Gal Gun Remaster canned for the XBOX One, still coming to Steam and Switch

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In the eyes of the law, a person under the age of 18 qualifies as a child and it is an offense to produce material of them that is sexual in nature in most countries. That's likely to be a barrier to the game being released unchanged in a lot of places.
This raises an interesting question since this is drawn. Does a cartoon count as a child? If the voice actor is over 35 and the character has been around for over 20 years and the character is written like an adult but supposed to be like 14, can it really be a child or is it someone pretending to be a child. Like when an adult wears one of those weird sexy school girl outfits, is she now a child because shes wearing something associated with children?
 

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This raises an interesting question since this is drawn. Does a cartoon count as a child? If the voice actor is over 35 and the character has been around for over 20 years and the character is written like an adult but supposed to be like 14, can it really be a child or is it someone pretending to be a child. Like when an adult wears one of those weird sexy school girl outfits, is she now a child because shes wearing something associated with children?
Even if you say that it's a child because in the story they're 14 and how they act or look doesn't matter, you then leave yourself open to the 900 year old vampire lolita, who looks like a kid but is actually fine based on this standard.

But then you have others claiming that that, too, is no good because now suddenly it's about what they look like and not their in-story age.


I think worrying about this stuff is kinda nonsense lol.
 

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This raises an interesting question since this is drawn. Does a cartoon count as a child? If the voice actor is over 35 and the character has been around for over 20 years and the character is written like an adult but supposed to be like 14, can it really be a child or is it someone pretending to be a child. Like when an adult wears one of those weird sexy school girl outfits, is she now a child because shes wearing something associated with children?
Under Australian law, yes, a cartoon of a child is treated as one. There was a case about....ten years ago, maybe more, that set that in stone when some dipshit was busted with porn of Bart and Lisa Simpson. And of course recently basically everything on J-List was added to the prohibited imports list.
 

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Under Australian law, yes, a cartoon of a child is treated as one. There was a case about....ten years ago, maybe more, that set that in stone when some dipshit was busted with porn of Bart and Lisa Simpson. And of course recently basically everything on J-List was added to the prohibited imports list.
From my understanding, Australia is using some weird obscenity wording, and isn't singling out the age of their characters in their most recent shenanigans.


But I mean, this is the country that had some politician make a speech about No Game No Life and made it sound like it's porn, when it's about gaming, so I don't expect them to know anything about what they're saying. It's generic moralistic nonsense lol.


" Publications, films, computer games and any other goods that describe, depict, express or otherwise deal with matters of sex, … in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults are not allowed. "


Yeah....let us ban art because propriety is at stake! What will we do without decency!? Why I nevah.
 

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From my understanding, Australia is using some weird obscenity wording, and isn't singling out the age of their characters in their most recent shenanigans.


But I mean, this is the country that had some politician make a speech about No Game No Life and made it sound like it's porn, when it's about gaming, so I don't expect them to know anything about what they're saying. It's generic moralistic nonsense lol.


" Publications, films, computer games and any other goods that describe, depict, express or otherwise deal with matters of sex, … in such a way that they offend against the standards of morality, decency and propriety generally accepted by reasonable adults are not allowed. "


Yeah....let us ban art because propriety is at stake! What will we do without decency!? Why I nevah.
The law is the law chum, and Australian law can be super weird. Like our rating system for entertainment is broader than the US but the metrics for it are stricter.
 

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The law is the law chum, and Australian law can be super weird. Like our rating system for entertainment is broader than the US but the metrics for it are stricter.
That's fine and all but my point is in the context of the age of the chars bringing up a generic anti-weirdness/fun law isn't a valid argument. This law could apply to grandmothers getting a bit too frisky with an octopus like in that old painting of the fisherman's wife.
 

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That's fine and all but my point is in the context of the age of the chars bringing up a generic anti-weirdness/fun law isn't a valid argument. This law could apply to grandmothers getting a bit too frisky with an octopus like in that old painting of the fisherman's wife.
Its entirely possible this stupid game will get rated and released here - we're also weirdly inconsistent - and if it does, fine, Aussie gamers can indulge themselves.
 

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Its entirely possible this stupid game will get rated and released here - we're also weirdly inconsistent - and if it does, fine, Aussie gamers can indulge themselves.
The considerably raunchier sequel is already out there anyways. But yeah I wouldn't put it past them banning the prequel, just out of pure weirdness lol.
 

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Even if you say that it's a child because in the story they're 14 and how they act or look doesn't matter, you then leave yourself open to the 900 year old vampire lolita, who looks like a kid but is actually fine based on this standard.

But then you have others claiming that that, too, is no good because now suddenly it's about what they look like and not their in-story age.


I think worrying about this stuff is kinda nonsense lol.
The really interesting thing about the '900 year old dragon' is that it forces us to define what makes a child, which is actually much harder then you would think. Thats why we just do statutory laws. The legal system admitted it was complicated basically said "fuck it, 18 and your good." Of course that is ignoring the weird different age of consents for states but that just complicates this matter so lets stick with federal.

Under Australian law, yes, a cartoon of a child is treated as one. There was a case about....ten years ago, maybe more, that set that in stone when some dipshit was busted with porn of Bart and Lisa Simpson. And of course recently basically everything on J-List was added to the prohibited imports list.
I think something like that happened here in the states also, some guy with a ton of loli manga was arrested. I have no idea what happened with that and I'm not sure I want it on my search history so I'll let you look it up if your interested enough.
 

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The really interesting thing about the '900 year old dragon' is that it forces us to define what makes a child, which is actually much harder then you would think. Thats why we just do statutory laws. The legal system admitted it was complicated basically said "fuck it, 18 and your good." Of course that is ignoring the weird different age of consents for states but that just complicates this matter so lets stick with federal.

