15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It

[Aprilgold]

I have mixed emotions on this story.

Firstly i believe that the kid had a right to defend himself, every kid does, but was stabbing him 11 times necessary. I'm sure once would have been enough.

I can imagine adrenaline of just fear pumping through his body. I'm pretty sure soldiers have shot the enemy multiple times before they were sure he is dead. I feel bad replying since there are 13 pages of you possibly getting told that your a asshat when you aren't a asshat.

Second, why a knife, couldn't he have just battered him for a bit with a bat or something? It doesn't make sense why he would carry a knife as stab as many times as he did.

As someone who got bullied very heavily on a mental level, I almost wanted to shoot them with a concealed fire-arm such as a pistol. A knife could have caused as much damage as a bat. And, once again, going back to my side of it, carrying a knife for protection is safer then a bat because with a bat there is no way to hide it.

Should he get away with it? No, but he shouldn't be prosecuted as a murderer, maybe given a less harsh punishment. Seems only fair.
EDIT: whoa! My inbox got flooded with messages about the bat thing. It's just an example as to say "Why was he carrying a knife to begin with?"

I agree with the less of a harsh punishment, but since that would / may cause the possibility for him to lose jobs at a older age, then I see it as either no punishment or full punishment.

I think the killing is justified, because, seriously, bullying in any fashion leaves gaping mental scars, fucking giant ones. Being bullied makes your mind stop working in a fashion that it should. The only reason I think its justified is because after years of bullying myself, I would have done the same in his situation, the 11 stabs are overkill. But this will teach parents that bullying doesn't always end as playful joking.

Judge: Explain what happened, Jorge?
Jorge: I've never seen him before in my life.
Judge: Why did you kill this person, Jorge?
Jorge: I don't kill people, that is, that is my least favorite thing to do.
Judge: Tell me, Jorge, exactly what you were doing before this happened.
Jorge: I was in a bus.
Judge: Okay.
Jorge: I was sitting in my chair.
Judge: Yes.
Jorge: Reading a book.
Judge: Go on.
Jorge: And, well, this bully walked in.
Judge: Okay.
Jorge: So he went up to me.
Judge: Yes.
Jorge: And I stabbed him 11 times in the chest.
Judge: Jooooooooooooooorge, that kills people.
Jorge: Ow, ow, wow, I didn't know that.
Judge: Jorge, how could you not know that?
Jorge: Yeah, I am in the wrong here, I suck.

Did you read the article? Jorge tried to avoid getting beaten up by five kids, and even if those five weren't trying to hurt him, they damn felt good about making him think that they were. I mean hell man, five guys chasing you around while your trying to get away and you have a knife, hell, I'd stab them at least once because there are five of them wanting to hurt me, and I don't know when they will stop or even if they do.

Its just basic survival instinct "ME OGA BOOGA GOT SPEAR, AND TRIBE IS RAPING VILLAGE, ME STAB MAN TRYING TO KILL JANE, WHO IS WIFE!" 11 times can happen in a matter of seconds. With a gun as a solider, wouldn't you be trained to shoot till they stop movin'? It works with weapons such as knives too. Jorge went out of his way to avoid using the knife, and from adrenaline sake and the fact that he probably thought they would kill him, there would be no mental connection that their joking, none.

If your bullied for several years by the same five people you start fearing for your life, wouldn't you? You would be in fear of those five and you would do whatever it took to save yourself because society doesn't care, schools don't care, your parents will, but they can't protect you always, the law enforcement don't care and ETC. If your not going to protect yourself, who will?

 

[Lunar Templar]

Call me a "piece of work" or even cold-blooded knife-wielding psychopath, "i can live with some one i don't know and probably won't have any contact with again..." thinking things about me that arent true. AT least I am not defending somone that systematically abused people younger and weaker than him for sh*ts and giggles.

and you are also dense it seems.

at no point did i say he should not have defended him self. that's putting words I'm my mouth.
I take issue with how it was dealt with. 11 stab wounds is excessive, one would have been enough to stop some one bigger then some high school jock.

 

[Corporal Yakob]

As someone who has not been bullied by a gang of individuals to the point where having a knife as a last resort was a viable option, I must say that 11 stabbings seems excessive. But on the other hand the bully shouldn't have fucking bullied someone to that point!

 

[kgpspyguy]

Awesome...its a shame the bully died but he got what was coming to him the coward.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

To be honest, the kid kinda deserved it. It's survival of the fittest. That kid was weak, and he was victimized, so he adapted to the situation by arming himself with a lethal weapon and he eliminated the threat.

 

[FiveSpeedf150]

Kid gets off bus early to get away from a fight, bully follows him and punches him.

Good fucking riddance. We don't need people like that on the planet. This bully was intent on starting a fight (with gang in tow) and the victim wasn't having it. I love when scum bags get what is coming to them.

