Yes, because Pedro's claim looks way more Nazi than Gina's claims
Legitimately... you think KIDS IN CONCENTRATION CAMP is somehow as bad as 'twitter hive mind'
Seriously. They aren't even close
Gina Carano Fired From “The Mandalorian” Over “Abhorrent” Social Media Posts
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Legitimately... you think KIDS IN CONCENTRATION CAMP is somehow as bad as 'twitter hive mind'
Seriously. They aren't even close
Are you saying that if Gina had made a better point, she could have kept her job?
Really? That's the line that was crossed? That's why it wasn't a problem when Pedro did it?
I'm picturing Mickey Mouse in his office, chair spun around facing the windows, with a cigar in his hand, talking to Pedro and Gina behind him:
"Now, you can compare the United States to Nazi Germany, but it better be a REALLY GOOD COMPARISON, because if you don't, *neck slicing gesture*, you get the ax, capisce?"
No, you are clearly just making stuff up. Come back when you have actual evidence to share.
Chris Pratt is a member of a church that believes in gay conversion, which would probably get him in hot water too if he kept tweeting about it. The difference is he doesn't. (Still, fuck Chris Pratt.)
I am curious whether this was a panic fire from Disney in light of... well, everything from the last month or so, or if Disney had already contacted Carano's management before telling them to have her reign in her bullshit and she just wouldn't resulting in this outcome.
You have photos right there for you.
Yes those cages WAY closer to be a Nazi than Gina claim
What even is this nonsense? Your saying criticism is the same as incarceration? What even is this?
I wonder how many of the people feigning outrage over Carano being fired for her tasteless Holocaust comparisons were also campaigning for James Gunn to be fired for criticising the American government.
This is unlikely a panic fire
In fact, this is the 3rd or 4th time Gina Carano has come under fire for her tweets.
Back in September she criticized social distancing restrictions (wearing masks) and supposedly insulted people who follow them. She drew a lot of ire from social media over this. Some say Disney was prepared to fire her for this, but John Favreau went to bat for her and convinced the Disney execs to give her another chance (I should note that this part is pure hearsay). She then either tweeted or retweeted election fraud conspiracies in November and drew the ire of social media again. I think she also tweeted support for the capital rioters in January, but I haven't actually confirmed this for myself.
So given her history, this was more likely the last straw and I'm pretty sure Disney gave her a warning, if not multiple ones, in the past.
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Didn't know that though given her past comments and where she probably falls on the political spectrum, I'm not surprised.
This was honestly the only side of her I was aware of until her firing. (Not that I'm really that familiar with her at all.) I didn't know she was also an anti-masker/vaccer, and election fraud weirdo.
Okay, i'm not gonna argue whether Disney's decision to let her go was just or not(i can see why they did it, but that's beside the point).
I think bullying her off twitter, like a normal person, would suffice.
I do want to discuss core of Carano's intent with that particular post of hers, though.
You can simply choose to stop support republicans, or Trump or bigoted policies etc. Not saying all of these things are the same(although, there's an overlap), but you can simply change.
The Jews in Nazi Germany never had that choice.
This is why her comparison is ridiculed. It's less her making any valid point and just another example of some people on the right inflating things, so they could be perceived as opressed. "Because, sure minorities have it tough(have they though?), but what about MEEEEE?"
I think bullying her off twitter, like a normal person, would suffice.
I do want to discuss core of Carano's intent with that particular post of hers, though.
No she isn't.
You can simply choose to stop support republicans, or Trump or bigoted policies etc. Not saying all of these things are the same(although, there's an overlap), but you can simply change.
The Jews in Nazi Germany never had that choice.
This is why her comparison is ridiculed. It's less her making any valid point and just another example of some people on the right inflating things, so they could be perceived as opressed. "Because, sure minorities have it tough(have they though?), but what about MEEEEE?"
Well I'd argue that disliking someone because of their race is different from disliking someone for their political opinion.
While the statement about about how the Nazi's cultivated hatred is true, the problems is that all her other tweets over the past 6 months don't put this tweet in a good light.
The general perception throughout social media is that she's implying that Republicans and right wingers are on the verge of becoming the Jews of Nazi Germany and that the left wing/ democrats are the new Nazis. This message seems to be pointed solely at the Left as if the Right has done nothing wrong. It also doesn't help that her tweets indicate she supports election fraud conspiracies and the capital riots. Overall, she doesn't really come off as someone calling for love and understanding between the left and right.
