually bodybuilders) through short-cuts, and any drug prone to abuse tends to get listed. Contast with salbutamol (/albuterol) which is heavily restricted for professional athletes, but as it poses no significant abuse risk for the general public is just a regular prescription medicine.
Interesting then, the first wave of restrictions on androgens only started to hit the books after the '88 Olympics doping scandal and not prior despite their known abuse by "the general public", and moreover, dare we ask why their use was so common among non-professional athletes, particularly high school athletes in the pursuit of an athletics scholarship, or college athletes in pursuit of going professional or keeping their scholarships. Or for that matter, which industries relevant to this conversation (still) perpetuate traditionally-masculine images and body expectations which convince men to resort to substance abuse to conform.
I've always got the impression that his career is a side concern that supports activism (regarding LGBT and indigenous peoples), but I don't have a TV so I only see what goes online (that is, more or less his own curated content).
Well, nowdays, perhaps, after doing big stuff like the X-Men films and Inception and getting established.
As to why he did The Cured, I'm not sure. It wasn't a bad low budget Irish zombie film nobody cares about, but it is a low budget Irish zombie film nobody cares about, starring nobody you've likely heard of (assuming you're not Irish) and Elliott Page, who is famous.
I get doing low budget indie LGBT stuff (cause, obviously), but Page probably doesn't have a personal connection to a character who's husband was eaten by a zombie
who turns out to be the husband's brother. Would probably have made headlines at least for a bit if zombies ate Emma Portner.
(The Cured starts off not bad, and ends up still not bad, but not by much of a margin. Might recommend, bleak though and lots of stuff don't make sense unless you pretend they are going for a set of Stupid Irish jokes)