I was really happy to read your post, all the whiners taking the side of the bully were starting to make my head hurt.

As a general rule, if you're being an asshole and somebody walks away from you, you should not pursue them in order to continue your asshole-ery. This kid got off the bus early to try to avoid the bully, but the bully followed him. He played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.

As for the "11 Stabbings", only 2 were deemed fatal in the coroners report. This isn't Modern Warfare, people don't just die the second you wave a knife at them. Most likely the kid was flailing the knife around trying to get the other kid off of him.

I've never known any of the bullies from my middle school years to grow up and discover the cure for cancer of anything. I doubt humanity will really suffer for this loss.

TL;DR Don't follow kids off the bus to bully them and you probably won't get stabbed by them.

 

[Stublore]

Third, the kid was purposely trying to kill the bully. Even if he was being attacked, he knew he had a weapon and could respond at any time and he knew his opponent did not. If he wanted to get the bully to stop a gash on a hand, arm, leg, or non lethal cut would have been sufficient, but he focused on the chest to do massive damage he nicked the other kids heart which you cannot do unless your specifically going for a kill shot.

So I call bullshit. For one the judge seemingly likely had their own bias, and secondly minors are not typically held to the same laws that adults are, so trying to apply the stand your ground ruling to a minor is completely inappropriate, especially considering the kid was bullied, he wasnt in life or death danger, and during the fight it doesnt stand because he was armed and his opponent was not and if he tried to avoid the fight he knew that before the first slash.

EDIT:

Spoiler: You can even see the mental instability in the kids eyes

A kill shot??
Wtf do you think this was Call of Duty?
How hard is it to cut someone on the arm or hand?
I think it's easier to hit something like the torso.
IF all the stabs were clustered around the area of the heart, which we do not know, you may have a shred of a point. As no mention was made of this in any of the articles, I think it's safer to assume the kid just stabbed the biggest target area, the torso. One of those stabs nicked the heart, so where do you get this kill shot bullshit from?
I call bullshit on your post.

PS:
How nice that you can see mental instability in his eyes, are you a trained professional, or is this a gift you have had your whole life?

 

[Metazare]

11 stab wounds is excessive, one would have been enough to stop some one bigger then some high school jock.

A single stab wound to the chest or abdomen, likely would have only made this kid really mad, it's not something that's going to incapacitate someone instantly unless you hit a vital organ. He also was only using a pocket knife which is pretty small, not meant for stabbing.

 

[Aprilgold]

Call me a "piece of work" or even cold-blooded knife-wielding psychopath, "i can live with some one i don't know and probably won't have any contact with again..." thinking things about me that arent true. AT least I am not defending somone that systematically abused people younger and weaker than him for sh*ts and giggles.

and you are also dense it seems.

at no point did i say he should not have defended him self. that's putting words I'm my mouth.
I take issue with how it was dealt with. 11 stab wounds is excessive, one would have been enough to stop some one bigger then some high school jock.

You keep hitting them until they stop moving is the old rule of warfare and defending yourself, until they stop trying to get up, you don't stop doing what you are doing.

No, one stab is not enough to drop a dude or to get them to run, for all he knew it could have just pissed him off and he would use the knife on the person who brought it.

With a gun, you do not stop shooting until they stop moving, with a knife its the same rule. If your fighting for your life, and you have to defend yourself, then you better not stop doing it, unless you want death.

 

[karloss01]

11 times is a bit much, but it seems the bully was asking for it. exspecially if he warned the kid was armed (if i read the article correctly). hopefully the kid doesn't get harassed, as it could be easily done again.

 

[TheOneBearded]

HA! America! Kiddies are now stabbing each other before school. With no adult fucking supervision to stop them? What the fuck?

Yup, we are only a few steps away from becoming a lawless wasteland like Australia in The Road Warrior.

 

[lewwatt]

Good fucking riddance. We don't need people like that on the planet. This bully was intent on starting a fight (with gang in tow) and the victim wasn't having it. I love when scum bags get what is coming to them.

Yeah we don't need people like that but who is to blame for his behaviour and culture? You have no idea what his life has been like so I wouldn't be so quick to take a David Cameron (also a scumbag) approach to this.

 

[Hazy]

I've never been bullied, and whenever I read about cases like this, it makes me all the more thankful for that fact.

All I can say is this: I hope bullying a kid two years younger than you with 5 of your friends was worth getting stabbed to death over. You pick a fight with somebody, you always run the chances of being severely hurt and/or killed.

 

[LittleJoeRambler]

I'd be willing to bet that the knife was supposed to be little more than a show of force, to make the bully back off before the fight started. Getting punched in the back of the head probably threw that plan right out the window. I'd also be willing to bet that stabbing someone 12 times takes significantly less than 10 seconds; the time frame during which Nuno got stabbed was likely very small, too small for anyone to intervene or possibly even realize what was happening until it was too late.