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Honestly wasn't trying to, because my point had nothing to do with either. She wasn't censored, she had and still has all the freedom to say what she wants. And that doesn't remove my or anyone else's right to respond to what she has to say. If that response is a "boycott Mandalorian" movement... do they not have the right to organize that movement? Regardless of whether they should or not, they do have that right. If that becomes a problem for Disney, they can fire her, or have the writers kill off her character, or cancel the whole damn show... its their show. And they have to live with the consequences of doing whatever they do to respond. Just like she has to live with the consequences of the response to her posts. Nobody is infringing on rights in any of this.
My point was about having a filter. Recognizing that, as @gorfias pointed out, she has a louder megaphone than most do. She may have felt that she needed to use that megaphone to broadcast a political point, but she also has to be aware of the consequences the statement has. She may be willing to accept the personal consequences (like getting fired) for what she believes in. And good for her for standing behind what she says if that's the case. But again my point... this isn't just about her. She and anyone in that kind of position should be aware of what the consequences could be for those around them. Her standing up for her beliefs is small comfort to the makeup lady, set dresser, or sound technician that could lose their job if the Mandalorian tanks. I'm not making the point that she CAN'T say what she said or think that way. That's the step toward censorship and restriction of political speech. I'm just pointing out that she maybe shouldn't have posted it. Maybe she should have chosen to remain silent. Or said the same thing in a different way (maybe without a holocaust reference.)
Cancel culture is people voting with their wallets. By posting on social. With letter campaigns, and fliers, and petitions. Its individuals exercising their free speech. Its publicly traded and privately owned businesses doing what they want with the products they produce in response. The backlash out there against cancel culture online is people using exactly those same tools to fight against cancel culture.
In an effort to cancel it I suppose. To silence the voices it contains. To censor and restrict that political speech. Someone once told me we should avoid that sort of thinking. And I agree.
I've posted at least once that in the private sector, selective enforcement can get a company in trouble. Pedro Pascal posted something far more objectionable than Gina's and he isn't fired. She may have wrongful termination rights here. I don't know as she may have had a simple contract Disney declines to renew. And her post was not tasteless. It was spot on. The Left is openly calling for attacks upon some 75 million nationalists who dare oppose them, doing so on TV, and more.
What appears to be happening is that the HWood has a very leftist culture. You have celebs taking a position all the time without repurcussion. As long as the position is leftist. I do think, given the backlash, Disney may reconsider it's position on Gina. We can hope.
We've had this discussion before, mostly with @SilentPony , that punishing people after the fact for their speech is censorship given the dictionary definition of the term. Gina may understand the "repercussions" of her speech. She may have wrongful termination rights at this point. I don't know. But what are our responsibilities given this outrage? At a minimum, it is to be vocal. To object if we care about free speech. We may get Disney to reverse it's decision on Gina and help change the culture to one that is more accepting of differing opinions.
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Snipped as something went wrong when I tried to quote. I started to like your post before you lost the plot. She's saying holocausts start with those in power making an enemy of portions of their population. And that is what the Left is doing today. And she is right.
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There's a fundamental misunderstanding in this thread that we're free, you see the truth is that Disney can fire Carano over that if they want to and it's perfectly justifiable to them and they owe us or her no more explanation other than that they think her public message was inappropriate, and they can do that, that's because, well we're not free, we work under them and we can only get away with as much as the bosses will allow, here we see where Disney draws the line in order to maintain their "family friendly" image, but that's it, you can claim censorship all you want but at the end of the day this is just a reminder that we are not free and we simply can't do as we please without expecting consequences.
That being said I didn't find the tweet to be tasteful but to me it was nothing more than dumb, but like I said my or your judgement is irrelevant, only the master's word counts for we are slaves after all.
That being said I didn't find the tweet to be tasteful but to me it was nothing more than dumb, but like I said my or your judgement is irrelevant, only the master's word counts for we are slaves after all.
She's Right, that's not remotely the same as being right. Boom tish.
Bit of a kerfuffle a little while ago, Elliott Page spoke out against him (and others). Mind you, Hillsong is popular amongst people who I'd expect to be better. And lots of people I'd not, of course.