I think the idea is that mental maturity is what matters, and when someone is being taken advantage of it's not good, that's the spirit with consent laws, it's about the capacity to give consent, not about how tall or booby you are.

But that's only about in-story stuff. In real life, a drawing is not a person, it's a drawing, all of its aspects are equally arbitrary, this includes the appearance and the age in the lore. They could shift on the fly. Someone legit can write a twist where this 28 year old-looking person is actually a 3 year old which has sped up aging genes like the clones in metal gear and implanted memories that makes them behave like a 28 year old while being 3 years old, and suddenly you'd have to be a criminal or a creep for finding them attractive before this twist was known (they still were 3, you just didn't know it yet) if we are to treat them like people and not like drawings.

This is not a tenable situation lol.
 

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See, that's you being slippery again. Gal-gun is about a guy being shot with cupid arrows and having a comedic experience of blasting away girls trying to confess their love to him, not about sexualizing children, it just has 16-18 year old girls in sexual situations while being what it is.
...yes, it has 16-18 year old girls in sexual situations. That the player puts them in by shooting them with pheromones until they moan suggestively and lose motor control. As the core gameplay mechanic, main comedic element, and with both in game items and absurdly expensive DLC to look at their underwear while doing so.

You don't actually expect people to buy this argument, right?
There's no way to prove either thing as being factually something that doesn't sexualize children, so either we adopt a principled stance for freedom of the arts and base our allowing or disallowing of things on the actual principle, or we allow every conspiracy theorist, theocrat or politically motivated grifter the run of the place. I do not care for the latter, personally.
Neat. Or we can use our mighty developed ape brains because the world isn't a two-option system and has some nuance.
In this case: because nobody is banning the damned thing. The platform is declining to sell a product due to as yet unknown issues. Or do you just as strenuously object to Sony pulling CP2077 from its storefront?
The original xbox version came out first so it wasn't censored, the ps3 version was just released with extra content cause it came later. And hey it's better to get the game in some form than to not release it at all.
No, they patched out being able to drop the camera below the skirt's hemline in Doki Doki mode in the original release specifically because Xbox requested/demanded it. In Japan.
This could very well be *literally the same issue* with a different outcome because the original publisher went bankrupt and Pqube has broader distribution methods.
 
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I think the idea is that mental maturity is what matters, and when someone is being taken advantage of it's not good, that's the spirit with consent laws, it's about the capacity to give consent, not about how tall or booby you are.

But that's only about in-story stuff. In real life, a drawing is not a person, it's a drawing, all of its aspects are equally arbitrary, this includes the appearance and the age in the lore. They could shift on the fly. Someone legit can write a twist where this 28 year old-looking person is actually a 3 year old which has sped up aging genes like the clones in metal gear and implanted memories that makes them behave like a 28 year old while being 3 years old, and suddenly you'd have to be a criminal or a creep for finding them attractive before this twist was known (they still were 3, you just didn't know it yet) if we are to treat them like people and not like drawings.

This is not a tenable situation lol.
Exactly and the idea is that at 18 someone should have enough mental maturity for whatever. Personally I would argue it probably shouldn't be till like 24, but thats not here nor there.

Yeah, when you get into the drawing aspect that just ends up with many silly things, like what if its a drawing of a "40" year old, but it was only just drawn, maybe it should be the age of the drawing that matters.
 

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The irony of this is people like Jed Whittaker and Michel Fahey fits that description what with Fahey's Etna tattoo while complaining about the sexualized content in Our World Has Ended, and my aminosity doesn't just with Gal Gun but also similar games localized during the time when Yakuza wasn't.
Um Jed's gay...........
 

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The problem with banning this game is that it gives it more exposure to people. You let it on your platform, and it dies with only a few tasteless weirdos and perverts buying it. I mean as someone would be the target market for these types of games the problem with it is that it's no Black Desert in terms of customization, and the gameplay sucks.

Now more people will buy it on Steam, and the Switch.
 
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The problem with banning this game is that it gives it more exposure to people. You let it on your platform, and it dies with only a few tasteless weirdos and perverts buying it. I mean as someone would be the target market for these types of games the problem with it is that it's no Black Desert in terms of customization, and the gameplay sucks.

Now more people will buy it on Steam, and the Switch.
*Looks at Uppers in steam spy*

Yep I am sure it got additional sales to stick it to those god awful Californian puritans bent on making us woke and hate all things sexual...oh wait...
 

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The problem with banning this game is that it gives it more exposure to people. You let it on your platform, and it dies with only a few tasteless weirdos and perverts buying it. I mean as someone would be the target market for these types of games the problem with it is that it's no Black Desert in terms of customization, and the gameplay sucks.

Now more people will buy it on Steam, and the Switch.
I'm absolutely certain Xbox ran those numbers and is fine with the game being sold on not-their-hardware.

This is a branding decision about the Xbox platform, not some anti-porn crusade.
 
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I'm absolutely certain Xbox ran those numbers and is fine with the game being sold on not-their-hardware.

This is a branding decision about the Xbox platform, not some anti-porn crusade.
Yes cause MS is known for making wise decisions on which games to release and which ones not to release.

*Scalebound flashbacks intensify*
 

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Yes cause MS is known for making wise decisions on which games to release and which ones not to release.

*Scalebound flashbacks intensify*
I mean, I think they are actually pretty good at it, with the notable exception of scalebound, but we can't say for certain if it would have been great or not anyway. MS certainly seems to have a better track record then most publishers like the activisions or EAs.