I've been bullied by people way smaller than me, who did it just for sport. I went through the right channels, told parents and teachers, and jack shit happened. It ended when I shoved the ring-leader and reminded him that I was much larger than he was. Afterwards, none of his friends picked on me either. Force is usually the only thing that bullies understand; they don't fear authority or detention or whatever (or else they wouldn't be bullying people), they fear getting their asses kicked and their reputations as badasses ruined.

 

[Sentox6]

Yeah, I was tired and got mad as shit at the fact that the government let this guy get away, but this kid premeditated stabbing the guy.

Yes, the kid who repeatedly tried to disengage from the confrontation obviously premeditated murder.

I think you need to realise that both legally and practically, there's a big difference between planning to murder someone with a knife and thinking about using a knife in a last-ditch attempt at self defence.

This judge is fucking awful. Bullying is a common thing, you could even say it's just a part of school, a part of growing up, it's that common. Murder is a fucking crime and in self defence or not bullying is no excuse to take someones life.

You're the awful one here. Bullying is a part of growing up? The victim should just suck it up, I suppose, and let himself be repeated assaulted, physically and emotionally. No on ever develops any sort of mental issues from these things, anyway. He'll be fiiiine. As for getting punched in the back of the head, well, that never hurt anyone either, I'm sure.

He took a knife. The bullies forced him to use it. The rest is irrelevant. If someone violently attacks you and in the heat of the moment you stab him repeatedly, that does not make you a murderer. It makes you a scared human being with survival instincts.

Here's the genius part: if the bully hadn't repeatedly abused another human being, he'd still be alive! It's really quite simple. You don't accidentally bully people.

 

[Metazare]

Bullying is a part of life....? Alright, but now because of how bad it's gotten so are school shootings and stabbings because of it apparently. Yeah we should just let the kids duke it out, they'll be fine, won't they?

 

[AlexWinter]

I don't blame the kid.

He obviously didn't want to stab the guy and people will go over the top when in a position like that.

He's never stabbed anyone before, he probably doesn't know how serious the damage can be and it usually takes a few strikes to even realise what one's doing.

However, he should have gone through some kind of punishment otherwise he might end up killing himself over guilt.

 

[sir.rutthed]

Not self defense, as I doubt the guy was still standing and an active threat somewhere halfway. Neither do I subscribe to the silly American logic that you can just kill anyone who gets in your way. Besides, he brought along a knife with the explicit and only motive of committing murder upon that bully. It was pre-meditated.


But at the same time, some bullies do so much to their victims that psychologically, there is no way out except violence. Think of cases where a very abusive husband is killed by his wife because it was her only way out.
Judging by the amount of violence, gang-form and public accouncement the bullies made, this is a case where a gang of bullies goes very very far.

This is a typical case where you need a verdict of not guilty to manslaughter by reason of psychological trauma, but a sort of conviction for using a weapon.

Damn, US legal systems are so strange. If this was the Netherlands he'd been received a zero punishment verdict for manslaughter, and a conviction for illegal possession of a weapon. That would likely be a few dozen hours of community service, or a suspended prison sentence.

I carry a pocket knife around with me every day. Pretty much everyone I know does. They're useful tools, and just like anything else are only a weapon if you use it as one. Just because the kid showed his knife to a few others doesn't mean it was premeditated. Hell, if I knew someone had it in for me I'd be extra sure to bring a knife along just because I'm physically weak. Self defense is not murder, and while he may have gone overboard with it, he was perfectly within his rights to protect himself against physical harm.

 

[Rift17]

I think him going to counseling is definitely going to happen whether its court mandated or not after a situation like this. Either at school or a professional elsewhere. Given how it all went down I actually support what he did, assholes can gtfo of this existence (you know he would have just became a drug mule anyway). That said, still feel for the kid who had to go through this.

 

[The Ambrosian]

I have mixed emotions on this story.

Firstly i believe that the kid had a right to defend himself, every kid does, but was stabbing him 11 times necessary. I'm sure once would have been enough.

Second, why a knife, couldn't he have just battered him for a bit with a bat or something? It doesn't make sense why he would carry a knife as stab as many times as he did.

Should he get away with it? No, but he shouldn't be prosecuted as a murderer, maybe given a less harsh punishment. Seems only fair.

Knives are usually easier to get a hold of and conceal. When people start harassing you it's hard to control you rage which is why I believe the guy ended up stabbing the bully 11 times. I agree with the judge's ruling by the way, he might have had a choice but honestly, prosecuting a teenager that is clearly mentally disturbed from years of being bullied on the counts of manslaughter is not the right thing to do.

This. People tend to bring up the number of times people are stabbed and I always think that you're not exactly under the best of control when you're in a big enough rage to attempt to murder someone. :/